Game Changing Tweak

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@Mahgister

You sound like you're from the Nikola Tesla school of thought.

I recommend to you projective geometry study...

A bit of number theory too, the congruence algebra will do...

And you will understand something about the non- metaphorical and the metaphorical depth of numbers...

I am pretty sure that you think that your chair is more real than the prime numbers for example.... But it is the reverse indeed.... It is not too late to learn and studying and then not harassing people unknown to you in the mean time....



By the way there is more than 3 embeddings, my choice was dictated solely by my experience, and simplicity in my way to explain to myself first what i was doing in my listenings experiments....

It is not practical nor wise to speak about too much at the same time, and for this 4th embeddings i have not  work it with experiments.... It is a difficult dimension to work with anyway.... Then i will not speak about it and be welcomed by your sarcasms...



  

Isn't it strange how the most important things come in threes: the Trinity, Auguste Comte's three ages of mankind, Olympic medals, etc. etc. etc.

If there is one idea that is important in my discovery of the 3 embeddings experimental listenings, perhaps the least known and totally misunderstood, is beside the PASSIVE room treatment with inert materials, is the ACTIVE room controls with connected different resonators grids and low cost modified Schuman Generators...

This was not a " tweak", the word is not innocuous at all and is suggestive of what some inexperienced people called "snake oil", and the word suggest also some inessential secondary artefact ....

BUT  even a bunch of tweaks is NOT a method....

My method was the result of my experimental listenings , essential to adjust the many parameters of the room and the devices...These device cannot be adjusted by an electronic computer room analysis only....They are not passive materials to be put on some sensible nodes in the room, nodes precisely computed by a program...They are active devices modified by connection cable and stones and crystals which we must link together in synergy with the ears/room/speakers acoustical field feed back....

The ACTIVE room controls gives what most PASSIVE treatment cannot gives by itself alone, except perhaps a dedicated very costly acoustical audio chamber, a relative decoupling of the sound from the speakers and from the obstructive accidents of the room and from his topology and a compensating tool to freed the sound from the load impose by the room.... It was like if the sound now can live in his own dimension and not only in my room.....At low cost indeed....Anyway the mechanical embedding and the electrical embedding and the passive acoustical treatment are also mandatory BEFORE to have the optimal means for adjusting the acoustical parameters of the active acoutical embedding....

The results are so amazing that my modest system (speakers+dac+ amplifier total cost under 500 bucks) will put to shame many costly one not by being better but by being so near them at peanuts costs....You know when you are there when any upgrade while tempting seems ridiculous....

The ears and listening experiments are the only essential tools...And if there is no game changing tweak, there exist a game changing method....

If my post could be useful to one guy they are justified....I apologize for the others....

fleschler

I go on the exactly same road, except i create my own improved hallographs ( i dont know the original one except by photo for sure then maybe not improved but that is great increase in S. Q. for me) ...Not bad for a few bucks....I even create my own emat omega tech. before knowing that this product even exist....The "golden plate".... Materials in the 2 are different probably but i put mine on the same locations with success before reading anything about omega tech.... And it works....

My idea are free, low cost and wait to be tried.... It is not attracting much people tough....

i dont know why?

Perhaps too much low cost, not so esthetically attracting, and ask for creativity instead of money...

Behind what look like some accidental "tweaks" there is a method of experimental listenings revealing to me the conjugate effects of the triple embeddings of any audio system, then it was easy to create some homemade devices to systematically controls and improve the s.q. coming from the lack of controls in these 3 dimensions....

:)



Then there is NO game changing tweak, because NO tweak solve by itself all the defects in the 3 embeddings at the same time only by itself alone...

There is a method of experimental listenings tough that clear the way for the embedding of any "generic" design components in the "specific" gear, room and house.....

Thanks millercarbon! When I moved last year, I dealt with an entirely different acoustic/room custom engineered. I did not add acoustical tweaks at first. I started with vibrational tweaks (Stillpoints/Townsend Seismic Sink and Herbie’s tube rings). My friends and I listened. Then we added the SR HFTs. Great, just as in the previous locations as indicated by the SR directions, they worked. Then the front Hallographs, then the rear Hallographs (this took about 8 hours to get adjusted correctly). Then the PPT products. It took awhile, several months, adding even more PPT products than I had in the prior location. Then I discovered that it was a negative addition where there were magnets present. Then I realized that by adding or subtracting certain products I could achieve neutrality across the frequency range with added depth, warmth and openess. So to Jetter, I used my hearing (and seconded by astute friends who are in the business) to make my final adjustments.

"Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day" - Harry S.Truman

Shellacked.
you can't polish 'em

That made me laugh. 

Surely some cat turds sound better than others......

