travisg

OP

41 posts

07-06-2022 at 02:17pm

Ok, so I bought the BMR monitors.

what happened to that???

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/speakers-known-for-great-midrange

I don’t think he got them yet.

Just bought them on the 6th. If that's what you mean.

Kind of a vague question...

It’s Déjà Vu All Over Again

Lol the perfect quote for someone called @yogiboy 🤣 And wow 5 whole days ago and onto new speakers that's a record methinks!

Backed out of the BMR purchase. 

Well check your other thread there's tons of recs there maybe choose one?

"I really didn't say everything I said"

Ok, never mind. 

You can do a lot better than Heresys.

Thanks for the Heresy hate. Haven’t heard that one. 

At this point the biggest improvement will be a new circuit breaker panel and dedicated AC lines.

;

Thanks for the Heresy hate. Haven’t heard that one. 

I own a factory custom pair in rosewood serial number 1 and 2. I don't hate Heresys. What I said was for 6000 bucks you can do a lot better.

Sell everything but the the roon core and get some Kef LS 60s. You could add a couple of subwoofers as well.

I had a pass integrated 60 and now a 250. I found that Dynaudio speakers would give you what you are looking for. I  used special 40’s for both amps. Wonderful full mids good bass and detailed without a hint of brightness. My Kef LS metas were not bad either, but I reserve them for my tube amp.  

Try to find a pair of used GoldenEar Triton reference. 
 

Focal Aria 836 or Revel Performa3 F208

Are you looking for ideas or just killing time?

The INT 25 means you should find 8ohm speakers

with a 90+ sensitivity rating. If you sit near field

the room means less. Come to our club's event

August 27th and audition 16 speakers. Standmounts

all under $3k. With your budget you could buy two pair.

The BMRs are one of the 16.

AZAVCLUB.com

@jeffseight 

sorry for the hijack, but is your club the one that did that infamous DAC shootout? 

@travisg 

Room is a bonus room with knee walls with carpet and bookshelves everywhere, but not officially treated. I sit near field. 

That is great ^^^ .

But as I see it you got great electronic and gear.

So at this point my view is that you are asking how you can spend more money to get a different sound probably not better but just different and maybe hopefully to your more subjective liking. With the  gear you happen to have currently.

I see that you are at the point there you will just carry in and out to this room different HW/gear. And the combination of gear will give you a differently frequency response.. And if we looking at it from that point you will use gear as a equalizer and that is a very expensive way to equalize the sound and very cumbersome to do equalize. (But maybe just that is your hobby and keep doing that rest of your life and enjoy. You can also stop reading here.)

Another problem with use gear for equalizing is that they're static. For example if a specific item is good in low level listening senario or something else that you value. But you value other stuff also so you will come to the point that swapping out X component will sacrifice low volume listening experience for something else that you like. In other words hard to keep both things in some situations.

• But if we want to increase sound quality.
• And depending on mood/time on the day still be able to enjoy your system at different volume levels.
• Plus being able to tailor to your own preferencences (!) That can adopt to you change preference over time.
• Plus it will adjust to your specific room, gear and their physical positions.

What is that magical thing that can take you to the next level?

Get a DSP and measuring mic as a preamp (that is the correct position in the system). The analog (TT), digital streaming and optical media. 

Then you can integrate your subwoofers perfectly and for your room at your listening position. The same goes for the mains. You for example have four presets on the Mini DSP FLEX (measures as a good) that you can use different volume levels (as a loudness control) and with your preferences.

So better sound quality (indirectly fixing your room issues, that you even don't know probably you have today..) and versatile that do stuff that none if your other HW can do today. That brings added value to your system and you.

But you can use something more automatically calibration as Dirac or you can do it manually and with REW. That has a steeper learning curve but you have time to learn. 

(When you have a TT and 2 rels then the DSP can fix issues with rumble (acustic feedback from the bass to the TT depending on tonearm effective mass and the compliance of the cartridge the frequency will vary depending on them.) Implement a high pass filter in the DSP. So you see the DSP has many use cases, but you need to know about them.)

@jeffseight 

The INT 25 means you should find 8ohm speakers

How did you conclude this, when accordingnto the user manual the amp is stable down to 1 ohm. It can deliver 200wpc per channel @1ohm before the protection circuit activates

Focal Aria 936. 92db sensitivity, $6k/pair brand new and should likely deliver the sound quality you seek. Only you can determine that part. Good luck with your search. 

I can see this was a bad idea. Thx everyone for the SPEAKER recommendations.

Salk for me ...

@blackbag20 +1

Either I haven't had coffee yet or this is plain weird.

Seriously, if you like Klipsch sound, then the Cornwall would be good.  They are wide though.  I  have Crites Cornscala.  Potential to sound even better than Cornwall with Dean Wescott crossover. That would cost ~$3000 for speakers and crossovers

Other good choices: 

Volti Razz efficient and beautiful craftsmanship.

Fritz easy to drive monitor.

NOTE:  I have XA25.  Very compatible with lots of speakers but not difficult to drive ones. 

Good luck and ignore grumps.

Ok so I just purchased a pair of Marten Oscar Duo stand mounts. 

Everyone can disregard this post. Thx for the comments.

