New MOFI speaker (Andrew Jones)

Music Direct offers custom stands   The speakers are clearly a size that will work great for some but not others.  Like many speakers 

I got the impression Steve wasn’t that impressed with these. 

Again with the stands....

The Linton stands (which I have) will work perfectly with them. And if needed, a set of Iso Pucks would raise them 1.2" or something else as a footer. That would put the center of the Sourcepoint 10 just below the plane of my ears, 8' feet away. 

All the best,
Nonoise

I heard them today at CAF. They sounded like the real deal! One of just a few things I heard today that I would consider owning. Big clean sound. Sounded way better than many other much bigger and expensive setups in many rooms. The price surprised me pleasantly. 

@grislybutter thanks for the comparisons. I note that it is more akin to the JBL L100 Classic which is 15.38"W x 25.06"H x 14.63"D, and JBL of course offers their custom stands for $330. I too thought it almost comical looking on those Solidsteel SS-7 stands, like an accident waiting to happen. 

It will be interesting to see more of any custom stands that MoFi makes available for them and what they retail for...Not sure why Andrew was so vague in talking about that. 

They are not "bookshelf" speakers at all, but perhaps should be called "Stand Mount". 

The thing is, as good as they are, to get that lowest octave (if you want it) you'll still need a subwoofer. Guess some genres of music can get by fine without it. 

P.S. Why did you get rid of your Linton? Thanks. 

 

@moonwatcher If you watch (YouTube video) Steve Gutenberg (The Audiophiliac) he says stands are coming later for the MoFi Electronics SourcePoint 10. He said the Solid Steel Stands are temporary until the NEW stands for them come out. The size I don't think would bother me, personally, as long as, I like the sound quality. I have AJ's Elac Adante AS-61 stand mount speakers and they're not as big but close and they sound amazing so I'm really curious about this NEW design.

@travisg he seemed impressed. Perhaps he didn't want to come across as a "cheerleader" given his friendship with Andrew. Then again, he has been living with those "new reference" open baffle speakers for a bit now, and maybe he's finding it harder to get excited about a "box" speaker now. Of course, as he notes, those open baffle speakers he has sell for nearly double the cost of the Sourcepoint 10. 

To me the most obvious comparison would be with the JBL L100 Classic. They are very similarly sized, similar efficiency, similar power handling, similar frequency response, and now (thanks to the current sale price of the L100) similar in price. 

@pixhead yes, I saw that. Watched it twice to write down the albums he used for reference so I could check them out. The size doesn’t bother me, (I’m living with some vintage AR9 speakers) but it seems dumb that MoFi can spend whatever money they did (and Andrew’s salary) getting the tooling all done for custom drivers and cabinets over 18 months and yet can’t have some relatively low-tech welded steel stands ready to pair with them at launch.

I think for many the technical challenges Andrew accepted regarding lowering induced distortions goes above their heads. Most people don’t understand the physics of magnetic flux and current induced magnetic fields interacting. And since they can't "see" that they merely look and think, "Oh another box speaker, ho hum".

Seems that those on here who actually got to audition them were impressed. I wish MoFi good luck with them.

But I do wonder as someone did on another YouTube page about how long you think getting replacement parts or getting them repaired, we can expect? For roughly $4K after taxes, many people would want these to last 20 years or more.

Is MoFi big enough to ensure that supply lines to whatever factory they are using in the PRC will remain open? Will MoFi stock enough parts somewhere over here to ensure that longevity? IDK.
 

I think a lot of the fretting about the stands is much ado about nothing. Some here should write detective novels while spinning plots on places of origin.

And thanks, @mapman for the only honest feedback so far. 

All the best,
Nonoise

I don’t put much credence in Guttenberg’s reviews. I get much more out of his music references that he uses to review the speakers. Frankly, I trust @mapman impressions at CAF more than Guttenberg’s. When a guy like AJ puts that much time, thought, resources, and innovation into a design and is very proud of the result I’m inclined to think it sounds pretty damn good within its limitations. You can’t do a whole review of a speaker extolling it’s virtues and just throw in at the end that “oh, by the way, it sounds bright and revealing.”  To me, that wrecks the whole credibility of the review. Not that I trust his ears/judgement in the first place, so there’s that. Whatever. I’d be very interested in anyone else’s opinions who’ve heard these speakers.

Dare I say those new Mofi speakers could be giant killers. I really liked what I heard. I think they were running off a HiFi Rose Class D integrated amp and the pairing was spot on. Meaty yet articulate with good extension. I had my sound meter app with me today while visiting all the rooms and the measurements reflected what I heard. Clean articulate bass extended pretty well down there similar to other much larger and expensive speakers heard. Big boy dynamics well ahead of many others I heard with puny drivers and way bigger price tags.

I HEARD THEM AT CAF and it’s $3699 and nothing under 10 k can touch them and only a few speakers under 20k can beat them.

