I bought a pair of electrical devices called Electraclear from a company called AddPowr. They're simply plugged into an electrical outlet that's shared by your system. I paid under $300 for them and they've boosted my system's fidelity dramatically. In the 1800's, a physicist and mathematician, Joseph Fourier, delved into the science of harmonics, and now the founder of AddPowr used these equations to increase the signal to noise ratio. (more signal=less noise) His devices act as harmonic resonators. He worked for a high-end audio cable company before focusing on this new range of products. I thought that when I first received the Electraclears, the difference would be subtle. To my surprise and delight, it was a stunning change. I was hearing music from the inside out. Cleaner, more dynamic, and a far greater and noticeable improvement than my power conditioner produces. I love finding inexpensive audio devices that work. The company makes other products, but I'd recommend a pair of Electraclears to start.
The only interesting thing I noticed from the link is that if you clicked on the "Read Less" hyperlink, a lot of the BS would go away.
"Game changing tweak" is oxymoronic, or maybe just ordinary moronic. Some hobbies attract Kool-aid drinkers more than others. Audio is the top of the heap. Imagine trying to sell something like this to an amateur radio operator. You couldn't get a vial of snake oil into a ham shack, even with a "free returns" policy - because they understand the technology. He'll hook the power line up to an oscilloscope and SEE if it makes a difference. You won't sell him magic liquid to rub on his antenna coax; a mat or little pointy things to set his RF amp on; or a mic cable that will make his signal punch harder. Maplewood, crystals, or random weights to set about? The market would be zero.
my system would degenerate to the point it would be merely clearly superior to theirs.
So no-one's allowed to have an opinion until they've bought every piece of pseudo scientific junk they can lay their hands on but you're able to compare the performance of your system to theirs using only your imagination and absurd sense of superiority.
something very unusual going on that should make anyone with a lick of sense stand up and go WTF?!?
I agree with this bit... I did say WTF when I saw the rats nest of cables and random pieces of carbon fibre that would be much better employed in an application that suits their material properties (like a bike frame).
This isn't a competition, people came here to be informed... that involves asking questions and challenging the answers. Incidentally if it wasn't for 'sciency guys' you wouldn't have anything to plug your interconnects into.
A dose of skepticism is healthy and even constructive. You're just a blowhard. The products we're discussing were developed over years of sophisticated research, using all of the instruments that meter/measure electrical signal. ADDPowr's approach asks "What has been missed?" in examining the properties of electricity. Turns out that a lot has been overlooked and more insight into its mysteries are sure to come. Your posturing as a debunker is a weak cover for your technical ignorance, and I would wager that you don't have the expertise or talent to design anything of worth. I was introduced to ADDPowr by an audiophile who owns the Sorcer by ADDPowr and considers it an essential component in his system. He's set up award winning rooms at audio shows for years. I trust his audio opinion over yours a thousandfold.
I do not know about the device in question but I have learned from experience over the years that if you are trying to solve a problem it’s best to look for solutions that are well understood. Oh and it often involves science and other things that you learn in school. That’s probably the systems engineer in me talking. Trial and error can work also but usually takes longer and cost more. Sometimes it might never end. Sound familiar?
The products we're discussing were developed over years of sophisticated research, using all of the instruments that meter/measure electrical signal.
Then where's the data?
The mfg rambles on about Fourier, so do an FFT on the line and the program w&wo the gadget. For under a C note, one can obtain a PC based scope that will do FFT.
He's set up award winning rooms at audio shows for years.
Said rooms almost universally have the most gawd awful sonics.
"Said rooms almost universally have the most gawd awful sonics." That's the dumbest post I have yet to read here. You're a complete ignoramus to make a statement like that. If you can't afford the price of a ticket to an audio show, then you certainly can't test drive anything in the audio market even with a money back guarantee. Save up some money from your newspaper route, buy the units and come back here informed. Anything other than that is juvenile.
