I saw the back of an integrated and it depressed me.
Recently took a look at an ad for a Technics SU-G700M2 integrated amplifier, and honestly it made me a little sad for me, my hobby and the gear I ended up with.
When I "wore a younger man's shoes" I needed inputs! I was going to have a turntable, a Tandberg reel to reel and cassette player, and that new fangled CD player would be there as well.
This new integrated has 5 digital inputs and 2 analog inputs... and anyway I just want to drink while playing Billy Joel radio on my Roon streamer.
@waytoomuchstuff....*L*....*G* Do both....we used to call it FCE;
"Forced Consciousness Expansion: What follows after you start to say 'WT...' and don't get the time to finish the exclamation...." ;)
Known to occur in a wide variety of 'situations', ranging from a car accident to discovering that the punch at a party contains an adulterant you hadn't considered as part of your evening....which now be g i n s t o s t r e c h o u t .....
*L* What I subject some to is a pleasant version....hopefully....
Well, that's the intent, anyway...
( Oh, that's right....'Stay on topic'.....ignore the adhd/add daemons.....)
LUV HZ ,,,You KNOW most interpret that as... 🙄 Plates need upper and lower case to get the 2nd...
Personally, I've always wanted one of those LED 'crawl' readers, the long thin ones... Better, the display element would apply like a bumper sticker without the hardware....👍
..run a microputer running vox recognition, 'one shot' displays....
TOO CLOSE?
RUN THE RISK
MY FART
CRAZING YER WINDSHIELD ;))
NCHP would tag me in a heartbeat....Sheriff's would want one....likely mine....😒
I’m a firm believer there’s never enough inputs on preamps and integrateds. I also believe in keeping digital out of said devices. Unless they are plug ins that can be upgraded. And even then I think it best to keep them separate. A good preamp or integrated may last many years and never need upgrading. You can't say that about digital.
You're too busy staying pointed properly to do so, unless you've got a 3rd hand...
....or ones' 'fav appendage' has learned a 'very new trick'.....*LOL*
(My fav 'Insane Major Lotto Win Splurge' is a vaguely 'street-able' version, with exhaust diversion valves and a chip switch on the 'puter....BRG w/yellow detailing, of course.....) 😏
I hate to get all geeky here on British cars with 4-cylinder tractor motors under the bonnet, but I bought a Series V Alpine 30 years ago. 10 years later I added a turbo with the goal of matching 1/4 mile performance of a showroom stock 260 V8 Tiger. I now have the time slips to prove it. It’s truly "The Little Engine that Could." Still have the car (plus 2 Tigers) and thrash it at every opportunity.
Well, happy to report I didn’t have go to this extreme at the car show yesterday. Made a point to wear my "REAL CARS DON’T SHIFT THEMSELVES" t-shirt (with the familiar 5-speed shift knob icon). They were too busy smiling to notice how "cute" my car was. But, I will take your advice when we show my wife’s Mini Cooper S convertible next time. This car is so cute, you’re tempted to reach over and pinch it.
Those lil’ clippy things are only a plastic step-Down from a Fahnestock clip....
Oh, sure...the plastic won’t short out, but I’ve had a couple break or seem so loose that any ’crackle’ or loss of channel would be my first culprit....
That, and the wire ’fray’ with 12g. cables?
Drove me to ’tin’ all the end ’stabs’.... (hidden benefit = I can ’haircut’ 10g, tin, and dB to other realms....)
....and those plastic b*st*rds are too close together....2 side by side, *meh*.
4 s/s, I’ve got ’fat fingers’ (...that some would say match my fat head...and they’ll get theirs....*nasty Snicker*....)
*Bleeah!* (Nasty Snicker, thrown in round file....)
I’ve seen 6, even 8 in a row....That’s Insane.
5 way posts or Dearth I mean Depth dammitDEATH......
Damn the warranty....
I'll take the phoenix plugs on my amp as a close 2nd pref.... anytime, anywhere, anyhow, anywho....
You know what else I miss from those old integrated units? Those fine speaker connectors. You know the ones. You just pushed down on the plastic clip and fed the lamp cord into the hole. 😭 Time waits for no man.......
