New MOFI speaker (Andrew Jones)
Here is some info on the new MOFI/Jones speaker:
@roxy54 I've been staying away of late due to the declining civility here so I thankfully missed that one. I just peruse the threads, smile or shake my head, and move on as it can get too taxing trading barbs with ne'er-do-wells. I actually feel better doing so. All the best, |
@deep_333 What on earth does Mikey's experience with a dealer asking to sell his product and being nefarious about it have to do with a discussion about a speaker that audiopoint happens to sell? He was quite upfront about it all and merely offered advice. There was no hard sell going on. That's a hell of a lot of conflating and implying going on that simply doesn't apply. But, by all means, feel free to think whatever it is you want in this day and age and carry on with the trolling. Dissect this thread and link whatever you think is relevant to your hearts content so we can discount it and move on with our lives. All the best, |
@deep_333 What a weird and stupid thing to say. A couple of positive things some members say about something and you troll it as a conspiracy and possibly gay? You need to grow up some. This is not Reddit or YouTube, despite your efforts. @roxy54 I'd like to but he did need some dressing down. All the best, |
@thyname 👍😄👍
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@immatthewj I went with the Revival Audio Atalante 3 monitors (w/stands).
I don't see myself parting with them any time soon. 😄 All the best, |
@immatthewj , You're right....I didn't pull the trigger on this one. I opted for something smaller and more manageable and couldn't be happier. All the best, |
Not all speakers rated at 87db perform alike. My Atalante 3 monitors are 87 db and my JBL 4319 are 92db and when I listen to the Atalantes, the volume is turned up only 1 to 1.5db to get the same room filling sound. That's 3 steps on the volume setting if I need to go up 1.5db. Any decent amp will reach levels you wouldn't want to listen to. As for the bass, the JBLs are -6db @38Hz and the Atalantes are -3db @ 44Hz and it took all of 2 minutes to adjust to the sound of the bass. In fact, it's more tight and defined but not as overpowering. All the best, |
I think most people will find the 8" driver of the SP-8 to more than satisfy for their musical needs. I have a 7" driver in my two way Atalante 3 monitors and they are just a tad shy in the bass compared to my JBL 4319s with their 12" driver, but that's in my small-ish room. I get all the bass I need with that 7" driver. This is a smart move by Mofi in reducing the imposing size of the SP-10 to accommodate tastes and the old WAF. All the best, |
Here's the latest review from High Fidelity of the Sourcepoint 10 by Wojciech Pacula (who is a recording engineer as well as a reviewer). They gave it a Red Fingerprint Award. All the best,
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@jbhiller , I couldn't agree more with your take on this. The one time I met AJ he was gracious with his time and great to talk to. As for measurements, I'm of the same mind with you. As for what we could get 20 years ago, I feel it's no contest due to new tech, modeling and computer analysis that gives designers a leg up on what is possible. This truly is a great time to be in this hobby. All the best,
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If you buy the stands and speakers as a package, I believe they get discounted to around $299. Also, there's a thread over at ASR (I know, I know) from two members who're trying out a pair and they have a very positive take on them. Learning of the measurements later only confirmed their findings. They seem to be very finicky with placement. All the best, |
@prof Thanks for the followup. I and (I'm sure) others here would like to know how your second listening sessions goes as it will most likely have different gear and room boundaries to consider. What you said about positioning mirrors what Stever McCormack said: it's kind of chameleon like in how it can sound depending on how they're aimed. In the Steve Huff video review he wrote them off until he tried some different gear and then he heard what they're capable of, and kept them. I'm perfectly fine with their imposing looks as they're practically the same size as my JBL 4319 "monitors" and love the big, effortless sound they can put out, at most volumes. Sounds like I'm convincing myself, again. An old habit I'm very familiar with.😄 All the best, |
As if the A'gon world needs it, here's another video from Just Audio.
And they're using Wharfedale Litton speaker stands and they look perfectly fine on those 17 inch stands. All the best, |
@thyname , man, are you telling me! A friend messaged me with that video and got me all aflutter again. All the best, |
I believe the stands Mofi is going to use with the Sourcepoint 10 speakers are in this video: They look sturdy enough. And, thanks, @gb9746 for your honest first impressions. I thought I'd wait a bit but after reading you and your wife's take on them, I'm now leaning towards not waiting. 😄
All the best, |
This isn't the first, not will it be the last time that a product, independent of itself, fell prey to the collective id of the masses. It's not even been properly reviewed and tested and already there are camps deriding it and others praising it while the saner amongst us sit fast and patiently await its arrival. Such is the sad story of our times. We are of a Paleolithic mindset, set in a medieval culture and victim to god like technology that allows everyone to chime in at once. (like handing a loaded gun to a chimp) Fools think Elmo to be a genius when he said Vox Populi, Vox Dei, as if the voice of the people can speak as god if enough say so. But the original goes.... Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, Vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit. Which translates to...And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the voice of the people is the voice of God, since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. Such is the resultant hype and put downs of a product that no one has listened to yet. All the best, |
I can understand Jay's resentment over MoFi's vinyl controversy but to suggest Andrew Jones is working with them to salvage their credibility is quite a stretch and a bit slanderous. Unless AJ is lying, he was contracted to design the speaker well before the MoFI debacle. And, his spin on how the speakers are being sold can be said about most any audio product out there. It's a conspiracy! I'll just wait and be patient until I hear it for myself and not rely on what comes across as the mumblings of a real sourpuss, who devoted barely a couple of minutes on the sound of the speaker compared to his take on the company. All the best, |
Just came across this mini take on the Sourcepoint 10 and it's one of the most honest ones yet. Not close to perfect like a $25K speaker should be but... All the best, |
A look at the Sourcepoint 10 manual states the tweeter should be 33" off the floor.
