Taters is that you?
Why pay so much?
If you want to think cables make a huge difference in sound fine...but why pay up to $70,000 for speaker wire?
You can buy 38 lbs of 99.99% bullion silver for $10,000 or 4000 lbs of 99.99% bullion copper.
Buying a pair of 12 foot $5,000 wire is obserd it costs like $30 to make and WBT connectors are also highly inexpensive to make too.
Why do you guys shell out money on a clear fact that you guys are insecure about using low priced stuff and these people know that and take advantage of that.
How do you guys let yourself taken advantage of?
You can buy 38 lbs of 99.99% bullion silver for $10,000 or 4000 lbs of 99.99% bullion copper.
Buying a pair of 12 foot $5,000 wire is obserd it costs like $30 to make and WBT connectors are also highly inexpensive to make too.
Why do you guys shell out money on a clear fact that you guys are insecure about using low priced stuff and these people know that and take advantage of that.
How do you guys let yourself taken advantage of?
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To each his own with what sounds good and what doesn't....but the facts are when it boils down to it you're buying stranded copper that costs cents per foot when wiring like wel signature costs $1000s per foot....many wires cost their price in gold....a 20 foot pair of silver plated copper wel signatures costs nearly 4 pounds of bullion gold. |
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Oh, but it's so much fun to feed the troll! The posts get longer, the implied and discrete invectives get so sharp you can almost see the hair standing on end, the blood pressures rise, the pound of the keys, the muttering at the monitors.... Like a slow-mo car crash where there's no impact, just page after page of roiling rant 'n rave. An audioholic's version of pro wrestling or sumo...IMHO. "I like the sound of the broken pieces, I like the lights and a siren she says..." ;) |
The problem is that components with no scientific or engineering explanation are being sold for enormous sums of money to people who do not understand the need for proper listening tests. Personally, I have wrapped all my ferro-fluid pressurized cables in the special maple tubular veneers sold by mapleshady and it makes an incredible difference as long as I look at the wood grain. When I close my eyes the effect disappears. |
randy-11 The problem is that components with no scientific or engineering explanation are being sold for enormous sums of money to people who do not understand the need for proper listening tests... and this is a "problem" for who, exactly? You? Why should this trouble you so? Why can't each audiophile decide for himself what a "proper" listening test is? |
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Wilkepedia definition of an Internet Troll "....Internet troll In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.." As previously commented on, don't feed the troll. Time for the moderators to step in and (1) simply lock down this crap thread and similar crap ones. If they do not, it's identification by association - full stop. (2) Trolls hide behind that central plank of cowardly anonymity provided by forum monikers and a laissez-fair administration by the moderators above. Trolling can be addressed by an initial stern cease and desist warning by the website moderators for subject matter thst fits the internet troll definition above, a second trolling occurrence creates a six-month forum ban for the troll , and a third strike in trolling is a lifetime ban. |
Geez, what intolerance. If you don't like the thread, nobody forces you to read it. I seriously doubt that all audiophiles are so closed minded that attacking the poster is considered good form. The original thought, that this hobby is loaded with pricey fluff is certainly valid. Yes, it could have been phrased better, no question but good heavens, no room for dissent or we go running for the moderators? Really? |
Well said kqvkq9. I have been an audio enthusiast for many years. Now that I'm retired I find that the factor of diminishing returns plays a big part in the selection of gear and cables. It is my concern that when it becomes more about the high price attached than about value and great sound, the few manufactures out there that make very good sounding and performing equipment, at a reasonable price, will decide the best way to market and sell their equipment is to add a ghastly high price tag - not so good for those of us who can't afford the price of a luxury auto or small house to spend on a nice audio system. |
this thread is specifically about speaker wire and the OP mentions $70,000 who thinks that you should spend more than $10k on speaker wire to improve the sound in your system? who thinks you should spend more than $1k? and mea culpa, I have kimber on mine, but the dealer threw it in when I bought my Maggies and I'm too lazy to swap it out for zip cord |
randy-11 I used to work in 94107, that's by PacBell in San Francisco. The guys at Monster Cable used to come in all the time laughing about their new "Turbo" this and and whatever wonder marketing scheme they could come up with. Of course it all sounded the same. That was, what, 25 years ago and nothing has changed. There is a guy I went to High School with that has had a High End shop forever. One day I was there talking to him and these guys came in complaining about how some megabuck cables they had bought were "Too bright". He gave me a look like it was time for me to get lost while he tried to finesse the know nothing types that had more money than brains. Now everybody has a right to spend their money in a fashion that they see fit. It's nobody's business, not really. The Diamond industry for instance makes zillions selling what is a rather common mineral through tight control and marketing. HiFi marketers have every right to fleece a public begging to be taken. The market is there after all. That doesn't mean that those that point out the obvious are somehow misguided or "trolls". I use zip cord myself. I've tried lots of fancy pants cables in the 40+ years that I've been doing this . That covers many hundreds of amplifiers. Imagination is a hearty part of this hobby. Imagination is good. So is realism... |
Time for the moderators to step in andReally, are we so insecure that every dissenting opinion should be stomped out like the first zombie in an apocalypse? While I couldn't care less what others spend on cables, and I am all about capitalism and pricing based on what the market will bear, I agree with the OP that some cable manufacturers have elevated their product and brand to the point where owning their cables approaches more of a validation of social standing than a good value. But hey, that is simply considered good marketing in many other industries. People will vote with their wallets so why worry about it? |
Why not? If you have already built the perfect listening room with the perfect speakers and an amp to drive them, and upgraded all your programming material to the best mastering.... then why not... I guess because there are much better holes to throw money into - vintage Italian sport cars for example. |
You know what I don't get? Is everyone called me a troll, when in reality, no one really said or could refute that $1,000+ cables are using like $10 worth of copper, $10 worth of silver, and really fancy $3 worth of cable jackets, and expensive fancy connectors that cost like $1 to make. Why not respond to that. Don't call me a troll, if you can't refute the cost to build, and the cost of sale. |
Belden Brilliance. An almost $3 billion dollar company who sells their products to NASA. If I'm not mistaken, 99.99% pure copper. If I'm not mistaken, inductance is very "important" in a wire along with capacitence. $1 a foot in some places. Get some tech flex cable jackets, wbt connectors, and for like $100, you have arguably the best speaker wire on the planet. They could open up a company, and sell it for $1,000 a foot, and no one would know. Price = quality is a joke. https://catalog.belden.com/index.cfm?event=pd&p=PF_1313A https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://info.belden.com/hubfs/resou... |
The same can be said of MANY products. Even more abstract is how services are valued. Ever used the services of a lawyer or doctor? |