To each his own as for me it is digital all the way. albums are too costly, to fragile, to much a hassle to maintain for the perceived sound benefit. Oh, I own the Technics SUG 700 and it is a nice piece of gear for sure.
I hear you. I remember when I sold my old yamaha reciever that weighted 80 lbs because it was old school copper because it wouldn't accept HDMI inputs. I then noticed the Yamaha that replaced it weighted 20 lbs and I felt I had made a mistake.
My Denon AV reciever has HDMI inputs and RCA outputs for each channel. I run RCA out for my front speakers to one input of my amp.
The rest of my inputs are digital so I run digital inputs to my DAC which effectively becomes my preamp and routes to a 2nd RCA input on my amp.
So I guess 2 RCA inputs and the rest digital would work for me today.
@alaskaman....*L* Yeah....the lower 48 has gotten so wound up in itself that if you're north of the CN border you're 'obviously one of Them...whatever 'They' 'are', which is still unresolved...
"Shuddup, all we want is yer crude (oil, that is...), your landscape to scrape, the permafrost to melt and release who knows what....all that....more when They figure out what might make a $ or mil$....."
"HAL: I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that."
I don’t do digital, my gear is 70’s or older. I have inputs.
Wow i tried to post a comment and i could not do that as a Audiogon member with an account. Must have verified Phone number and address. F%^&#$G ridiculous and.
Don't just '5 o'clock shadow'...go 'all-out HULK' on 'em....green-tinged visible skin....practice the 'going to go beast' rapid breathing....pre-shred clothing....
(Gotta be good @ it..."Even Barbie drives a 'vette, guy....*hmpth*" might be heard....*tease*)
...heard even the 260s' spark plugs needed reverse joints in ones' hands and a taste for hot metal if done at roadside....
Anyway...pet the Lotus' about for me....*sigh*
'....always a best man, never the groom...' Closest was missing an Elan in a auction; $950 for one with no hood from an engine fire...all else There....f'k.
Floppy disc vs. d**k: Age now...fix-able to some degrees, timing counts. 👍
'Back when'? :Your karma was giving you a close encounter not to be ignored.
That's how too many of 'us' ended up being called 'daddy'.
I paid Attention to that...have none that want 'daddy in a home where they'll Take Care of him....'
@mapman....I grew up with 'party lines'; never could distinguish who we were partying with, but ...rotatory phones were frustrating when one would try to call in on a 'third caller wins!' radio scam contest....tried contra-rotation once, dial broke...
"HEY! What's happened to the phone!?"
'...the dog did it...." (older bro/younger bro = I took the hit.... f'k....)
@erik_squires Back in the Oaktown>SF era, worked with Steve, who laid hans on a new Awdy Quattro...
"What's a limey like youse going 'germ' on us? Hate their football teams, not the cars? 'Splain...."
"....their teams are just a lot of big girlies....the cars? This one is great...."
( I didn't, and still won't, argue with a man with a red-hot soldering iron in hand....)
(Long story....don't have short ones anymore....)
...except for this....Good night or morning, as is your situation.... ;)
@waytoomuchstuff In your day job you wouldn't be known as Maxwell Smart, would you? My first ever car was a '67 Sunbeam Alpine in french racing blue. Being the lowly four banger I flogged it mercilessly and, miraculously, never heard a whimper out of it. Boy would I have loved having that small block 260 V/8 to play with.
The suspension and ride of an A4 is great, if only the base model wasn't so underpowered. The Q4 I believe used the same engine with even more weight to haul. (( sigh ))
If i hit my 65 inch LG CX TV with a pipe it would drive me batty So I bought a new 2019 Honda Civic Type R and I spent over 20 minutes looking for the CD player There is none! Now it's Apple Play or Android auto only I love all it's features, but do miss the CD player I guess I'm an old sole in a new world
’Floppy drive’...sounds like the Sunbeam trans needs a new clutch... 😏
Cute cars, they wuz...."
I’m on my second clutch. Did you hack my surveilence system and watch me doing the clutch replacement? You’d be suprised how often onlookers use the term "cute" to desscribe my car. It’s not exactly what we’re going for here with a hand-built dual-quad 347. There’s a British Car show tomorrow in St. Louis. I am purposely not shaving for a few days prior. I’m hoping a burly dude standing next to the Tiger will discourage others from using the "C-word’ when describing my car.
