"Synergistic Research - Audioholics challenge" His title to that ** boob tube video. As he already been offered the "Audioholics Challenge" here many times to back his "snake oil" disciples on what they say on these forums about his fuses, HRT's, UEF's, and has not accepted or responded not even once. Any other honest manufacturer would be biting at the bit to come on if invited, to back their product. Cheers George |
oregonpapa, "Your colleague should study the difference between perfect and imperfect markets. :-)" I will let him know, but I suspect what he will ask. What is the benefit of using a real estate agent in the times of the Internet? Things get checked very quickly and facts are readily available. Even car dealers have been seriously affected. Well, most anything has been affected and, in many cases, made simpler and more straightforward. I will ask him tomorrow, maybe I guessed his response wrong. |
A fascinating proposal and discussion. Will it be taken up and what will be the result? douglas_schroeder2,971 postsPersonally I believe even subtle improvements are worthwhile and it would be crazy to dismiss them simply because they are not easily discernible. Is there really anything wrong with focused listening? |
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ozzy, you ask some fair questions: My answers: My "axe to grind" is with poor methods; some companies make products that I feel are used with poor methods. I have no particular disdain for SR, but I do for poor methods. Let whoever wishes disagree with me. So be it. The track record of my posts shows that many times I have had cordial disagreements and friendly debates with people here. I am not interested in attacking companies through stealth operations, i.e. buying and then putting out a hit job on them. Such articles would never get published, and rightly so. I never consider product sent to be a frieebie; it would be returned at the end of the period, or purchased. Anything left on loan to use for reviewing is always considered the company's regardless of the time span. I even contact companies over time to request return of products that have been sitting. |
I don’t have a pony in this race, I’m personally not a fan of SR products... but if any of this https://www.audioholics.com/editorials/synergistic-research is true, Ted is indeed a scumbag. It would still be an interesting exercise either way. |
True? Who cares, Gene and Ethen Winters have been attacking EVERY one on earth sense the beginning of time. What did they expect would happen. BOTH guys spout the same stuff. They keep trying to PROVE WHAT?.. The whole point.. We have a choice to BUY or NOT. They act like THEY got ripped off. It is literally none of their damn business.. It's like taking a personal stance against Ford motor company for not making cars LOOK like GM and how dare they charge more or less if you think it's NOT worth it.. Buy the GM.. No one is under obligation to prove anything. BUT there it is, put up or shut up.. You reap what you sow.. I expect some nasty crap to come out of it, if the brother in arms, don't put a cork in it.. No need to expect anything different. I just want to SEE it happen, magic ear on the way... |
I’m personally not a fan of SR products...Wouldn’t be a surprise, he gives a used car/real estate salesman feeling in his video to counter it Cheers George |
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@geof3 I don't own any SR products and I have seen several of Gene's Audioholics video's. It amuses me that a man (Gene) thinks he can slander a company and its products but when they stand up for themselves and fight back, he becomes the victim. Here is a novel idea, don't talk shyte about anyone and they probably won't talk shyte about you. Especially on the internet hiding behind a keyboard or a camera. The minute you do you are fair game. |
https://www.audioholics.com/editorials/synergistic-research Agree if this is true, Ted is truly a scumbag. And I repeat IF true. On the other hand I've never been to Audioholics site until now based on the link. So sad for both parties. |
ticat, thank you; I attempt to conduct myself with integrity, and although there have been moments when I have not been as courteous as I should, I also attempt to show respect to the community. I simply find such informal experimentation to be one of my great joys, along with system building. The spectrum of performance in audio systems is stunningly vast, with millions of iterations possible. It is like being on a world tour of secret destinations of great beauty. I want to see (hear) them all! Variety of experiences in listening is THE thing for me, and you do not get variety by sitting on your a-- and doing nothing. It has led to some fascinating experiences; another has just appeared this past week, another variant of systems that I put together and has been delightful. Not discussing that at this time, but it may appear in an upcoming review. I have made my points, and publicly offered my proposal to SR. I do not intend to continue discussing it here, as it is somewhat off topic. I suspect the proposal will be ignored by SR. May all the combatants on both sides of the issue of cables enjoy the latest battle in The Cable Wars! Imo, it’s a colossal waste of life and potential of the hobby when arguing about such things if people don’t even follow basic, proper methods. :) |
pedroeb, didn't mean to ignore you. Succinctly, I compare/informally test for any change. The articles I wrote previously about the grouped tweaks yielded no discernible change! If there is change, then the question becomes one of merit. Ok, keep shooting; can't let the other side win, even though it's a convoluted mess. ;) |
May all the combatants on both sides of the issue of cables enjoy the latest battle in The Cable Wars! Imo, it’s a colossal waste of life and potential of the hobby when arguing about such things if people don’t even follow basic, proper methods. :) I agree. I don’t mind people pitching anything, even pricey fuses, but it is often done in a vacuum seemingly for the sole purpose of getting others to buy product X, which comes of as shilling. If you ignore fundamentals first, or get those wrong, none of the more esoteric things really matter. |
