Yes. But should someone who asks such a question be considered a troll?
Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?
Just like those driving a Porsche SUV can join PCA (digital audio fans can join Audiogon) but are certainly not Porschephiles unless they also own a coupe (Panamera owners I guess gets a pass here).
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douger96 posts06-18-2020 11:08pm Yes. But should someone who asks such a question be considered a troll? No, but someone who ask the OP if their a Troll, could be!!! What is a troll??? Regards... |
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I have a very good not inexpensive system. I don’t have TT/ R2R. It does not matter whether I’m called audiophile or not. I enjoy the music and very much into improving sound quality . On another topic ; I often wonder whether a TT will sound better than my Top digital kit. I’ve heard some excellent TT RIGS and I don’t miss anything. |
rixthetrick: Sitting in the amp is stout granite block with felt in between. You cannot see the felt. It’s just to prevent vibration on the Steel plate cover . The amps are sitting on Symposium Roller block. I have since engineered and built custom rack and plinths. Also added Aurender , enlarged room and optimised with Acoustic room treatment . Just realized I need to update pics . |
jssmith: I like your comment adding spin to the topic. Replies will need another thread on the forum. With improvements in analog and digital gear the gap is narrowing considerably. Also people are employing tweaks and room treatment which improve S.Q. . Like another issue SS vs tubes. But let’s stay on the topic regards audiophile characterisation |
Panamera, Cayenne and Macan owners do not get the pass. Actually even the new model owners who are posers for most part. I can tell you with certainty after close to 20 years that Porsche owners totally changed and not for the better... As for audiophiles I think the bottom line should be enjoying music. Fort the most part it became too much about the gear, details and tweaks and very little;le focus on actual enjoyment of music... |
Sancho, that is an unfortunate generalization. I know several 911 owners who are great people and are always helping each other with their cars. There is also a very high rate of audiophileism in this group. Real Audiophiles like helping each other constructively with their systems and if you are honest this means pointing out some gear that was not thought out well. This is particularly true with turntables, tonearms and speakers. You have to have a high level education to design electronic gear but I'm afraid any one can cram drivers in a box or pen a tonearm and turntable. |
Raul, I was not talking about conduction down the axon. I was talking only about the conduction between neurons which occurs in the synapse by trading off charges molecules called neurotransmitters. The action potential in the neurons axon is an entirely different process which ends with the release of those neurotransmitters. Each neuron has one axon but ends in tens of synapses which communicate with other neurons. It is all a very analog process and in no way resembles digital signal processing. |
In 1982, I bought one of the first Sony CD players made. For the next 20 years, I played nothing but CDs (even when they were going for $30 a pop). Then I went back to vinyl, combined with SACD. I still consider myself an audiophile - I believe the three power amps, two pre-amps, four turntables. three SACD players and multiple pairs of speakers, along with subscriptions to four audio magazines, qualifies me, |
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Yes! The Porsche analogy is a good one. As millercarbon stated early on amidst a rum-induced post, it is about the driving experience and listening experience. It doesn’t matter what Porsche or audio gear gets you to your own nirvana. Not being able to afford the ‘67 mechanical fuel injected 911 S my friend obtained in high school around 1980 (now worth 200k), I sought 7 years ago to purchase an ‘85-89 air cooled 911. After sitting in one however, my 6’4” large frame was not comfortable and I bought a 996 with an after market supercharger... what many would consider heretical. In the time I had it (the supercharger had issues), I was in heaven... and hope to own a 911 again someday when I retire.I also own Klipsch Heresys, and yes they too are fun and give me a thrill. |
Dear @looscannon : Me neither. I pasted general information. The issue is that all the human beens ( but sokogear. ) have an ADC at our inner ears section, this is a binary condition. This is the way the brain takes any sound we hear. The comunication in the brain starts with those discrete electric impulses and this condition is binary too. Now the neurotransmitters comes by a chemical " condition " and I’m not talking about. Now and I take your word as a true one: if somewhere the communication goes analog then somewhere those binary impulses goes through a DAC or something similar because the brain information through the Axon is continuous. The trouble with all those inside the brain is the very low overall knowledge levels that the bio-neurolog or scientific gentlemans have. The very high complexity of the brain operation makes that we can’t have absolute certainty in many operation subjects down there. Look, if you read the article I linked on how our ears works where is really complex ( and are only the ears. ) we can understand the the brain is just out of our overall operation understanding and probably could be that the subjects the neurologes know about could be not exactly as the researchs showed. The ears have not one but at least 3 different kind of transducers along: """ We’ see that it’s literally crammed with equalisers and dynamic compressors, including a multi‑band one. It even includes an extremely efficient filter bank, as well as a highly sophisticated analogue‑to‑digital converter. "" Now with all those kind of transducer in the ears/brain and all those eq., compresors/limiter and the like: what in reality are we listening from the original sound signal? example: how much information are we losting from the sound of the Niagara falls due to the whole ears/brain complex process? Btw, I don't know other persons but I'm learning a lot on this specific subject. Good. R. |
