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Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?
Just like those driving a Porsche SUV can join PCA (digital audio fans can join Audiogon) but are certainly not Porschephiles unless they also own a coupe (Panamera owners I guess gets a pass here).
Please respond with a yes or no and we'll tally a vote for the first 100 responses.
Please respond with a yes or no and we'll tally a vote for the first 100 responses.
Showing 50 responses by geoffkait
I got as far as 40+ years of experience. Was that wrong of me? If years of experience was a real factor or money we’d all have great systems. In fact, I have a theory there might be an inverse relationship. Experience and money are typical audio logical fallacies. You know, appeal to authority, appeal to size of wallet, that sort of thing. We all play that game from time to time. Yes, I know what you’re thinking. “My system sounds fabulous!” 🤗 |
sokogear OP Fred - there are plenty of audiophiles that are not music freaks - they should enjoy music at a minimum, but are on a never ending quest to get it to sound the best they can. Some are more fanatical than others and are willing to spend a higher % of their net worth to get there. Some self described Audiophiles don’t invest the time to understand their components and how they work together and just throw tons of $$ at their system. A stereo salesman’s dream customer = always changing and not spending any time learning about the technology and equipment, just spending $$. I don’t consider them Audiophiles. Call them Audio snobs if you want. Plenty of them are also hobbyists and enjoy playing around with their equipment, collecting lots of equipment and experimenting with different tweaks, often of questionable value. The only question in any of these endeavors should be "Does the change make it sound better"? Not in theory, in reality. Another question for some is whether it is worth the change, considering the law of diminishing returns. Some don’t care about that, but most do. What is the point at which "you’re there"? That doesn’t exist for Audiophiles, because you always need to maintain or replace the cartridge (sorry digital folks). >>>>It’s getting easier to pick out the anti audiophiles and tweakaphobes these days. I’m guessing you must have taken a nationwide survey to obtain your information, yes? Pardon me for saying so but this is starting to look like a fishing expedition. 😬 When you control the mail you control ... information. - Newman |
chakster I must admit that designers of ultra expensive High-End audio equipment are very slow and probably the last people in audio who came into balanced (XLR) connection, because this is the ONLY TYPE of connectors (inputs,outputs,interconnect) professionals are using for ages. Come to any studio and you will never find any RCA unbalanced cables, ONLY XLR (Balanced) for everything including microphones. >>>>>Huh? The pros only use XLR? For that reason I’m out. |
Be it sight, sound, the smell, the touch. There’s something, Inside that we need so much, The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sound, Or the strength of an arquebus deep in the ground. The wonder of flowers, to be covered, and then to burst up, through tarmack, to the sun again, Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing, To lie in the meadow and hear the grass sing, To have all these things in our memories hoard, And to use them, To help us, To find... |
Perhaps sound quality in cars is underrated. Modern automobiles should have a reasonably good signal to noise ratio with the windows up 🔝 ROLLS ROYCE would be even better, especially with the oil-filled suspension system for mechanical isolation. Battery power, good acoustic space and crossover-less speakers - Voila! Audiophile grade SQ. |
sokogear OP Now we have a physics discussion....I thought photons are light. I studied engineering with only a years worth of physics.... >>>>Visible light is photons. But all types of photons are not all visible light. Lots of other things are photons too, many have higher energies, some have lower energies. Everything in the electromagnetic spectrum is composed of photons. Radio waves, X-rays, gamma rays, infrared light, ultraviolet light, Schumann waves, extremely low frequency ELF, things of that nature. Visible light is a very small part of the electromagnetic spectrum. |
looscannon Rauliruegas, I believe animal central nervous systems are analog computers. A neuron is not on or off. It can secret various amounts of neurotransmitter bases on how much it is stimulated by other neurons. This process is frighteningly slow. Electrons travel at the speed of light. Nerves conduct via charged molecules at 300 ft/sec. >>>>As fate would have it only photons can travel at the speed of light. Electrons generally travel at a snails 🐌 pace. |
rauliruegas Dear @geoffkait : """ EEG (Electroencephalogram) shows up as wavy (I.e., continuous) lines. """ that’s because is the only way the printer works. >>>>The ones at NASA didn’t work like that. Ham gravy ain’t wavy. 😬 |