Sunshine, I was in the audio field for 20+ years. I have a Grammy nomination, a patent, invented the Vocal Splicer, designed and built 5.1 scoring monitors, was head of Analog R&D for AMS-Neve, consulted for the biggest names in the industry.
I endured, never enjoyed, more shows than I can forget.
Universally, when people who know live acoustic music hear my system they are blown away by how musical it is and make comments like "Wow. Wow! Awesome!! Joe Pass is sitting right there!" "Man, your system is so precise!" on hearing Warren Zevon ’Werewolves of London’ "Who needs concerts?" on hearing Queen ’Bohmenian Rhapsody’ "Man, it’s like I could walk up and sit in." said a jazz guitarist on hearing Ben Webster ’Remember Me’
@ieales The audiophile I referred to would use top of the line Ortofon and Miyajima cartridges, some retailing for $12,000, the top of the line VPI turntables, and high end speakers in the $40,000 range. Now price doesn't necessarily confer quality, but he's been in the audio business for forty years. Too bad you missed his rooms, it was an education. I also know what live music is, having gone to concerts at Carnegie Hall, Weill Recital Hall, and Zankel Hall for decades. With your technical background, you ought to already know what ADDPowr is doing or simply ask them for the information you need instead of crowing "FAKE" like a jealous has-been.
I put a cat turd on each speaker wire and it improved the imaging. I'll be doggone if I'll take them off until I come up with a better idea! Maybe I'll wrap them in copper tape!
Who are these people who think this means THEY have to do that? Don't! I'm just glad I don't have to listen to their system all the time.
We all know that in space, no one can hear you scream. Silence is nature's default condition. No matter how good your gear is--and I'd guess the folks on this site measure pretty high--that utterly silent background determines the definition of what's played over it. There is significant research showing that there is more "silence" or "rest time" called for in musical compositions than there are notes. It's so easy to find out what works. TV? . . . Black Level? Watch for my coming AG sale: Special! Cat Turds $35/pair!
Thanks millercarbon! When I moved last year, I dealt with an entirely different acoustic/room custom engineered. I did not add acoustical tweaks at first. I started with vibrational tweaks (Stillpoints/Townsend Seismic Sink and Herbie’s tube rings). My friends and I listened. Then we added the SR HFTs. Great, just as in the previous locations as indicated by the SR directions, they worked. Then the front Hallographs, then the rear Hallographs (this took about 8 hours to get adjusted correctly). Then the PPT products. It took awhile, several months, adding even more PPT products than I had in the prior location. Then I discovered that it was a negative addition where there were magnets present. Then I realized that by adding or subtracting certain products I could achieve neutrality across the frequency range with added depth, warmth and openess. So to Jetter, I used my hearing (and seconded by astute friends who are in the business) to make my final adjustments.
I go on the exactly same road, except i create my own improved hallographs ( i dont know the original one except by photo for sure then maybe not improved but that is great increase in S. Q. for me) ...Not bad for a few bucks....I even create my own emat omega tech. before knowing that this product even exist....The "golden plate".... Materials in the 2 are different probably but i put mine on the same locations with success before reading anything about omega tech.... And it works....
My idea are free, low cost and wait to be tried.... It is not attracting much people tough....
i dont know why?
Perhaps too much low cost, not so esthetically attracting, and ask for creativity instead of money...
Behind what look like some accidental "tweaks" there is a method of experimental listenings revealing to me the conjugate effects of the triple embeddings of any audio system, then it was easy to create some homemade devices to systematically controls and improve the s.q. coming from the lack of controls in these 3 dimensions....
:)
Then there is NO game changing tweak, because NO tweak solve by itself all the defects in the 3 embeddings at the same time only by itself alone...
There is a method of experimental listenings tough that clear the way for the embedding of any "generic" design components in the "specific" gear, room and house.....
If there is one idea that is important in my discovery of the 3 embeddings experimental listenings, perhaps the least known and totally misunderstood, is beside the PASSIVE room treatment with inert materials, is the ACTIVE room controls with connected different resonators grids and low cost modified Schuman Generators...