The "floppy drive" reference may be a more accurate reference these days to date night.
"GTI - MK5 knew clutch installation starting next week. I’ve been known too redline thee little girly beast. 🤓"
"Little GTI .... you’re really lookin' fine. Direct injection and a 6-speed ... and a turbo-charged 2 liter." (Okay, failed at 2 liter rhythming thing). We had a GTI in the family, and my daily driver (178k miles) is a (manual transmisson) Audi A4.
To the OP's point, I had one of those "moments" when McIntosh added digital inputs to their 2-channel preamps -- WITHOUT MY PERMISSION!! It was a depressing moment for sure. My concept of "legacy" gear, or modern versions of marketing "legacy" gear, was that the piece would never become obsolete. Low level inputs, MM/MC phono stages, etc. have stood the test of time, and like the tune Yesterday, will probably still be relevant 50 years from now. "Digital" is a moving target. And, like the Apple floppy drive, we'll look back and remember the current digital processing as being as useful today as a fax machine. The trick is how to design around obsolesce, making upgrades doable, without performance issues. This has been the challenge in "upgradable gear" for quite some time.
I replaced a old Nikko 7075 with a Outlaw Audio RR2160MKll, best decision I ever made. Plenty of Analog inputs also has digital inputs, 2 sub inputs, Analog Bass Control. It's a Class A/B, Also has AM/FM HD, Internet Radio and a streaming app. Sounds Amazing too (with my speakers. I use it 2.1 setup sometimes 4.1 when it's cocktail time and want to get the Led out. I understand when people say technology ruined things and I agree to a point. For Example, my wife and I went over friends house for food and drinks well lots of drinks, (we did stayed over) It was a big get together, 3/4 of everyone was on there fracking cell phones. I yelled out "hey we haven't scene each other in a year! Lets try to stay off the phones for a hour!" When we left the next morning I said lets put our phones in a bag when everyone comes over?
You should have looked at a luxman 4 RCA inputs a phono rcs and 1 xlr balanced input. Also a line (tape) out and monitor. Then a pre out but no digital at all. And it's class A....
I was looking at my smartphone the other day and realized what the H-ll happened to the dial with the numbers on it, not to mention the crank and that loud oscillating tone you used to get when you lost your connection?
Yeah, I found a used pre-pro for my AV system for all the legacy ports. Around 2010 vintage they had both plenty of analog and HDMI during the transition period. Picked a manufacturer known for signal quality and product longevity. And for less than one fourth of the original price.
Lots of little boxes on Amazon will convert your legacy RCAs to digital (and back). But will it eventually all go to wireless? No ports at all!
I can’t see it in my man cave driving my stats or coexisting with all my turntables and tape decks but in my bedroom where I only stream , I’d love it.
If I were a broke 20 something year old today, I’d put all my money into something like that technics, a great pair of cheap, vintage speakers and subscribe annually to apple tunes.
No need to be depressed !
fwiw, I think they’ll come out with an updated version of the amp in another year, save up your paper route money.
No particular rush to make that Great Leap into the Unknown Infinite...and so there's still time to play 'Plugs 'n Cables' with my finite pile of Stuff...
"Let's see....red to red, white to white, black to.....Purple?!"
*BZZAP!*
"....great balls of fire....didn't need that finger, anyway...."
"An accident caused a seemingly uber-fragile screen on a flat screen TV to break the other day, necessitating a new TV."
We had a plasma TV come into our shop years ago for repair with a bullet hole through the screen. I decided to exercise my First Amendment Right, keep my mouth shut, and not ask any questions. I believe the cost of a new panel was more than the replacement cost of the TV. We kept it around for a while, just because.
I was in the Apple store the other day and noticed the new iMacs don't have a floppy drive built in. I've got a full 104k of usable data on those disks, and no way to use them! I stomped out the store, made my way back to my 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Mk1A sitting in the parking lot, cranked down the windows, shoved it in first gear, engaged the clutch, did a (quite juvenile, I must say) burn out, and drove home.
"I-n-t-e-g-r-a-t-e-d" means just that. But how many things do we need to "integrate" and ignore legacy devices?
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