The same box Porsche use in their auto shift units.
Uh, no. You didn't. Not PDK. Tiptronic, maybe. But the mere fact you say "auto shift units" tells me you don't even know the difference.
Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?
Just like those driving a Porsche SUV can join PCA (digital audio fans can join Audiogon) but are certainly not Porschephiles unless they also own a coupe (Panamera owners I guess gets a pass here).
Please respond with a yes or no and we'll tally a vote for the first 100 responses.
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McQueen made the Heuer Monaco watch famous, and few would question how utterly cool that thing is. Over the years I've driven a '58 Speedster, a '74 Carrera, a recent Cayman S, an early 80's 928S, a 914 6 cylinder, and a 944, and they were all amazingly fun which might just be the point. My fave wasn't a Porsche but a '69 Lotus Elan...mind blowing. Regarding the qualification to be an audiophile, it seems to me all you need is the love of actively listening to great music through speakers or good headphones in stereo (or mono if that's called for). That and at least one expensive cable. |
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wolf_garcia, "Regarding the qualification to be an audiophile, it seems to me all you need is the love of actively listening to great music through speakers or good headphones in stereo (or mono if that’s called for). That and at least one expensive cable." I’d say so. A work colleague of mine, still in his 20s doesn’t care for separates at all. Yet he went out of his way to buy a top of the range HTC smartphone exclusively because of its sound quality which he believed was down to its superior DAC. He also uses some highly reviewed in ear headphones. He has also been considering a separate portable headphone amp, but I’ve never asked him about the cable. Definitely an audiophile. |
I guess Raul doesn't think "stupid" is a personal attack. I won't respond to any more personal attack posts. I like discussions/arguments over bits & bytes versus continuous sound and I'll try one more analogy to see if you digital only guys get it. By no means am I a watch expert, but I own one automatic watch and one quartz watch (for when the automatic is getting serviced every 7 years or so). Over the long haul (or weekly or monthly), the quartz is more accurate, lower maintenance, typically less expensive, etc. But here's the thing....time does not move in discrete seconds, it moves continuously, just like the seconds hand of an automatic watch. Turntables are automatic watches, CDs, or anything stored in a file are defined by individual 1s or 0s. Not continuous. Before you throw up in a response, I voted YES, someone could be considered an audiophile if they don't own a turntable (forget the caveats). |
millercarbon4,831 posts06-16-2020 10:06am The same box Porsche use in their auto shift units. Uh, no. You didn't. Not PDK. Tiptronic, maybe. But the mere fact you say "auto shift units" tells me you don't even know the difference. millercarbon, Sorry to say Yes ZF built a LOT of the autoshifters for those who chose to use them. Best not cross many of my Ts on this one millercarbon. I don't tell you how to take pictures, best to stick with what you know... You may know Porsche, you may even have something to contribute about stereos. But being a mechanic, you aint.. sorry buddy.. Again you ever split a ZF transmission? I have... My point is they were in the HD market way before they hit the Auto market..They hold up, very well with OBD2 electric, servo control, they were the first...To get it right... A lot of problems. BMW, Audi just about all of the SL SUV soccer mom "things" from Europe, use them. Don't get upset, you might just learn something... if your nice... I'll take my marbles, a play somewhere else... Porsche Man. I had a 1970, Panteria, and a 63 Studebaker Avanti so what does that make me... Regards |
Time is just a convenience scientists use to calculate velocity and acceleration. Time is kind of like the glue that holds everything together. Spacetime. In fact, if there was no mass in the universe time wouldn’t exist; furthermore, if the universe stops expanding and starts to contract, time will start to move backwards. 🔙 |
roberttdid158 posts06-16-2020 12:00pmsokogear, You are like a 5 year old child, making an analogy to a literal rocket scientist, on how rockets works ... To people who actually know what they are talking about, that is how you sound. Does that analogy bother you? I worked on 4 rockets too... Yup sure did... Rocketman here... But this is my real hair.....It's naturally curly, NOW... Helped build and weld the darn thing up for an event every year, yup yup permits the whole thing.. Still your rude.... Regards |
In a cosmos without the concept of time, magic override mechanics..
