Synergistic calls out Audioholics


Curious to see what Gene does...

https://youtu.be/PKLuLfj2iC4


perkri

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Yeah, heard it on the news, and was wondering what was going to happen with that discussion.

SR has been in business coming up on 30 years.

(Many of those with the internet throwing its "stuff" around)

One would think, if what they produced was snake oil, the company would have not lasted this long...
@douglas_schroeder 

Did you just use the word "terse"?

Trying to understand.

So, you are saying that the Teo cables need to be used throughout, as a system per the manufacturers recommendation. 

Ted, recommends that his risers be used in conjunction with his cables - i.e. a system. And yet you do not accept that as a valid approach?

Synergy is kind of everything.

Its even in the companies name - Synergistic Research :)

Not trying to defend SR in particular, but I am trying to understand your methodology and how it applies to your redirection of the thread.




@douglas_schroeder

Unless I'm mistaken, I have not commented on the performance on any given specific cable, or system of cables? Nor have I made any claim to having a global understanding of cables. I was merely asking for clarification as to why the entire signal path requires a singular cable manufacturers product in order to be able to ascertain its efficacy. And why a systemic approach is required in one instance and not in an other. And I think you said that Ted wanted the two reviewed as a "system"? He is the manufacturer, is he not?

I am very much enjoying your opportunistic and over the top self promotion.

Quite a segue from a discussion around a video where a manufacturer calls out a, not sure what to call Gene, oh right, a reviewer! A segue to where you are promoting a, wait for it, review of gear that is completely unrelated and irrelevant to the topic at hand. As an aside, didn't Krell have protective circuitry on there KSAs series amps back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, amps were powered by their own dedicated nuclear plant and cooled with by a nearby waterfall?


Could turn this into a Pay-per-View thing. Get the Norwegians involved and have them produce a "slow TV" event where it all happens in real time, 24/7, from the time Gene steps out of his home until he returns.

Great way for Ted to handle this though. And given that Ted deals in product for the "initiated", and Gene's audience is far from being "initiated", to Gene's audience, Ted's product is an easy thing to call BS on. Ted produces product that is very much at the cutting edge of audio gear, so people have an easy time doubting its merit.

Would love to hear Gene say "$hiit, it works..."


I put butter and salt on my popcorn, but somehow I think that doesn't measure up...


@dekay 

Well, I tried the salt from 5'8".

It got all over the carpet...

If I had put the pumpernickel on some kind of elevation device, the salt wouldn't have gone all over the place. A riser perhaps, so the salt maintained a greater uniformity when it made contact with the grain.

And calling yourself jerkface because of someones yeast infection, is a bit harsh. I would certainly never use such harsh language should you not agree that raising the pumpernickel would make a difference to the salt flow.






@ozzy 

I think Douglas was just being "terse"...

The way a principle is to their kindergarten students :)


@dronepunk

Interesting.

So you know Ted?

I gather he has somehow wronged you directly?

Or is this just from what others have said about him?

Or perhaps, the fact that he speaks about his product with absolute certainty?
To continue with wine as an analogy...

Pairing is critical. Great pairing will elevate a modest wine. Terrible pairing can make a great wine undrinkable.

Much like synergy in a system, be that components or tweaks.

I had friends who I trusted when they would suggest a wine. And, they are very much capable of describing what it is about this wine they like. So, I knew if I picked up a product they suggested, it would be something I would enjoy depending on what it was being paired with.

Now, if someone I don't know goes off on a product - for positive or negative reasons - that I don't know, then I really know nothing about that product.

At this point, it's up to me to do my research and see if it's something I want to try.

But I am not going to jump to conclusions about a product I have no direct personal experience with.

If I am unable to hear the difference of changing something out, or trying something new, then it most likely is something I do not need and I should consider looking elsewhere to "improve" on my music listening experience.

Having said that, no tweak is an island...


@georgehifi


Well, why would he come here? So closed minded folks - who will not listen (Or are incapable of listening...) - can cement their closed-minded attitudes?

Why?

He might as well head over to Audioholics and do the same there.

 Results wouldn't be much different.
Love it!

He is putting his money where his mouth is, thats for sure!

Wonder how many of the members over at Audioholics who are so angry about SR's product  have ever heard any of the SR products?


@prof 

Hahaha.

Thats funny.