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Raul keeps posting the same nonsense repeatedly, including personal attacks about brains, behavior, etc. This is not the place for that. Do you understand what a personal attack is versus a logical argument? I doubt it. I forget Raul did you vote yes or no to the original question? Please don't bring up Trump. This is supposed to be fun. My question is the leading discussion trending on Audiogon which is what I wanted. There is no ultimate judge as to whether someone is an Audiophile or not. It would be something you would self describe. If someone wants to call themselves an audiophile, its a free country. No judge and jury - if the question was would you call them an audiophile if they don't own or never have owned a turntable and audiophile, that's your opinion and it can't be right or wrong. |
"...the brain information through the Axon is continuous."If we are really disassembling it to this level, for the sake of disassembling, then saltatory conduction should not be ignored. Could that signal be called "non-continuous"? I do not know what to do with it in this case, but Nodes of Ranvier do exist. |
Ocd every tiny, small aspect of your system too the point you’ve gone slightly insane and your wife is about too kill you. Then do it again after a few years. Sell, sell, after buy, buy, buy. 20k later I can slow my pace. Holy smoke I think I’m done honey, I promise. Crap I feel...crap I can’t stop myself, oh no, I must buy again. One word crazy audiophile... |
Being an audiophile is not about what you own. Its about how you get what you own to sound!I am very proud to be one by my own creativity....My systems look like trash and cost peanuts.... His sound is out of this world by my homemade low cost methods then being an audiophile for me is being creative not being a customer.... You cannot buy the "audiophile" title with an amplifier.... The audiophile task is more important than the piece of electronic, the ultimate question is: How to embed it? A true audiophile rarely upgrade.... He makes perfect the embedding process and that cost if we are creative peanuts..... I think most people dont understand that.... :) |
As usual you are ALL WRONG! Just kidding. A person who enjoys music is a “music aficionado” A person who enjoys listening to music AND does something to make it sound better to their ears, is an “audiophile” no matter the format or system. A person calling another person a “porschephile” should be a hate crime. A person bragging about being a good autocrosser and considers themselves a auto racer, should also check with their wife before going out to the store. Notice that the people with the best systems are the least judge mental(sp). Peace out |
Some of us have the means to upgrade and some upgrade when they can afford it. I’ve been in both camps...as the means provided I upgraded. I now have 2 systems. One is a home theater and the other is an almost as amazing, poor, left over, hard to sell montage of components that I decided not to sell because their resale value on audiogon wasn’t worth selling if I could have my “audiophile” habit upstairs also. I love how someone says I’m not a true “audiophile” because I upgrade every 5 or 6 years for the last 35. I’ve been to many a live event (saw Rush and the amazing Neal peart 48 times) Been to at least 500 plus live shows and I love that sound, but a PA system isn’t practical in a home environment, (goofy wife what does she know). The klipsch fortes I owned in the 80’s as well as my entire system (that took my poor ass years to built) is still in use by my x-wife to this day. Audiophiles come from every walk of life and what connects them is the music and it reproduction. Period. |
Dear @glupson : you are rigth. I posted that way because is something I pasted but whon says that the chemical developed neurotransmitters changes the discrete electric impulses binary condition to a continuos one other that what you stated? Many years ago and obviously way before this and other threads about I listened from some one the digital status of the human beens and everything shows to that direction. R. |
raulliruegas, "Dear @glupson : you are rigth."I would like to use your quote from now on. I forgot what the details were, but someone earlier mentioned action potential, too. I am not sure if it was supposed to be analog, digital, continuous, or something else in that sentence. Still, if anyone is keeping tabs, it is not continuous. |
My life has been full of music since I was 5. That’s when I received for Christmas my first transistor radio and shortly after began piano lessons. Of course I’m a macho guy and transitioned to... you guessed it, the drums. For years and years I played along with the music and with a few lessons and I mean a few I taught myself to play. Middle school thru high school I was the band geek, plus the very competitive sports fanatic who also excelled at baseball. Unfortunately drumming ended for a while after a major left arm injury and I didn’t play again for 15 years. Once I could manage it I bought a Fender jazz deluxe and taught myself to play. Now I could play rush on my bass...well not really but I did learn to play ok even with my arm limitations. Years later I was able to build a kit most would envy and passed on the love of drumming to my son who had Neal talent. In 1986 I bought my first stereophile magazine and my life changed. Goodbye Radio shack, hello ocd, please help me become a audiophile. Please do not nullify this “audiophile“ with a lack understanding. |
I guess firstly I'm a Porschephile and audiophile second I just sold my 96 993 speedyellow 911 Turbo but still have a 78 911 SC I've always been interested in well engineered sporty cars. When I was 24 I bought a BMW 2002ti and at that time no one knew what the heck it was. I owned many BMW M cars over the years and decided to try Porsche for a change. Turned out to be one hell of an investment!! Also in my early 20,'s I got tired of listening to my friends stereo systems that made my ears bleed from clipping! There must be somthing better and I ended up with a Marantz 2265B and Teac casset player and Cerwin Vega speakers By the time the 90's rolled around l bought a VAC PA 80 80 and a ARC LS 15 that l still have today Over the years I've gone though many speakers and currently have a pair of Maggie's. 7's and have recently added a Exogal comet plus DAC and Audiolab 6000N streamer. I also have a very good 5.1 system.Did I spend FU money, I don't think so, I'm I an Audiophile? I think so??? |
