I know we talk a lot about confirmation bias- we buy something and then convince ourselves we like it. Or something like that. But did you ever buy something you wanted to love and just couldn’t make it work? For me, Esoteric X-05 SACD/CD player. Bought from a local who was upgrading to the X-03. Big, beautiful piece of gear, but I couldn’t get used to the sound after 6 months of trying. Sold it to another local- I insisted he listen before he bought and I believe he sold it soon after as well. Totem Forest and Hawk. I loved the whole concept. Slim, easy to live with. Couldn’t get them to work in my room. The Model Ones were much better. I had a couple of other pieces, but this is long enough. BTW, these were bought used without audition.
We are defined by our love... Nevermind the rest of which we are indifferent...
I love so passionnately some musicians and composers all the others can be put way behind the scene for me... It does not means they are not great... They are for some others people...
«Love is more merciless than an executioner who kill at least according to a law»-- Groucho Marx🤓
No Chet Baker. No Ella. No Ellington. No Armstrong. No B. Holiday. No Basie. No Dolphy. Gee, I must really hate Jazz! Actually,I don’t hate any of the above. There are simply other Jazz artists to whom I’d rather listen.
@knock1 - I guess I should have said if you don't like Kind of Blue, you don't enjoy listening to jazz. You are equating not liking it to disliking it. There is a difference.
hey @stuartk - you like progressive jazz , which is what I initially liked when it was current when I was in college. My taste evolved when I got older and started listening to "real" jazz (Sirius' designation, not mine). I still mix some of the progressive stuff in - Pat Metheny, Earl Klugh, George Benson, Lee Ritneour, Grover, Bob James, and even a little Spyro Gyra when the mood strikes). It's OK if your taste never evolved....
I like a lot European and many others countries jazz...Most are focussed on American jazz for sure... 😊
I am fond of bebop hard bop and all bop variations too numerous to name but viewing the list of jazz styles i like a lot more than i could name... etc...😁😋😎
A style of music and improvisation that combines avant-garde art music and composition with jazz. It originated in the 1950s and developed through the 1960s.
Bebop or bop is a style of jazz characterized by a fast tempo, instrumental virtuosity, and improvisation based on a combination of harmonic structure and occasional references to the melody.
Cape jazz (more often written Cape Jazz) is a genre of jazz that is performed in the southernmost part of Africa, the name being a reference to Cape Town, South Africa.
Dixieland music or New Orleans jazz, sometimes referred to as hot jazz or early jazz, is a style of jazz music which developed in New Orleans at the start of the 20th century. Stylistically it is essentially a form of Ragtime, typically transposed for brass band, banjo and/or clarinet.
Ethno jazz, a form of ethno music, is sometimes equaled to world music or is regarded as its successor, particularly before the 1990s. An independent meaning of "ethno jazz" emerged around 1990.
Free improvisation is improvised music without any specific rules. By itself, free improvisation can be any genre, it isn’t necessarily jazz. Free jazz musicians make use of free improvisation to alter, extend, or break down jazz convention, often by discarding fixed chord changes, tempos, melodies, or phrases. Ornette Coleman was an early and noted advocate of this style.
A style of jazz music often said to have been started by guitarist Jean "Django" Reinhardt in the 1930s. The style was originally called "hot club" or "hot jazz" and served an acoustic European interpretation of swing. The term "gypsy jazz" didn’t appear until after the 1970s, when Sinti people adapted their folk music to emulate that of Django’s.
Although not a distinct style, this is typically used to refer to songs that include idiomatic "jazz" embellishments to the standard form, such as the use of extended harmony and chord substitutions. At a minimum, jazz blues usually include a ii–V progression in place of the simple V chord and a I–VI/vi–ii–V turnaround at the end of the form.
Jazz-funk is a subgenre of jazz music characterized by a strong back beat (groove), electrified sounds, and an early prevalence of analog synthesizers.
Jazz rap is a fusion subgenre of hip hop music and jazz, developed in the late 1980s and early 1990s. The lyrics are often based on political consciousness, Afrocentrism, and general positivism.
A comparatively accessible, "retro" genre that emerged in the 1980s as a stylistic reaction against free jazz and jazz fusion. Notably associated with Wynton Marsalis.
The name given to the renewed interest in swing music from the 1930s and 40s. Many neo-swing bands practiced contemporary fusions of swing, jazz, and jump blues with rock, punk rock, ska, and ska punk music or had roots in punk, ska, ska punk, and alternative rock music.
A form of slow or erratic contemporary jazz. Jazz noir (also known as "doom jazz" or "dark jazz") is noted for its often somber, mysterious or even sinister tone. It takes inspiration from film noir soundtracks and dark ambient music.[4]
A genre of small-combo jazz that assimilates hard bop, modal jazz, avant-garde and free jazz without necessarily being immediately identifiable as any of those forms
The amalgamation of elements of the jazz tradition (usually free jazz and jazz fusion of the 1960s and 1970s) with the instrumentation or conceptual heritage of punk rock
Music derived by fusing the melodic content of jazz with the rhythmic and harmonic content of early Jamaican Music introduced by the "Fathers of Ska" in the late 1950s. It is sometimes considered a subgenre of Third-Wave Ska.