Isn't it great how one can rationalize things in this hobby? 😄 All the best,
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As much as I want a pair, I'm not going to rush into this just yet. All talks have been preliminary as I'm still on the fence about posting them on USAudiomart. There just may be someone in LA who'd love a pair of JBL 4319 monitors and since it's free to post, I may take that route. Decisions, decisions..... All the best, |
Thanks for the positive feedback on Upscale Audio. I’ve bought all my stereo gear so far from Music Direct but with UA just an afternoon drive away, it made sense to check them out. In fact, I spoke to them yesterday about trade ins and got a nice ballpark quote that I’d still take a hit on but it would negate the hassle of posting ads for cash & carry only to bombarded with pleas to ship. They told me they’ve gotten lots of orders for the Sourcepoint 10 speakers already with two before I called and that they’re going to be hard to source after the first batch have sold. That didn’t help. 😄 All the best, |
No, more like North Hollywood but Upscale Audio is only open M-F and traffic has gotten really bad in this area. San Diego is about a three hour drive nowadays. I remember when I could drive to SD in just over an hour back in the '80s. In fact, the last time I drove to SD, I avoided the 5 fwy and took the 210 over to the 15 down to SD and it was faster than taking the more direct route on the 5. All the best, |
@jcoehler , I wish I was one of them telling you about it right now.😄 |
Just got off the phone with Music Direct and they had the pleasure of Andrew Jones demonstrating the Source Point 10 for their employees and that he was one of the most wonderful people they ever met. The rep I spoke with was in the same boat as I: he has Wharfedale Litton speakers stands (loves them as much as I do) and thought they could work but AJ said that despite the excellent off axis response, they'd still be too low at 17" in height. Turns out that 20" is what Mofi is going with and AJ said that is fine for the speakers. All the best, |
@jcoehler , That got my attention as well as 28" is quite high for a speaker of that size to rest at. My ears reside around 37". A halfway point of 11.25" from the base is where the center of the tweeter is so, theoretically I'd need a stand around the 25-26" height. If the off axis reach of the tweeter is good, I would think 22-24" would suffice and maybe even 20", if you slouch a bit. All the best, |
@thyname , I've never gone back and forth with such big swings as long as I can remember. Knowing myself.....🤔 All the best, |
@dayglow , I guess someone had better notify Tannoy, who's been having their top line cabinets made in China for more than a few decades now. |
So, are you implying that although the sound heard at audio shows is probably as great as they say but can't be replicated down the line like virtually every other speaker (or any type of audio gear) has since time immemorial because it's made in China (like a lot of audio gear)? Andrew Jones came clean at the very beginning of this as to why it's made in China and he's using the same facilities and contacts that've served him well for the last 20 years, ensuring quality. If it were made anywhere else the asking price would be around $8,000. Also, I don't know of anyone who's in any kind of business that isn't doing so for anything other than a profit. It's the nature of running a business. Nice detective work there, Marlowe. As for iPhone and computers being throw away items and not luxuries, you lost your argument right there and then and should have stated that at the beginning so no one would have wasted anymore time reading your mini rant. All the best,
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One big factor with this speaker was keeping the cost down by using AJ's connections that he's had for the last 20 years in China. One is used to the VAT over the pond but a dealer markup of almost $1000 is out of bounds. Here's another video from a Canadian dealer and their take on the Sourcepoint 10: All the best, |
@mofojo , Sorry to hear about your grandmother. She lived a long and full life. Why hide behind her as an excuse for being such a putz when you've been like this before, drinking or not? |
@juanmanuelfangioii , back to your old self with the same, tired comparison, eh? If you’ve read through this thread you’d see that I’m on the fence about this but not tolerant with the overboard criticisms from those who haven’t even heard them yet. As for the videos I’ve linked to, that’s for convenience’s sake for others here. You know, like people do for each other in a community. As for mofojo, he's a credit for whatever gene pool he crawled out of. To sound like he's half in the bag on Christmas Eve is sad. All the best, |
For once, someone didn't follow the "form over function" edict. Thank goodness AJ was given free rein, with sound being the main consideration, instead of looks. I also like his design criteria of being able to see into the recording as much as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if these come across somewhat like my old Tonian Labs TL-1s. They offered a ton of insight, had tone for days, and never gave me listening fatigue despite being so revealing. They only lacked for base and these Source Point 10s appear to have that part covered. All the best, |
They're just as tall as my JBL 4319s but a few inches wider and a few more even deeper so the Wharfedale Litton stands can easily handle them. Those stands come fully assembled and are sturdy as heck. As for the Music Direct catalog, I just went through it and there's also going to be a KLH model 7 (with a 13" woofer) and Wharfedale is also getting in on the retro act with their Dovetail (with a 10" Kevlar woofer). All the best, |
