One other thing I think is important is to realize not all "audiophiles" have the same goals for their sonic hobby and one should define what they want out of the hobby for themselves and realize not all will agree with that. If you have a friend who is a good musician or access to a good musician, have them come and play their instrument for you in your listening room. I was surprised at the power of real. |
The room. By a mile. Not even close. Other things can affect the sound but you can actually see them working. You can turn a dial, move a speaker or change a cable But you can't see a room working. So it is often held in less regard. My NAD preamp, old Carver Amp and Salk Songtowers edge out my Don Sachs Preamp, Primaluna Evo amp and Tannoy Turnberry...at much less than half the price. Old house had a hard plaster acoustic ceiling and better dimensions. New room is not bad but it took a lit of work to get it to where it is. And much more to do.
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For myself, it is the artistry of music creation. Most of the time I could care less how my system reproduces the sound or the quality of the recording. It all has to do with the artist. I truly admire the 0.0001% who are able create what we call music. It is something that I was never able to do. For instance, I enjoy listening to Yoko Ono. She is far from an outstanding mainstream artist. Her music can be screeching to the ears. Yet, the effort and passion is exemplary and I enjoy her music because of that. |
@bobpyle , You're welcome...and speaking for the crowd sourced here, we're always more than happy to opine on everything conceivable audio and then some... ;) @boxcarman, here in NC it's what's available at the going rate here in NC and subject to whom you're conspiring with....somethings never seem to change... 🤷♂️ |
@larsman , lars, I think you need to give kob some of your gummies... |
@thecarpathian - gummies? I eat 200mg brownies! 👍😃 |
BS @serjio - Back before modern medicine when the good lord provided us with more disease opportunities and life expectancy was shorter, he at least gave us the hormonal drive to reproduce. And yet you are seeming to be saying that that drive he gave us is somehow a sin to overcome? If that is the case, then why did the good lord bless us with a problem, that is a test, and that we need to pass it to attain his love? It is almost as believable as a magical speaker cable. But thanks for looking out for us with your sage advice. I am not really interested in music labelled as the devils music or the lords music… nor what I should be listening for.
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@holmz I see that you didn’t understand me (my fault - I picked up the wrong words, metaphors) ... In fact, everything is pragmatic - in the context of the "devil" - these are mental, physical and moral deviations, degeneration, lack of development (evolution), stupidity , uncontrolled primitive emotions, and the worst option - a conscious feeling of pleasure - an attraction to all of the above. |
@serjio I think I understood you fine…
It is like he is playing a game with us, where the dice are loaded.
But I like all sorts of music, other than country and death metal… and I even do not mind some country music. |
Following a good start, I am disappointed that responses have now morphed into off-message posts that refer to drugs and religion. The angst between certain posters was not called for and not required. I have made 63 responses and 1 original post on this forum. It has taken me this much activity to realise that this forum is not for me. Thank you and goodbye, BP |
it's funny that you broke down on the most important post that was possible to find ((( America (the headquarters of Satan on the planet Earth) is not the place where it is worth mentioning religion - this is not a priori here. But there are many people (naive or overconfident) who think they know something about this subject (strange - they have never seen it, but they know everything) ... Veterans of the hobby have long since left the site, but that doesn't mean you can't learn something! Listen to what teenagers say (no matter how old they are and how much money they have) and do the opposite ))) |
@bobpyle you are correct. Sadly we cannot stick to what is the sole common thing amongst us. |
Religion and politics, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes I'm not sure I'm in audio forum or some other rabble forum where anger passes for discourse. This thread not too angry yet, but I sense may go that course.
@serjio Soul has it's place in audio, just not in religious context or on this thread. I've been on this site since beginning, most veterans have left due to this morphing off into provocative subjects having nothing to do with audio. Goal of provocateurs is to take over entire forum, make every thread about them and whatever grievance bothers them most at the very moment of post. No end of those grievances. Provocateurs like candles, come on here, burn brightly for short time, then disappear. |
audio - this is what a person eats ... you suggest discussing food and ignoring its effect on the body ??? very superficial look ... think about it . I did not deviate one iota from the essence of the branch (which is the most important thing) ... or are you, unlike me, going to take wire amplifiers and tonearms with you to eternity ??? - something tells me you won't succeed ((( |
I am reminded at this time that: - Atheists have lower rates of unwanted pregnancy - Atheists have higher rates and more thoughts of altruism - Democratic countries with more Atheists have much better social safety nets, i.e. they consider it more important to take care of their fellow humans - Democratic countries with more Atheists take better care of the environment - This is an audio site. People should take their religion, and other issues somewhere else or I will fill the need to remind them of their and their beliefs flaws.
@firstgrowth , the comments may be in jest, but obviously some have access to higher quality than others. |
@serjio Soul as it applies to music or how it touches our emotions is certainly not superficial. Soul as it applies to religion is the superficial, always rating one soul as superior to another, anger and hate, wars, blah, blah, blah. One belongs here, the other save it for rabble forums, tons of those around. |
What a sensible statement.
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Except @nonoise, the Jewish genetic deviation is one of the lowest of any races, and in theory in the time of the bible, at least Jesus, could have been Ashkenazi, who by the most recent genetic studies have a predominantly European genetic lineage maternally, and middle eastern paternal lineage (which can often be fair skinned). So who is to stay whether people in the Bible were white, olive, brown, black or whatever. A significant portion would have been fairer skinned, and a significant portion likely more olive/light brown, but even if genetically fairer skinned, their genetic lineage, coupled with lack of sunscreen would have resulted in a deep tan on observed skin. But the bigger question of course is what the heck that has to do with audio let alone this conversation? When were philes ever big on facts? |
@theaudioamp , coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't really give one an out on that. As for what it has to do with audio, it was largely a jab at sergio, who hates Americans, is very sympathetic to Russia, and likes to crap on threads after he took a drubbing for his stance on an older thread that went sideways. All the best, |
I have no more issue with the average Russian than I do with the average Chinese person. They are victim of decades of abuse and propaganda from their own governments. In my travels, I have found that every day Russians and Chinese people are more like us than a lot of people from other countries. Russia as a monolith I have no sympathy for, but I think any person using common sense is the same. |
oh no - it's not like that at all ... for Sergio it makes no difference who is in front of him: an American, a Spaniard or a Russian - he looks at what kind of person he is! I traveled half the world (not as a tourist) - lived in different countries - I have the opportunity to compare ... |
At that point will I even care? I'll just leave it to the next generation of audiophiles who hopefully will enjoy it as much as I did. OP for me the most important is the enjoyment. Whether it be the music, the technical aspect, or the friends I meet along the way. Sometimes it brings me pleasure, sometimes it brings me sorrow but I enjoy it all just the same. |
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