In general a smooth jazz track is downtempo (the most widely played tracks are in the 90–105 BPM range), layering a lead, melody-playing instrument (saxophones – especially soprano and tenor – are the most popular, with guitars a close second) over a backdrop that typically consists of programmed rhythms and various synth pads and/or samples.
A form of Jazz created in the 1960s with roots from the previous two decades. It omits elements from rock music and free jazz that began to appear in this period, instead putting more emphasis on acoustic instruments and a more conventional sound.
I have had many. But what sticks out in my mind is the Sonic Frontiers equipment.
I had the CD Player and the Dac. The player must have had the Phillips transport and never really worked right. Disc's were constantly getting stuck inside. I had to take the cover off to get them out! Sonic Frontiers-Chris kept blaming it on bad discs. Never honoring the warranty.
@cleedsI remember reading one of your posts from last year where you mentioned you replaced the Aurender with a Bryston BDP-3. I sent you a message earlier today with some questions about the Bryston. If you get a chance, could you please share your thoughts?
Schiit. Tried many of their products including, yet not limited to, Freya Freya +, Mani, Yaggy OG A2, Vidar and the Skoll. Not sure what it is but after a period of time, quite unbecoming to these ears.
I've tried a number of things that have been well reviewed, or seemed to have found favor among different forum residents, across several forums. They've all had strengths and weaknesses.
Superphon Revelation II pre
McCormack DNA 0.5 Deluxe amp
Forte Model 3 amp, restored
Adcom 5400 amp, restored
Acurus L10 pre
These were all okay, but lacked any exceptional greatness or synergy with anything else I had on hand at the time. On the other hand, a Nak CA5, or a B&K Pro-10 MC, both of those were really pretty good SS preamps, and matched well with many other pieces.
Schitt equipment was mostly unlucky for me, although I did like the Asgard 2 for a good while.
I don't know what Progressive Jazz is. My favorite sub-genre is, without question, Post-Bop:
A genre of small-combo jazz that assimilates hard bop, modal jazz, avant-garde and free jazz without necessarily being immediately identifiable as any of those form.
Wanted to love the Devore O/93 but they made my ears ring. Love all other Devore speakers and tried several amps and even put them in another room for a while.
Lygndorf was bad to me. So much hype way back in the day but I just couldn't handle the sound.
Me too @stuartk(as far as my jazz preferences-tilted toward blues). I guess I was thinking progressive as jazz fusion or jazz funk, really 70's-80's stuff. @knock1 - I'm not talking about audiophile labeling at all. Not sure why you mentioned me about punching someone's audiophile card.
Music preferences do not define audiophiles. And audiophile doesn't compose any specific music preferences. Any type of music along with an audiophile designation represent 2 overlapping circles in a Venn diagram. Or "audiophile" can be a large circle in the middle with each type of music having a circle overlapping it to some degree in the diagram. Some overlap more than others....
I would classify "Kind of Blue" as Modal, rather than Post Bop. Yes, I own it but it's been years since I've listened to it with any regularity. I was introduced to it in 1976, at a point when I was first getting into Jazz by listening to the most well-known Jazz recordings. A few years later, I took a college survey course in Jazz appreciation, in the interest of furthering my familiarity with the genre. It took awhile to get a sense of which artists and recordings particularly resonated with me. The Penguin Guide to Jazz was very helpful in this regard. It listed recordings you won't find mentioned in lists of "greatest Jazz records" or such. Just as with Visual Art, Poetry or any other esthetic field of expression, I trust and follow my own inclinations.
Please do me the following favor: put on “Bye Bye Blackbird” from “Round About Midnight”, listen to it with fresh ears, and please let us know what you think.
People who cannot fathom the fact that we dont like the same styles or genres that they idolize have no idea what music is...
Music adress us where we are ...
Thinking that we are in a contest or a race about what is the best is complete delusion...
listen to this and do me a favor, i think that this man is one of the great musician on this century as Yehudi Menuhin thought also , is it not better than Bye bye Blackbird ? 😊
As you can see we are not from the same mold... ( i like Miles and Chet by the way ) but this dude walk on another planet ... 😁
With all due respect, I don’t see the purpose of this exercise.
You could’ve just as easily suggested any one of 100’s of other Jazz recordings and my response would be the same: I recognize the talent and artistic merit but feel more deeply affected by something else.
I could say the same for much visual art, much poetry, etc. It is entirely possible to recognize the merit of an artwork while at the same time feeling less engaged by it than some other artwork.
There is nothing wrong with having preferences and we needn’t justify our preferences; indeed, the reasons for our preferences are not always easily discernible.