They are completely amazing and outstanding, and they were hooking it up to mid level HiFi rose. Imagine what they can do hooked up to some higher end dacs and amplification. They are resolving and neutral and won’t be forgiving for lower end electronics. Even though they are only $3699 you will need at least 10-15k in electronics behind it for them to be optimized. I would try to find a luxman class A 590AXII for it or an Esoteric integrated amp. Easy to drive but revealing and I am also thinking an upper level Naim Uniti Nova would work well not the wee atom or mid level star. I would also try a Naim supernaught 3 and a Belles Audio amp from power modules would be perfect too. DAC whatever flavor you want but for the money the $2800 Luxman DAC is amazing.

very interesting choice of electronics considering they had easy access to "much better" gear...

I love it that the hobby can still get excited when a cool new product can generate positive buzz. Thats good for all. I hope they sell well.

I do find it quite interesting that there have been several comments about the Hifi Rose gear potentially holding back the speakers or “mid-fi”. Te Rose has been a welcome entrant into it price band and seems to punch above its weight class.

In fact, I recently purchased the RS150b streaming dac for my office system, expecting middling sound quality and a user friendly interface. I was floored by the dac section and the completeness of the concept. I then dropped it into my main system and again, I was left scratching my head at how they did it for the $$$. Build quality os off the hook good. Is the RS150b going to replace my $30k-ish digital front end in that system? No…but it certainly sounds terrific in the context of my office system (Shindo/Devore). 

Its wonderful that a sub $4k speaker can serve as the foundation of a sub $10-15k system…that’s a win for everyone but don’t discount that, in fact, the Hifi Rose gear also belongs in the hi-end conversation.

We’ll they are pairing with gear the Mo-Fi distributes and they sell through Music Direct. Makes total sense from a business and marketing position. 

As a potential customer it’s great to know they’re confident they sound great with similar priced electronics

@moonwatcher 

re Lintons: they sounded bad with my system

At this show.  

 I HEARD THEM AT CAF and it’s $3699 and nothing under 10 k can touch them and only a few speakers under 20k can beat them.

’giant killer’

’at $3,699 msrp, nothing under 10k can touch them... few under 20k’

a-j is a very talented designer, no doubt this standmount sounds quite good

but fellas, can we not lose our heads and try keep the spin cycle in check? after a cursory listen at a show?

enthusiasm and passion in our hobby is very welcome, especially for well performing modestly priced products, but over the top, unrealistic touts deserve the eyerolls they undoubtedly will engender -- not being a kill-joy here, let’s please just keep it real, building a bridge too far serves no one...

for instance, off top of head example, you bring those, i bring a set of maggie 1.7i... we will see who be david and who goliath? you get my drift...

The amps they used delivered all the goods.  A perfectly fine choice IMHO. 

I would face them off against anything else I heard at the show in a similar size room ie modest size hotel room. Obviously the bigger products are needed for the larger ball and meeting rooms. The Atmasphere class d amps for less than 6k delivered some of the best sound in the show with the big Classic Audios in their ballroom home imho. This business about you gotta have way more expensive gear to get the best is nonsense at least these days. Maybe in the past where a show like this is still firmly rooted.

@nonoise totally. I do write detective novels.

@mapman @jerryg123 can you take and post pictures?

I’m sure these Andrew Jones designed speaks sound good.

But..., are they this moments Elac Adante?

Not too far back, this AD designed line was flavor of the moment, by reviewers and users. Then not too long after-price dump by retailers 50%.

Years ago, I attended AVS forum meeting at Pioneer HQ in Long Beach Cal, which AD hosted, and he promoted a Best Buy value level line that did sound great. The most impressive thing was hearing the TV soundbar while in Pioneer’s sound room. It was as convincing as a pair of audiophool speakers-admittedly embarrassing!

This was the same place that boxes of mega dollar TAD speakers are warehoused. There were staked rows of them.

A reminder also that a pro sound room make a HUGE impact on even cheap speakers.

If they follow history, I’ll grab a pair for $1500 in 3-5 years.

thanks @mapman ! if only they were ferns :)

I too heard then at CAF yesterday and was really impressed.  I prepare myself to be utterly disappointed by the latest hyped speaker but it was really good.  I'll reiterate what others have said - at $3.7k I have not heard anything at twice the price that would be real competition even in the compromised hotel room show setting.  The coherence and imaging were frankly spooky good and at this price point unheard of.  My wife wanted to take the speakers... and possibly Andrew home as he is a delight to speak with.  We have been looking for a logical replacement for our Reference 3A speakers in our downstairs den system and my wife most likely made that decision yesterday.

😁I’ll keep my Tannoy Legacy Eatons, now priced at 6k a pair....they sound lovely driven by my Class A Sugden.

My wife wanted to take the speakers... and possibly Andrew home as he is a delight to speak with.