I put a cat turd on each speaker wire and it improved the imaging. I'll be doggone if I'll take them off until I come up with a better idea!
Maybe I'll wrap them in copper tape!

Who are these people who think this means THEY have to do that? Don't!
I'm just glad I don't have to listen to their system all the time.

We all know that in space, no one can hear you scream. Silence is nature's default condition. No matter how good your gear is--and I'd guess the folks on this site measure pretty high--that utterly silent background determines the definition of what's played over it.
There is significant research showing that there is more "silence" or "rest time" called for in musical compositions than there are notes.
It's so easy to find out what works. TV? . . . Black Level?
Watch for my coming AG sale: Special! Cat Turds $35/pair!

He raises his voice when he should reinforce his argument.

Calm down bro.

@ieales
The audiophile I referred to would use top of the line Ortofon and Miyajima cartridges, some retailing for $12,000, the top of the line VPI turntables, and high end speakers in the $40,000 range. Now price doesn't necessarily confer quality, but he's been in the audio business for forty years. Too bad you missed his rooms, it was an education. I also know what live music is, having gone to concerts at Carnegie Hall, Weill Recital Hall, and Zankel Hall for decades. With your technical background, you ought to already know what ADDPowr is doing or simply ask them for the information you need instead of crowing "FAKE" like a jealous has-been.
 

George Harrison had a Scouse accent - VERY different from Cockney. 

Sunshine, I was in the audio field for 20+ years. I have a Grammy nomination, a patent, invented the Vocal Splicer, designed and built 5.1 scoring monitors, was head of Analog R&D for AMS-Neve, consulted for the biggest names in the industry.

I endured, never enjoyed, more shows than I can forget.

Universally, when people who know live acoustic music hear my system they are blown away by how musical it is and make comments like "Wow. Wow! Awesome!! Joe Pass is sitting right there!" "Man, your system is so precise!" on hearing Warren Zevon ’Werewolves of London’ "Who needs concerts?" on hearing Queen ’Bohmenian Rhapsody’ "Man, it’s like I could walk up and sit in." said a jazz guitarist on hearing Ben Webster ’Remember Me’

@mapman 

+ 1

The products we're discussing were developed over years of sophisticated research, using all of the instruments that meter/measure electrical signal.

Then where's the data?

The mfg rambles on about Fourier, so do an FFT on the line and the program w&wo the gadget. For under a C note, one can obtain a PC based scope that will do FFT.

He's set up award winning rooms at audio shows for years.

Said rooms almost universally have the most gawd awful sonics.

I do not know about the device in question but I have learned from experience over the years that if you are trying to solve a problem it’s best to look for solutions that are well understood. Oh and it often involves science and other things that you learn in school. That’s probably the systems engineer in me talking. Trial and error can work also but usually takes longer and cost more. Sometimes it might never end. Sound familiar?

“ can you feel the love tonight......”

@ladickinson

A dose of skepticism is healthy and even constructive. You're just a blowhard. The products we're discussing were developed over years of sophisticated research, using all of the instruments that  meter/measure electrical signal.  ADDPowr's approach asks "What has been missed?" in examining the properties of electricity. Turns out that a lot has been overlooked and more insight into its mysteries are sure to come. Your posturing as a debunker is a weak cover for your technical ignorance, and I would wager that you don't have the expertise or talent to design anything of worth.
  I was introduced to ADDPowr by an audiophile who owns the Sorcer by ADDPowr and considers it an essential component in his system. He's set up award winning rooms at audio shows for years.   I trust his audio opinion over yours a thousandfold. 

@millercarbon

my system would degenerate to the point it would be merely clearly superior to theirs.

So no-one's allowed to have an opinion until they've bought every piece of pseudo scientific junk they can lay their hands on but you're able to compare the performance of your system to theirs using only your imagination and absurd sense of superiority. 

something very unusual going on that should make anyone with a lick of sense stand up and go WTF?!?

I agree with this bit... I did say WTF when I saw the rats nest of cables and random pieces of carbon fibre that would be much better employed in an application that suits their material properties (like a bike frame).

This isn't a competition, people came here to be informed... that involves asking questions and challenging the answers. Incidentally if it wasn't for 'sciency guys' you wouldn't have anything to plug your interconnects into.

The only interesting thing I noticed from the link is that if you clicked on the "Read Less" hyperlink, a lot of the BS would go away.

"Game changing tweak" is oxymoronic, or maybe just ordinary moronic.  Some hobbies attract Kool-aid drinkers more than others.  Audio is the top of the heap.  Imagine trying to sell something like this to an amateur radio operator.  You couldn't get a vial of snake oil into a ham shack, even with a "free returns" policy - because they understand the technology.    He'll hook the power line up to an oscilloscope and SEE if it makes a difference.  You won't sell him magic liquid to rub on his antenna coax; a mat or little pointy things to set his RF amp on;  or a mic cable that will make his signal punch harder.  Maplewood, crystals, or random weights to set about?  The market would be zero.