You forgot how the election in the US was rigged and JC is the son of god

The thing is, the people who are constantly taking a dump on SR, have never heard their products.

The internet is a fools paradise. Hence there are things like QAnon, flat earthers, Covid deniers etc...

Loads of pseudo intellectuals who think they are making a relevant point by comparing apples and oranges.

I have yet to read a single post from anyone who has actually bought SR's products and then proceeded to lambaste them for having been sold a pile of crap.


And no, your analogy is completely without merit.

If it sounds better, then it works.

Super simple.

Like I said, and I think you have actually proven my point .

I have a problem with narrow minded, closed minded ignorance.


@prof 

Heres the thing, the products are real, they actually exist. You can hold them, touch them and listen to them. If they don’t work, you can return them.

This isn’t about me being for or against one company, tweak, approach or what someone appreciates in a system as far as how it sounds.

I have a problem with blind, closed minded ignorance.

Suspect I’m going to hear something along the lines of “If someone told me that if I  put feathers in my pockets, i could fly, I wouldn’t be running to try and jump off a building either. Not unless they could show me measurements...”

Looking forward to the next ridiculous analogy...


@prof 

If you were provided with a full spec sheet of any/all products, would you be able to translate those specs into something meaningful? Something you could interpret and explain to someone else that “these should sound like this because of that..”

Every detail and tech tidbit outlined: inductance, capacitance, resistance, magnetic fields generated/isolated, shielding from EMI, noise filtration, a 1khz sine wave in, same wave measured at the other end. And measured at multiple lengths to show what, if any decay or distortion of the signal occurs. How well is that signal protected by shielding so nothing effects the signal?

somehow, I think not.


@djones
Interesting  re: FDA. 
It does have some curious responses to things at times. 
I heard a comedian on the radio, part of his routine was a bit where he suggested that all warning labels should be removed from everything, and those still alive after three years, deserves to be here. 
 https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/food/5642404/are-kinder-joy-eggs-banned-in-the-us/

Well, suggesting they are clowns, is giving them too much credit as that would require they be creative and have imagination - something that is clearly lacking.

@georgehifi

”I know you are, but what am I...” - classic childish response.

@prof 

Comparing swapping a cable and listening for the difference is nothing like homeopathy or astrology. The result is tangible, and immediate. A singular variable.
Problem is, when you are incapable of deciding for yourself if it makes a difference, be that for the better or worse, that shows a complete lack of confidence in your own judgement. It speaks to a insecurity of your own abilities.

If you were to arrive in someone’s listening room, and be blown away by the sound quality of the system, would you ask for specs and measurements in order toco firm what you are hearing?

imaginewhat innovations would exist in the world if people all thought as you. There would be very few. Sorry, I forgot, imagination is something you have been deprived of.
This refusal to be open minded about possibilities beyond your own myopic outlook on the world is the kind of closed minded, fearful thinking that had women burned at the stake for being “witches”
How many of the technological advancements that we take for granted now would’ve viewed as magic a few centuries ago?
I’m a pragmatist at heart. Science and math were at the core of my education. I however dropped out of pre med to pursue a career in the creative world. Left and right sides of my brain are in balance. My first child really suffered with teething. Loads of crying and fevers. When the second arrived, someone suggested them wear an amber necklace to help alleviate the pain. So, bought the $20 necklace and had them wear it. No teething issues. Perhaps he would have been spared the pain just because of his make up. Perhaps the necklace helped. Either way, I don’t care. He was spared the pain for whatever reason. When someone has a child who is starting teething, I share my story with the caveat I have no idea if it works or not, but it’s harmless and is $20. Not one child that tried the necklace suffered from the teething. Again, who knows what the cause was, could all be a fluke.
I suppose you have zero faith in Shiatsu, Acupuncture, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy or Biodynamic Farming either?  

Again, I have yet to see a single post where someone who bought SR’s product were slamming it and claiming they were ripped off.