I don't believe you mentioned what kind of sound you have now and what sound you want to achieve.  The T5's are pretty small.  You might like the SALK Song3 Encores.  They sound really great playing jazz.

I really think your answer begins with some questions:

What have you owned and liked?

What have you owned and not liked?

What have you always wanted to try?

What is absolutely out of the realm of consideration?

Recently, I've owned Salk and Spatial Audio...both are fantastic and would probably easily meet your requirements...but maybe not depending on how you answer the four questions.

Ok so I just purchased a pair of Marten Oscar Duo stand mounts. 

Everyone can disregard this post. Thx for the comments.

Ok so I just purchased a pair of Marten Oscar Duo stand mounts. 

Going for new loudspeakers was the right choice. 

I would add a used pair of Joseph Audio Pulsars to your list.  

"I would add a used pair of Joseph Audio Pulsars to your list."  

Ok so I just purchased a pair of Marten Oscar Duo stand mounts. 

Everyone can disregard this post. Thx for the comments.

Very good choice! It would be great if you can share you experience with the Martens. I've also considered Marten Oscan Duos for my INT-25, but as I was not able to audition them, I choose Sonus Faber Olympica II instead. 

What I don't get is why do you have to ask anyone on here??? Is there not enough info and reviews to make an informed decision? I have never asked anyone on here what to buy....maybe it's me...

“What I don't get is why do you have to ask anyone on here??? Is there not enough info and reviews to make an informed decision? I have never asked anyone on here what to buy....maybe it's me...”

I enjoy being ridiculed, talked down to, and reading posts that have nothing to do with the original question.  

I have upgraded my cables and have a nice pair of $73,000 interconnect cables I’d be willing to part with for $6,000.

I saw a pair listed yesterday on the Mart. Did you buy those?

If you can find a mint pair of Wilson Sophia in your price range they should hit the spot. Good synergy with the Pass electronics too and should work great with your integrated. 

Refnoise,

Yes the AZ club did put on the infamous "DAC It Out" in Aug 2019.

I was not the person in charge.

What was your take on it?

@jeffseight

My take on it was that you guys did something that was of value to the audio community, and that it must have been as fun as it was informative. Additionally, I didn’t find the minor criticisms of methodology and cabling to temper the credibility of your work, especially considering the constraints of time and format.

I actually ended up buying the Black Ice Glass FX DAC and thought it sounded great. Curious what your personal thoughts on that DAC are.

Incidentally, I’m currently using an SMSL M400, which I found to be a cooler sound and slightly more detailed, but loses out to the Glass FX in terms of imaging/spatial cues. In my warm-ish system this was a trade off I was willing to make. Balanced outputs and MQA decoding also sweetened the deal. Still have the FX DAC, I’m having a hard time convincing myself to sell it.

Anyhow, I was going to advise the OP to avail himself of your invitation, but it sounds like he’s got it all figured out. Don’t mind hijacking this thread; he’s obviously no longer using it.

"I enjoy being ridiculed, talked down to, and reading posts that have nothing to do with the original question. "

Could it be that you had two separate threads about the same subject?  Good luck with the new speakers!

Spendor D7.2

Audio Note AN J

Maybe this is not a forum for me.

When I focus on getting better sound quality as the primary goal.

And changing in and out components year after year and just gaining something here and there maybe, in sound quality by losing something else somewhere else, By trying to match into a existing system something new.

That is not getting better sound quality it is just to get something different sounding it is what I call "chasing you tail", in my book.

And not gaining any new knowledge, by hook up another pair of speakers in this case (same procedure as for the previous once).

Nothing else than learning that speaker X sounds little bit of this and a little bit of that (in your room, with your electronics and your biases.). In other words will not help anybody else anything and it is useless knowledge except for yourself.

Maybe that is the case it is harder to learn new than just repeating old pattern. End of ranting.

Good luck with your new speakers whatever the are.❤️🎵🎶🎼💸

Maybe this is not a forum for me.

When I focus on getting better sound quality as the primary goal.

And changing in and out components year after year and just gaining something here and there maybe, in sound quality by losing something else somewhere else, By trying to match into a existing system something new.

That is not getting better sound quality it is just to get something different sounding it is what I call "chasing you tail", in my book.

And not gaining any new knowledge, by hook up another pair of speakers in this case (same procedure as for the previous once).

Nothing else than learning that speaker X sounds little bit of this and a little bit of that (in your room, with your electronics and your biases.). In other words will not help anybody else anything and it is useless knowledge except for yourself.

Maybe that is the case it is harder to learn new than just repeating old pattern. End of ranting.

we all feel the need to rant every now and then, its ok

at the heart of this is -- how does one go about improving their system? what is the ’smart’ process? one can research and read a lot, ask for advice, but most folks giving advice are not objective or truly qualified (or neither)... so it boils down to biting the bullet and getting something you think will be much better and trying it

i think it is best to view this process as part of the fun of this hobby, as opposed to a big negative... we are trying to enjoy beautiful music in our private spaces, and we all engage in various activities and processes to achieve that...

also, alot of the fun in life, enriching experiences in life, come from trying new things

Hey Travis would love to hear your thoughts on the Marten Duo's when you have them in house and I hope they're the speakers you've been searching for.

Will do. 

Totem  Tribe Tower, pairs well with Pass Labs and is a giant killer for the price.