I think I'll just change the frequency, Kenneth.

fleschler, a man of distinction, writes:

I agree with MillerCarbon more often and rarely with of the naysayers.  

As for the rest of you:

If I removed from my system everything that cannot be adequately explained scientifically to the satisfaction of certain people here my system would degenerate to the point it would be merely clearly superior to theirs. Then if I were to also remove everything they think has to be double-blind proven to work even after being scientifically explained (because, I know, makes no sense- but you never know with these people) minus all that my system would be merely somewhat better, sort of. But not better in the 'whole other realm' 'what were you thinking' 'as if' kind of way it is now. Gape. Drool cup. Rock your world.

All thanks to a bunch of stuff nobody can explain but everyone can easily hear.

Here is a perfect example: https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/8367
Take a real good look at picture #10. Compare closely with #41 & #42. In particular, pay real close attention to all the boxes and every single wire. Study each one. I am not giving it away. People need to learn to think for a change. There's something very unusual going on that should make anyone with a lick of sense stand up and go WTF?!? But it won't. Because  for all the techno blather of the posers pretending to be all sciency, they don't have the first clue what they're looking at. Follow the wires. Its that simple. 

I spotted it this time last year, or rather pieced it together reading people's comments.

Easy if you know anything about electricity. Otherwise, impossible. Which yes that's a challenge. Put your money where your mouth is. Prove you have half a clue. Point out the puzzling odd whatever. If you can find it.

Talked to the manufacturer, confirmed no one else got it, including even the electricians who installed The Gate, which is another highly effective audio enigma.

You are indeed wise fleschler to go with what you hear and to not worry overly much with what you can explain. Not a one of these guys demanding explanations has the slightest clue what's going on in those photos, so why should we care what they think? 

Seriously. Its right there in the pictures. Figure it out, sciency guys. If you can. 😂

Here’s the deal... and it’s simple. My industry is probably more riddled with snake oil than any other, though not quite as pricy as some of the exotic oils in the Audio Game.... here is my answer when asked if I think product x “works”. Do you feel a difference as described? If yes, then guess what? It works. Even if it is 100% BS intellectually... if you hear it, it works. Doesn’t matter why. Enjoy the goods.

Nobody here has an SPL meter to level match, n=30 is interplanetary science

There is no way a clone could survive the ego transplant.. 

BTW, last time I checked n=30

@fleschler 

I agree with MillerCarbon more often and rarely with of the naysayers.

Yea, that's about the way I imagine a lot of us think of you, a MC clone.  And I like PPT products.

I agree with MillerCarbon more often and rarely with of the naysayers. 

I use PPT products but found that too many Omega Mats over isolation power transformers, rear of speakers and power boxes can result in a loss of air/ambiance/highs and too much mid-range emphasis.  I also found out from the manufacturer after having found my system sounding weird was that PPT products should not be used where there are magnets.  By adding and subtracting the number and type of Mats I was able to fine tune their use and benfit.  I now use 2 Omega+Mats on power boxes, 2 on top and 2 beneath my isolation power transformer and 1 on the rear of my speakers at the crossover section.  My friend who introduced me to them has no magnets in his system and installed all the PPT products 10X to 20X what I have now.  It works for his system.   

I also use SR HFT system with 32 placed as indicated in the instructions for Levels 1 through 5 and speaker kit.  I tried altering some of their order and resulted in worse sound.  The only one that does not work is the HFX on the tweeters (emphasizes the highs/frequency range out of balance).  Neither the PPTs nor the SR products give me adequate scientific reasoning for their successful use but that doesn't stop me. 

I tried over a dozen types of footers for my equipment and ended up with various Stillpoints.  Those have a stronger scientific basis than SR and PPT products.  

I would think that an oscilloscope with logging features would enhance any measured testing. Words just cant make up for measured results.  

@phd 

My sentiments exactly. BTW, my analog has benefited as well. I think it's apt to say the Electraclears "purify" sound. It's subjective, but I'm
enjoying it. 

Appreciate you sharing such a relatively inexpensive tweak with huge returns as you have described.. If by chance others don't get the same results, they can always come back to this thread and express their disappointment. However with such a generous return policy, how can you go wrong?

I am an EE engineer by training, so when encountering pseudo-tech jargon I tend to be a bit more skeptical than the average person. What I mean by pseudo-tech jargon is blending real scientific principles or equations with non-technical or marketing in a compelling cocktail that ultimately claims a positive effect, but never quite telling a scientifically coherent story along the way. The highly technical concepts are often times sufficient to reassure the non technical minded people that real science was employed in the making of the product, getting their guard down.