This was not a " tweak", the word is not innocuous at all and is suggestive of what some inexperienced people called "snake oil", and the word suggest also some inessential secondary artefact ....
BUT even a bunch of tweaks is NOT a method....
My method was the result of my experimental listenings , essential to adjust the many parameters of the room and the devices...These device cannot be adjusted by an electronic computer room analysis only....They are not passive materials to be put on some sensible nodes in the room, nodes precisely computed by a program...They are active devices modified by connection cable and stones and crystals which we must link together in synergy with the ears/room/speakers acoustical field feed back....
The ACTIVE room controls gives what most PASSIVE treatment cannot gives by itself alone, except perhaps a dedicated very costly acoustical audio chamber, a relative decoupling of the sound from the speakers and from the obstructive accidents of the room and from his topology and a compensating tool to freed the sound from the load impose by the room.... It was like if the sound now can live in his own dimension and not only in my room.....At low cost indeed....Anyway the mechanical embedding and the electrical embedding and the passive acoustical treatment are also mandatory BEFORE to have the optimal means for adjusting the acoustical parameters of the active acoutical embedding....
The results are so amazing that my modest system (speakers+dac+ amplifier total cost under 500 bucks) will put to shame many costly one not by being better but by being so near them at peanuts costs....You know when you are there when any upgrade while tempting seems ridiculous....
The ears and listening experiments are the only essential tools...And if there is no game changing tweak, there exist a game changing method....
If my post could be useful to one guy they are justified....I apologize for the others....
A bit of number theory too, the congruence algebra will do...
And you will understand something about the non- metaphorical and the metaphorical depth of numbers...
I am pretty sure that you think that your chair is more real than the prime numbers for example.... But it is the reverse indeed.... It is not too late to learn and studying and then not harassing people unknown to you in the mean time....
By the way there is more than 3 embeddings, my choice was dictated solely by my experience, and simplicity in my way to explain to myself first what i was doing in my listenings experiments....
It is not practical nor wise to speak about too much at the same time, and for this 4th embeddings i have not work it with experiments.... It is a difficult dimension to work with anyway.... Then i will not speak about it and be welcomed by your sarcasms...
The world would be a better place if any comment from writers who haven‘t actually listened to the item being discussed get automatically barred by the moderator. There are numerous products designed to remove hash from the mains by passive means. In addition to AddPowr, reputable companies such as Furutech, Nordost, Acoustic Revive, Akiko Audio, Oyaide and I am sure numerous others are working on this basis and to call them all snake oil sellers is simply preposterous.
In addition to AddPowr, reputable companies such as Furutech, Nordost, Acoustic Revive, Akiko Audio, Oyaide and I am sure numerous others are working on this basis and to call them all snake oil sellers is simply preposterous.
Most of those who chase and see "snake oil" sellers and customers everywhere has never created for themselves a good audio system to begin with, if they had, they will know first hand that tuning a system rightfully is more powerful that upgrading it....
Ignoring basic fact about vibrations, electrical noise and acoustic, they accuse everybody who try to cure all disease plaguing all systems to be deluded by calling ANYTHING snake oil....Or worst placebo...Idiots in audio are easy to recognize....
For sure "tweaks" are way too costly for me, but i never bought them myself i replicate them simply when i could.... Result: hi fi experience for peanuts...
«Acoustic law cannot be replaced by stupidity, save when idiots speak»-Groucho Marx
Please could those of you who trust your senses without question, who do not recognise your own confirmation biases, who don’t believe in measurement, who don’t respect the laws of physics, and who think they are immune from placebo effects, please tell me what else apart from audio you spend your money on? Whatever it is, I’m going into that business. And please tell me you are not into tweaking your vehicle’s brakes, or designing medical devices, or aeroplane control systems, or nuclear power safety systems. Please?
A: Yes they seem to. Whatever filtering or tonal characteristics the power cord powering the X2 has, they seem to pass through to the effect the X2 has on the overall sonic presentation of your system
Beautiful!
it’s like that Gerard Hofnung gag about the guy who bought a penknife but couldn’t open it, so be bought anther penknife to open it with, but... etc.