04-15-2021 3:09pmOh yeah children choking to death because their parents are dumber than rocks is freaking hilarious. I heard a comedian on the radio....
Guess the state is required to keep kids safe from their idiotic parents.  Especially from those dangerous chocolate eggs. Assault rifles are AOK however. 
Parents who don’t/can’t monitor properly. Easier to have children than it is to get a drivers license. And we all see how great drivers are...
@prof

Measurements have their place. They are where the journey begins, not where it ends. 
I am not a manufacturer of audio gear, I am a consumer. I have an audience of one. A unique and highly specific audience. Me. 
If I hear something I like, I don’t care what causes it. As I am the beginning, middle, and end of my listening experience, the reason why it works or doesn’t is irrelevant. 
If I were a manufacturer, then those numbers may be of interest to some. 
Curious, two capacitors, different manufacturers with identical measurements will not have the same sonic signature. Two tubes, different manufacturers with the same measurements will not have the same sonic signature. 
It is not difficult to find two uniquely different amplifiers that have the same measurements, and yet sound vastly different. 
Measurements. What measurements? What standards? 
History is full of examples of scientists who theorized a particular reason for a phenomenon. Then they sought to prove their thesis. In the margins of their notes, you can see how they modify their calculus in order to have the equation validate their thesis. 
Measurements and the scientific method. 
I have no problem with measurements. But like I said, they are where the journey begins. And what do the measurements mean sonically in my system?
This hobby is one small part of what I do with my time. More so during the last year as CV19 has shut down my day job. 
Have you ever designed and built a speaker? Listened to how the volume of the enclosure, the size and length of the port, the crossover design, crossover point, damping and stuffing effect the sound? There are all kinds of equations to aide in this process. In the past year, I have built some 2 dozen unique speakers. A purely creative and exploratory process. Doing, and listening. No preconceived notions of what should generate a better result. Just listening. 
A handful of stuffing behind the driver in a 300ltr enclosure, will effect the sound quality. 
There is no measurements that will predict those nuanced effects and if I will like or dislike the sonic effect.

I need to hear it to know if I like it.

Do any of Stereophiles measurements tell you how the gear will sound?

@mikado430


 Well, it’s a bit late for that. Gene is kind of put himself in a bad place. Read through the recent posts above. If has left the building, when and how are what remain


George,

Have you ever heard any of his products? If so, which ones and where?

Simple yes or no question.
@georgehifi

Understood.

You have been closed minded, lacking of creativity/imagination, willingness to step outside of your teeny tiny little world for a very long time.

I suspect this shows that you are, as well as all of the above, incapable of personal growth or expanding your experience of the world.

Good to know. And I’m so happy that not all are as you. We would not be able to use computers and communicate via the internet, Fly in airplanes, travel to the moon, create vaccines etc...
@mikado463.

Even stating something of that nature with an “if” in front of it is beyond irresponsible if you do not have irrefutable proof...

But, I guess you are trying to skew the court of public opinion.

@georgehifi. 


Looks like Ted is on AGon. You have been daring him to come here. Your time to shine, now is your chance to confront directly. Making my popcorn now...

Suspect it will have to be enjoyed during my Friday night movie as I doubt you will rise to the occasion 
@helomech.

Have you tried any of the products? Do you have first hand experience with them? Were you ripped off by the company?
Regarding cables, I have been using the same Kimber cables for years. Never tried to change them out with anything better or worse. The set up sounds quite good to my ears, I’m not a “chaser” of these things.  But I did have something interesting happen recently. While making changes to the components in a crossover I’m working on, I had to swap out the hook up wires as I had to move the crossover outside of the enclosure so I could more easily make changes to the components. I had run out of the 16ga I was using and had to switch to some very questionable 20ga wire. 
All of a sudden, Bill Charlap’s piano was distorting like crazy around the 1K mark. 
Wires. That was the cause. 
@makido463. 

Got it. You’re just spreading unsubstantiated rumors. Very honorable of you. 
Kind of like how the election in the states went the other way right? So much more to
it, but no actual facts. 
@edgewoundtootightly. 

Have you ever tried any of their products, or is your opinion based on speculation? Everyone is of course entitled to their opinion, and we all have an equal right to hold on to our opinions. All opinions are not, however of equal value or merit. Opinions are like butts. Everyone has one. Some are amazing, but most are full of $chiit... Thoughts are not facts and beliefs are not truths...
@georgehifi. 
Thankfully, your personality defects are really of no relevance to the wellbeing of the greater population. 
Ignorance and arrogance. Terrible combination. Much horror has been bestowed on many people throughout time because of this combination...
I’m wondering why the naysayers are nay saying?

Wait, is that a double negative?

Curious to hear how the Lightspeed sounds. 
Hey George, just wondering what RCA connectors and hook up wire you use on the Lightspeed.