Then again, exotic effects do exist and from when initially discovered the science may lag behind in explaining how & why it works. Sometimes the science can lag years, decades or even centuries after the phenomenon has been initially described or discovered. 

But none of this should matter. To my way of thinking, the burden of proof should not belong to the consumer, but rather to the producer of the technology. I should not have to buy a $300 product in order to find out if it works or not. Instead, the manufacturer should publish before & after type of proof. In the case of this product, perhaps show the “before” and “after” output signal of an amplifier or a speaker (since 1-2dB are the claimed improvement). Better yet and for even greater believability, send it to an independent testing facility and publish the results.

The fact that it isn’t offered raises some alarms for me personally. This doesn’t automatically imply it doesn’t work. Just that, IMO proof should be honestly and transparently offered by those who make the product.

I’m not telling anybody how to spend their money, nor do I intend to insult anyone along the way.

Dynamic Range Compression.
 There may be a solution to the distortion in this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_range_compression

It’s worth reiterating what jperry wrote, 

“There are a lot of opinions on this thread from people that have no reason to have an opinion.

You have nothing to talk about unless you have heard the item discussed.”

There are a lot of opinions on this thread from people that have no reason to have an opinion.

You have nothing to talk about unless you have heard the item discussed.

My hearing is shot.
I can't hear confirmation bias.

bobby1945

... Source exclusively streaming from TIDAL.
90% of streams suffer from distortion as a result of DRC- I am assuming ...

@bobby1945 what is "DRC?"

I'm getting disillusioned with this hifi .
I have spent not an inconsiderate amount on my 2nd system here in Thailand my primary system in Oz.
Source exclusively streaming from TIDAL.
90% of streams suffer from distortion as a result of DRC- I am assuming.
Some streams are perfection, so I'm assuming my kit is ok,but am I making an imperfect assumption? 

I am a complete skeptic when it comes to these kinds of things and as yet have not bought into any power cord, fuse, etc. products or theories. The reports on this device I found so fascinating that I ordered a 30 day return policy B-stock Symphony Standard model listed normally for $375 but sold as a B-stock item by the manufacturer for $195 shipped. Just couldn't resist. I look forward to reviewing and reporting back my experience. My expectations are not high or particularly optimistic. We shall see. Later.

There are a lot of opinions on this thread from people that have no reason to have an opinion.

You have nothing to talk about unless you have heard the item discussed.

Bartholomew, meet guitarsam, guitarsam, meet bartholomew.  You boys have a good time now.

Damping noise by elevating signal seems as important as damping vibration. In fact, damping noise at the source, which is the electrical supply, may be more noticeable than preventing micro vibrations that occur after the fact.  

I am always marveled at the arrogance of man thinking he knows everything there is to know .

This is free advertising masquerading as an infomercial masquerading as honest customer testimony. Funny how I JUST received an email on this very same company offering a deal on these resonators, or whatever they are on audiogon. I hate this kind of stuff.
SCAM.

If a device adds harmonics, the voltage is going to change
See http://ielogical.com/assets/Audio/misc/SubHarmMod.png for a simple example.

Power supply diodes only conduct for a fraction of the AC cycle. If the AC voltage is modulated due to increased harmonics, it is going to change the diode conduction period which in turn will modulate the DC supply and not in concert with the music demand. If the added harmonics decrease the voltage at a musical peak, clipping is more likely. Never a good thing.

Some like valve rectifiers because they modulate the power supply in concert with the program.

More than once, a new WhizBang has elicited the response:
"You’re freaking joking, right?"

@bartholomew

My Shunyata power distribution uses a similar device. There's sells for about $225 now, I paid $100. It's a simple setup with a Venom HC cables to a PS8 power strip. One of the outlets has the Defender Power Conditioning Module. The mains line is a Delta NR which is apparently replaced by Alpha NR.
I got great results.

It's all in the mind, y'know", George Harrison, 1968.  

I can hear George saying that in his cockney accent...no system needed.

My refrigerator is noisy.  Hmmmm......

@tuberollin

That version is an earlier one. I have the latest, carbon fiber cylinder that only takes up the space of one outlet, not covering the second
one in the duplex. It's twice as strong as the original, from what I'm told. I moved one Electraclear this morning to the top outlet of the duplex and my power conditioner is in the bottom outlet of the same duplex. More pronounced effect than when it was in a power strip.
I think it's the ideal configuration. If I had a quad outlet, I could fit two Electraclears and the power conditioner together. Might wind up installing a hospital grade quad outlet.