However, if our default mode is automatically judging whatever we like as "good" and whatever we don’t like as "bad", that’s a problem, in my view. To clarify, I’m not suggesting you are doing this! I’m merely drawing a comparison.
This video explains that Elahi designed an instrument with two strings that are deliberately not quite in tune. I noticed this effect as soon as I began listening to the track. This is a very different approach than what I’m used to as a guitar player!
Wow. The purpose was simply to share with another member a piece of music I love, and to see if you might love it as well. That’s all. I’d be a little surprised if you didn’t, but wouldn’t judge you. And of course it wouldn’t diminish my love one way or another.
Btw, it’s my desert island song. if I had to choose just one.
His life is amazing...His father was himself a writer and a sufi mystic out of city life...
he was merely fasting and praying all day long younger... But he sees spiritual life too easy this way... He goes in the world to change it by his action and fortify his own resolve and meditate not in the confort of a cave but in city life ...
He is a mystic of high level and his music is not well recorded because he only play in private and family and with selected invitation only for prayers... He improvised to play... he was considered at ten years old as the greatest master of tanbur...
his music is only to tune our consciousness toward ectasy by God presence ...
all recording were made by disciples using tape recorder ... he never played for show or in public...
no other musician i hear is so impressive on a string instruments as improvisation ...very complex rythmic ...
His music is not so much beautiful as captivating and moving as a lava flow carrying all heart... We cannot understand is music out of understanding a true prayer : attention focus on pure love...
By the way Yehudi Menuhin goes to see the musician praying with his tanbur, and he said that it was the greatest musical experience of his life.. I bought the first cd because of this recommendation ...
As you had heard his tanbur was unique because no one had one with these two chords tuned as vibrating drones...
His music is not classical persian music...He improvize it all ...
This video explains that Elahi designed an instrument with two strings that are deliberately not quite in tune. I noticed this effect as soon as I began listening to the track. This is a very different approach than what I’m used to as a guitar player!
My only point was that any jazz enthusiast ALMOST always is a fan of Kind of Blue. It is recognized as the most popular and accessible jazz album of all time to even the non-jazz listener. It is unique in the makeup of the band in all of Miles' records and sounds unique among them. At least @stuartkyou admit to owning it. It's very possible you are tired of it or it isn't enjoyable to you so you don't regularly play it. Anyone else out there consider themselves a jazz fan and not like KoB? If so, what are your favorite jazz albums?
Surprisingly, I find Cannonball's Somethin' Else more similar to it than most if not any of Miles' other records. And not surprisingly I guess, it's my second favorite jazz album.
Three great jazz albums were released in 1959. If you said your favorite was "Kind of Blue" or "Take Five," I would not be sure that you are a serous jazz fan--those great albums were loved by Jazz fans and those who only casually listened to jazz. But, if you said "Shape of Jazz to Come," I would KNOW you are a jazz fan.
I proposed that any great jazz afficionado must admire Sun Ra...
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I like kind of blue this does not means that i do not in fact listen more often to many others albums...
People dont understand that what is the "best of hits " and the most liked is good for sure but it cannot be the best for all and not also the favorite listening for many...
Whatever I say, you repeatedly miss the point, so I don't see what's to be gained by continuing. I harbor no ill will toward you but this clearly isn't working.
This is why there is so much great musicians to love... No one is greater than all the others...
It is also a soul affair between the musician and us... Not a public affair ...
Then it makes no sense to impose some piece of someone saying you must like this if not you are not a jazz lover...
i idolize Sun Ra album with Walt Dickerson ( my favorite vibraphonist) as an album as among the greatest as many others cited here and well known if not for me greater 😊..
My Denafrips Terminator II never convinced - I sold it on after comparing it in my system with a Gustard R26 w/ external clock, which for my tastes was on par with the Terminator for less than half the price.
Jazz is a easy avenue for fairly untalented "artists" to hide. They may be fairly proficient with an instrument, but, lacking heavily when you need to go beyond that...The average juicehead, of course, thinks he is "bourgeois" only if he claims he likes jazz! Jazz miyazz schnazz, lol
After insulting me which is not a big deal, you propose insulting claims about a genre including the musicians and his public , your disparaging meaningless remarks dont surprize me ...
I love jazz by the way among many others genres...
Jazz is a easy avenue for fairly untalented "artists" to hide. They may be fairly proficient with an instrument, but, lacking heavily when you need to go beyond that...The average juicehead, of course, thinks he is "bourgeois" only if he claims he likes jazz! Jazz miyazz schnazz, lol
Since "Kind of Blue" is being knocked about at the moment I need to ask a question. My digital copy has an odd thing that may or may not be natural. The opening horn is making a sound much like that of spittle being blown through the mouthpiece. It could also be distortion from mic-ing improperly. The sound is quite distracting. Anyone else hear this?
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