Hee hee, until your next meal... How did you get that.. hmmmmm? :-) Somebody had to fix that truck, that tractor, that combine, that belt drive, that, refer trailer or boxcar. Crack me up.... Kinda see my point.. Some do, some don't, BUT everyone has the right to be wrong... Right? Regards |
Hee hee, until your next meal...I will translate my aphorism for a better understanding.... Magic overriding mechanics dont supply bread in all prayers for sure... :) Consciousness override the body in a way more manifest.... Is it clearer? :) Christ was carpenter (mechanician) and not only magician... :) |
Rockets are big fun, until they aren’t... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7wBN-U2KXI this was a double whammy as teams I led or were on built the Satt and the Satt fairing.... |
For me being audiophile is not collecting costly gear, or debating about cables, or about digital versus analog, but more about improving the embeddings triple dimensions of any audio systems at any price, analog or digital....I prefer to use homemade cheap methods with guided listening experiments and they are very effective anyway....That is my clear answer to your question.... |
tomic6015,634 posts06-16-2020 12:38pm Didn’t Alberts’ neighBOHR give him plumbing advice ? No, that was to Mrs Einstein, and it wasn’t advise, yuk yuk yuk Regards |
Sokogear, It is quite obvious to me, and I expect many others reading this thread, that you don’t have any knowledge about sampled data systems, sampling theory, signal processing, nyquist-shannon, nor the impacts of things like signal to noise ratio, timing, bandwidth limited systems, etc. Based on your comments about turntables/vinyl, you don’t understand the limitations of that format in the most rudimentary way and based on your comments about music, I don’t think you have a good understanding of what real instruments sounds like. And yet, and yet, you are trying to tell other people "how it all works", people with deep practical and academic experience who understand these topics intimately. Do you not see a problem with that? To put it into a more visual format: https://condenaststore.com/featured/let-me-interrupt-your-expertise-with-my-confidence-jason-adam-ka... |
It is quite obvious to me, and I expect many others reading this thread, that you don’t have any knowledge about sampled data systems, sampling theory, signal processing, nyquist-shannon, nor the impacts of things like signal to noise ratio, timing, bandwidth limited systems, etc. Based on your comments about turntables/vinyl, you don’t understand the limitations of that format in the most rudimentary way and based on your comments about music, I don’t think you have a good understanding of what real instruments sounds like.It sound like to me that this is the repeating story of the straw and the beam... We all know little in the ocean of knowledge.... Calmly pointing facts is not the same than harassing someone.... I dont doubt that all the knowledge you enumerate is truly yours, I have absolutely no doubts about your knowledge... Alas! is it the only knowledge you have? I apologize I am very sensible about the difference between harassing and discussing.... |
Is it true that Porsche will soon have a pickup truck? CAN'T WAIT! |
Then you are hypocrite mahgister, because the whole point of this thread, no matter the ops protestations (read his other comments in this thread about how he feels about people who don't share his views), is to belittle and harass those that don't feel the same way about vinyl. That view is clouded by ignorance of the topic of vinyl and digital for which the op appears to have 0 desire to increase that knowledge, preferring continue to spew, in order to forward his position, what can only be called misinformation. If you read the comments the op has made in this thread, belittling those who don't share his view of vinyl, it is pretty clear, if one is honest with oneself, that the intention of this thread was not a discussion, the reference to Porschephiles further belaying the intention to segregate based on the ops own personal views. If it was truly presented as a discussion I would have treated it as such, but as the op kept making it clear their bias, the intention of the thread became clear. I apologize as well. I don't take kindly to people who create artificial divisions between themselves and others, and worse, who encourage others to create those same divisions. I dont doubt that all the knowledge you enumerate is truly yours, I have absolutely no doubts about your knowledge... Alas! is it the only knowledge you have? I apologize I am very sensible about the difference between harassing and discussing.... |