Since you are such a technical expert: power cables are one of the major ingress points of EFI/RMI into systems: it therefore stands to reason that different power cords have different effects on devices specifically designed to fight that distortion; fat joke, that init?
Please could those of you who trust your senses without question, who do not recognise your own confirmation biases, who don’t believe in measurement, who don’t respect the laws of physics, and who think they are immune from placebo effects, please tell me what else apart from audio you spend your money on? Whatever it is, I’m going into that business. And please tell me you are not into tweaking your vehicle’s brakes, or designing medical devices, or aeroplane control systems, or nuclear power safety systems. Please?
Who are gullible?
ME who paid 500 bucks for my audio system and tune it so good i trashed all my seven headphones, without buying ANYTHING, save few bucks materials, and created myself homemade my own embeddings device controls, for the mechanical, electrical and acoustical working dimensions of my system ?
or YOU who spend your money in a costlier system without knowing how to make it great if you dont upgrade it, because you dont know some basic law of science and dont trust your ears?
And you pretend like others in the "sunday skeptic boy club" to be scientists for sure...
I am not a scientist but i can think and use my ears...
By the way because idiot need more precision, all the systems, breaks, medical devices,planes, you mention have no relation whatsoever with listening and learning how to listen, changing parameters in audio gear or in the room, or in the electrical grid with controls devices or tweaks;
Then the comparison you make with tweaking breaks, medical device, or planes, prove 2 things only, you are of bad faith totally or else you are an idiot....
I’m led by science and engineering and objective evidence and build my systems using those principles to create a sound I love.
You have a faith in "stones and crystals which we must link together in synergy with the ears/room/speakers acoustical field feed back."
I am led by my listenings experiments , nothing else guide me except audible results...
Buying nothing my audio system is top now for his price...I am very proud to think by myself and not being only a passive consumer nor being passively constricted by prejudices...
I dont presume anything , i tried, and putting copper on shungite is not in any manual... I tried it because my ears said so... i succeeded...Call it placebo if your sleep would improve...When i was at school i never accepted what was in the manual only because it is there....I dont say that engineer must reinvent acoustic or plane flight... I juste say open mind make discoveries for themselves first and sometimes for all....
Your own recognition of your overreaction and your choice of some time away is wise.
I am a consicous being not a robot, then i recognized my mistakes....I go too far with your denegating not one but all time postings with mockery... But i go myself too far.... I apologize for this now after recognizing the fact....
Good on you Mahgister. Me too, and my best wishes to you too. I’m sure you will continue advocating your listened experience, and I’ll keep advocating science and measurement. We’ll keep it sweet while doing so, eh?
Why do we reject tweaks due to "pure" science, or scientific thinking? And call it snake oil...
Does science explain everything? And dispute everything too? hmmm...why are we DISCOVERING WHY cement actually hardens - in 2020???
But we've been using it a LONG time? No?
"Many paste materials, also known as dense colloidal suspensions, stiffen as they age. Structural dynamics, or changes in the loads the materials undergo over time, are partly responsible for this change, but for decades, experts have suspected that there's more going on inside these materials."
I know I embrace most of the information given here and flat out reject a few on this forum. Especially those who malign, attack and are just vicious. You know who you are.
I have tried some and they have worked and others that did not, and yet I do not espouse those who condemned or condone those tweaks.
if it work for you then great, if not move on and do not those who it has worked for.
I have lurked this forum for a long long while, joined once and was viciously attacked by a select few. Well I am back and now ignore those few. For the most part there is good information being shared and it is all subjective, go ahead and show how big a child you are by attacking and condemning with no data to back your assumptions. With no data that is what they are and you are the first three letter of assumption.
Myself i could be wrong in any of my cases, experiments or reports...
You could also be wrong in your assessment of one of my case...
Then speaking without denigrating is the only meaningful way...
I am "nut", you are not... I need you and you need me, because life is boring if all events are previsibles or explainables on the spot....