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Just how many here are going to say they have no dog in this fight but....blah, blah, blah, then Ted is a scumbag? Can one say the same of Gene? Bunch of nonsense. Also, copping out with some demand of neutral territory is a red herring, at best. Everything looks to be out in the open. Swapping out items is done right in front of you. Does anyone think Ted has devices in his walls or anything as ludicrous? I’ve been to audio shows where SR has done their demos. Yes, the differences were there and as evident as one could want. Were they better, or just different, it depended, but they were obvious. And yet, there were always some clowns whispering and laughing amongst themselves about how there was no difference at all. You know the type: like the ones in grade school who thought that saying it just loud enough to be heard but not out in the open made them a man because they got it out and no one protested. Now, either they were tone deaf or of the mind to just flat out dismiss what they heard because it wasn’t big enough for them. Or, they had some know it all theory as to why and ran with that. Then, they come on forums like this and harp away. All the best, Nonoise |
Using a neutral site isn't a red herring it's basic protocol to get an unbiased response but short of that there should be a third party who covers the cables being tested in a generic sleeve who gives them to another neutral party that switches them out. If the cables can be defined better than chance you have something other than that it's pissing in the wind. |
+1 for nonoise ... The first time I sat through a Ted Denney presentation at one of the shows, I was amazed at the difference his A/B comparisons made. Very obvious to me. However, the guy sitting next to me asked me if I heard a difference. I said it was amazing. He sneered, as only a total dweeb can sneer, and said that he heard no difference whatsoever. I said ... find a different hobby. He said "F-You. I laughed and said ... this is no time for romance. He stormed out in a GeorgieHifi rage. Frank |
unobtaniumears ... "I must laugh at the people making excuses for a bully and who believe that these placebo products do anything." Just curious ... which of the many SR products did you try in your home? When you heard no improvement, did you have any problem getting your money back as promised by the 30-day return policy? Hmm, only one post. Your name wouldn't be Gene by any chance, would it? Frank |
I always thought when I retired I would grow my hair long, drink wine, and smoke dope. I am 69 now; and am bald, decided I don't like hangovers, and pot is still illegal in Indiana. At least I can read threads like this one. Very witty and entertaining personalities. Don't stop; otherwise I would have nothing to do in my mancave except listen to tunes! |
You’re the only one I know of who’s screamed his fool head off over a challenge of sorts; on how Ted should come on this forum and what, debate the likes of you? Your the fuser fool for paying $150+ for a 10cent fuse, and he had his chance many times not just by me but many others to come on here to this public forum and defend what you fools say about his mains fuses and the direction it put in and his other snake oil products. https://www.audioholics.com/editorials/synergistic-research |
Not a SR fan. Sorry. I guess that makes me a bad audiophile. Oh well...
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't have to be a fan of anything to be an audiophiler. You have to be a fan of music, and hearing what YOU want. Being able to make the music sound the way you like, THAT is audio heaven.. Grading the audiophiler 1 to 10. Being happy but never quite satisfied, 10 SR just happens to fill the bill for some, not others.. I want a brand NEW Roller.. Some folks like an OLD Studebaker. Regards |
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Hey Georgie, how many times do I have to tell you I don't own any SR products? You keep harping on me that I do so what's your problem? I've even gone on the record (many times) that I don't think anyone needs to pay anywhere near $150 for a fuse to get better sound so again, what's your problem? And, it must be nice to have Admin working your corner as I've reported your insults for deletion and yet I get the notice that mine is being deleted, but they cite your abusive post (8 above this one) as the one that I wrote. How nice for you, mate. Keep on with the hate knowing that Admin's got your back. 👍 All the best, Nonoise |
You just don’t get it, must be something about being a fuser but they cite your abusive post (8 above this one) as the one that I wrote.a retaliatory post to your personal abusive **** post, that’s what that was. If you were a nicer person they they would leave you alone. Take the hint, and stop the personal abuse posts and it won’t come back at you as retaliatory posts. |
Georgie, you just don't get it, do you? You're the most abusive person around here. Looks like you can dish it out but can't take it. And another thing, having Admin baby sit you and citing your post as the abusive one in their communication with me is not the reason why mine was deleted. It's favoritism on their part. Evidently, they found your post abusive as well when researching my flagging of your post and just deleted mine, but cited yours. It's just a flimsy excuse on your part as you enjoy being baby sat. All the best, Nonoise |
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zxsjBzgHfKmfoYJp0cyKCQUciGjPXI5iK4Tthn4XCjJYWLsZnEjuHeXBdGx3... And stop putting **** on admin in your posts, they do an amazing job of keeping these forum pages from turning into a "snake oil" free for all, they know who shilling and whose not and just a gullible fuser. And they also keep a lid on personal abuse, especially when the abusee has not even engaged the abuser directly personally in any way. |