Yup! I am not your wife (😂🤦‍♂️), but Mr. Jones sounded like a very nice and funny dude. He was in the room demoing the new speakers himself both times I went in that room today.

@jjss49   +1   Keep it real. There a $3699 speaker made in China with a high % of Chinese made parts.

It does appear from all the people posting over on SHF that the AJ Mofi's sounded really good at CAF....and no one thought they were too bright.

I like hearing how excited listeners were to hear them...I have no fears others will purchase them because a few stated how great they sounded at a show...

Didn't take long before the "made in China" nonsense started, didn't it? 

They were not bright.  

Many companies manufacture in China in plants that are owned, staffed, and all engineering quality measures are managed and controlled by the parent company.

Many companies contract manufacturers in China to build their product (bid) and this is where quality issues can arise. Unlike the Counterfeit thread where companies are operating on the outer fringes of ethics and compliance and the law (international or us)

The company I work for has plants in 56 countries including China. The engineering, manufacturing and quality processes are identical. You can take a component from our plant in Romania and mate it with a US or PRC components and there is complete interchangeability, as they are all made to the same specification in our global standard. As do most ISO and TUV compliant companies do.
 

Perceptions of consumers is that if it is made in China or India or Vietnam it should be cheaper. The reality is our manufacturing facilities we have built in these countries in the last 30 years are more state of the art than any of our US or Canadian facilities.

this was uploaded 4 hrs ago.     

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU67rJ33eZw

Sounds awesome through my shitty IPad mini speakers. LOL

The bottom line is Chinese made products are not on the same quality level as most European or USA/Canadian made audio products. Exceptions always exists but to defend PRC made products is ludicrous. Quad is the perfect example of this issue. I would consider a Quad 2812 but even with UK management/ factory QC problems still exist making the speaker a ticking time bomb. 

My Perlisten S7t were made in China, and they are competitive or better than any USA made loudspeaker, in my opinion.   And I have three pairs of those USA made ones.  So please, ease up baby.  

my Dynaudio speakers were made in China. Someone pointed it out here. I got so bummed I stopped listening to them.

My Perlisten S7t were made in China, and they are competitive or better than any USA made loudspeaker, in my opinion. And I have three pairs of those USA made ones. So please, ease up baby.

Yes. Outstanding speakers, Perlisten room was one of Capital Audio Fest highlights IMO. The Chinese background person in charge of Perlisten manufacturing, is also a partner, member of ownership group:

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If you’re going to do your own thing, you need to partner with a factory because you have limited resources.” He found his partner in the form of Peter Yang, an old friend who had opened a factory in Dongguan, a city in China’s Pearl River Delta. Crucially, and around the same time, Roemer created a company called D-Acoustic, which included several engineers who did electrical, software, transducer, FEA, and multiphysics work. These two factors allowed the idea of Perlisten to lay roots in April 2016, as Roemer and company were able to begin running their own projects in parallel with the consulting work they did through D-Acoustic that was paying everyone’s salaries. Roemer knew that in order to be taken seriously, he had to come to market fully baked, with proprietary differentiators, full infrastructure and support, and a complete product line that was available from the outset. It took several years of research and development before Perlisten’s creations were fully formed, but in 2020, early in the COVID-19 pandemic, Perlisten Audio went live with a five-SKU-deep S Series—in addition to a line of subwoofers—that, even two years later, looks deeply impressive. Recently, Perlisten formally announced their more affordable R Series.

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Source: https://www.soundstageultra.com/index.php/features-menu/in-good-company/1115-perlisten-audio-like-a-bolt-from-the-blue

excellent.  so lets drop the broad (and ugly) brushes

lets drop the broad (and ugly) brushes

I agree with you 100%.

IPhones are made in China. Some of the highest quality tech on the planet. “China” is such a gross oversimplification to use to generalize it is rediculous. The products run from the very best to worst. 

China” is such a gross oversimplification to use to generalize it is rediculous. 

+1 

Lower labor and possibly lower materials costs are not the same as lower quality.  Sure there are cheap inferior products and fake copies, but it is not universal.  Proper quality control monitoring avoids poor quality. General Chinese goods bashing shows lack of knowledge how the real world works. 

maybe let's not go too deep in the love of China, it's getting weird

I heard them at Capital Audiofest and they sounded quite good to me, particularly considering the price.  It delivered reasonably deep and tight bass, a nice, warm upper bass, and smooth and natural midrange.  My only negative was a touch of sibilance in the upper midrange.  This negative is common to many modern speakers, as well as some old-school concentric driver systems like those of Tannoy.  I don’t know how well they play at lower volume because they were only played at higher volume levels.  Still, a very good sounding system.

I liked how they look.  The faceted baffle looked good (functionally, they are designed to minimize diffraction issues).  The picture frame edging around the front baffle gave the speaker a nice old school touch to go with the modern look of the faceted baffle.  

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