By the way my goal in audio, without much money, was never to go on with the consumers herd or the engineering herd, but to give myself a good hi-fi experience at NO cost.... Mission accomplished.... I would have never succeeded going on with the general rule....Because audio is also like any field more complex than meet the eyes....
Interesting. This is like a pit of vipers.if it works for you wonderful, if not then move on.
Followed by
Easy to see who the posers and the vipers are.
and
Easy to see who the viper is.
Easy to go to your posting record to see these are indeed accurate quotes. You seem to have a viper fetish.
I was trying to find one that was informative and unfortunately the closest you came was the one where you tried to lecture us by regurgitating a slew of turntable tropes. You got taken to school on that one and rightly so.
I don't usually waste much time with the neuro cases around here but some make a specialty of it and they seem to have spotted that you keep coming back with the same sorry crap just under a different name.
Right between the eyes, millercarbon- Bravo! I'm the OP on this thread and have encountered an absurd amount of scorn from the hyenas that lurk on this forum . When they take their self-righteous 'science and measurements' posture, my immediate thought is that they can't hear or experience music. It's also likely that they have mediocre rigs that won't improve with anything except a complete overhaul. When I began a thread about SR fuses, I really kicked a hornet's nest. It's a shame because the point of this forum is to SHARE experience with your fellow audiophile, who may benefit from your results. Also, science is a terrible example of established knowledge- just look at the recent astonishing revelations of recent advances in quantum theory. Nothing is fixed in science or in audio.
Please could those of you who trust your senses without question, who do not recognise your own confirmation biases, who don’t believe in measurement, who don’t respect the laws of physics, and who think they are immune from placebo effects, please tell me what else apart from audio you spend your money on? Whatever it is, I’m going into that business. And please tell me you are not into tweaking your vehicle’s brakes, or designing medical devices, or aeroplane control systems, or nuclear power safety systems. Please?
Please? Confirmation bias goes both ways. If you’re predisposed to not hear a difference, you won’t. We all believe in measurements but contend that not everything can be measured, presently. We’re not so full of ourselves that we think that we’re at the height of our ability to measure things. Tell that to the physicists. We respect the laws of physics but that’s such a broad topic to fall back on without being incredibly specific and without asking someone who’s very steeped in it to chime in with what it possible. As for placebo effects, they are all temporary and not long lasting. We’ve always said that distinctions and variances are heard through long listening sessions and not at the short intervals needed for a parlor trick. And, no one here falls that easily for the conflation of tampering with car brakes, airplane control systems and nuclear power stations with simple, effective tweaks done to our audio systems.
And please tell me you are not into tweaking your vehicle’s brakes
Oh, the ignorance. Back when I was a Porsche Club of America Driving Instructor and it was time to replace my brakes I went to one of the most experienced Porsche techs in the the US to find out if drilled or slotted rotors might be better than stock. Squire said no, get stock and have them cryo'd.
Say what??!
He said they will not only wear longer, but exhibit greater ability to modulate and hold on the verge of lock-up, especially when it counts, when very hot from a lot of laps. Well Squire held the track record and had a long and storied racing history so who was I to argue? I had them cryo'd and used them long enough to know everything he said was true, including the longer brake life.
For several years it was routine to change brake pads to use the faster response pads for autocross and the higher heat tolerant pads for the track. The brake fluid was also changed to a higher temp. This isn't necessarily something recommended for street use as the higher temp stuff is more hydrophilic, absorbs moisture, and so not great for street use where the fluid is likely not often changed, but perfect for track use where the fluid is changed and higher temp resistance to boiling is much more important.
Now here's the funny part. I tend not to follow threads that decompose into BS the way this one has but the brake ignorance caught my eye and it was quoted so I had to scroll up to see which boob wrote it and no surprise, it was bluemoodriver.
This will not register, it never does when the skull is so thick, but any normal person would at this point be so humiliated to have it made so clear just how far off he is, and go skulk off, never to be heard from again. We can only hope.
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