mahgister We must discuss things that matters, except for personal preference and anecdotal subjectives histories, always interesting for sure, but without consequences for our own history most of the times; I think that, for me personally, the embeddings of any audio system are of the utmost importance for the experience, even more important than technological engineering details and design.... Why ? >>>>>Excellent example of stove piping, not paying attention to what others are doing or ignoring the advancements by others. Stove piping of information and systems 🏭 produces smokestacks of information growing to the sky but no way to verify or validate each person’s unique information since there’s no interaction with the outside world or cross pollination 🐝 Thus, people are inclined to believe IMPLICITLY in their own handiwork and dismiss the handiwork of others. Also know as the Not invented Here Syndrome. That’s why intelligence networks require multiple sources, to avoid stove piping. 🏭 There’s a fog upon L.A. And my friends have lost their way We'll be over soon they said Now they've lost themselves instead Please don't be long Please don't you be very long Please don't be long Or I may be asleep |
rauliruegas " I guess my brain is continuous.. " Yes because your knowledge level is extremely low about. As always you are wrong and I can’t understand how you can improve a little on that knowledge extremely low levels you have. R. >>>>Knowledge is what’s left over after you subtract out everything you forgot from school which was probably no great shakes anyway. He not busy being born is busy dying. - Bob Dylan |
looscannon Absolutely not. Audiophiles are gadget freaks. The turntable is the ultimate gadget surpassed only by the automobile. >>>>>You obviously never got into the whole CD tweaking craze. |
glupson "Perhaps the brain activity of someone who listens to a lot of digital music would show up as a series of blocks on the EEG graph."Perhaps it would be a lots of jitter. Wait, it already looks like jitter. Nevermind, it was jitterkait’s EEG. What a dumfukker! 🤗 |
if you’re one of those who enjoys the sound of digital more power to you. If you’re just a listener and not an enjoyer I will let you off the hook. Analog is the heroin. Digital is the heroin substitute, when you can’t get the real thing. You know, when your dealer is in quarantine or whatever. 🤗 Enjoy the music substitute! 😬 |
rauliruegas10,073 posts06-17-2020 11:35amThe human been brain work through impulses, very fast impulses ( one after the next. ) but separated in between. >>>>I totally agree. The human bean brain works through impulses. Many audiophiles hear via impulses through the ears but separated In between by the vast emptiness of space. |
Time is just a convenience scientists use to calculate velocity and acceleration. Time is kind of like the glue that holds everything together. Spacetime. In fact, if there was no mass in the universe time wouldn’t exist; furthermore, if the universe stops expanding and starts to contract, time will start to move backwards. 🔙 |
Get real guys. If you want to drive the fastest SUV look no further than Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifolio. Find out what shape your midlife crisis is really in. 😬 https://youtu.be/bq9sMsZuwas |
Forget about the DAC for a second. Most of the errors are made in the transport and simply passed on to the DAC. Buffering the data won’t help because the errors occur when the laser tries to read the nanoscale data spiral. The errors occur in the first picosecond. The errors are buffered right along with everything else. I’m not saying some DACs are not better than others. It’s just that DACs aren’t smart enough to know when they’re being fed garbage. Garbage in/garbage out. 🔄 |
By the way, I almost forgot, I’ve had the opportunity on many occasions this past year to hear a big system, an evolved, grown-up system, for which the Reed Solomon error detection/correction codes were disabled on the CD player. Yes, I know what you’re thinking, is he insane?! The codes can be disabled AFTER the scattered light problem is eliminated AND AFTER the fluttering disc problem is eliminated. It’s smooth sailing after that. The disc played on this system must be emmaculate, scratch, fingerprint and dust free obviously. It’s a whole new ballgame folks. Anyone in N. Va can go hear it for yourself. Trust me. You will be inclined to drive home as fast as you can and throw whatever system you’ve been ranting and raving about in the nearest lake. Conclusion, for whatever reasons the Reed Solomon codes hurt the sound. The only reason they are there in the first place is because the whole digital playback system is on the very edge of failure so they threw everything but the kitchen sink at it so it would at least fly a little bit. Kinda like a kiwi bird. That’s what a stereo system sounds like when it’s all grown up. 🤗 |
“Reduced information“ means different things to different people. For the electrical portion of the system Signal to Noise ratio and Dynamic Range are very good measures of “information.” Theoretically, digital should win hands down, you know, with stated SIGNAL TO NOISE ratio of at least 90dB and DYNAMIC RANGE at least 90dB. But things don’t always work out in the real world like they do theoretically. Playback systems have inherent issues as I’ve oft pointed out that reduce the theoretical values of SNR and DR to where LP playback competes with CD playback, there are too many variables to say which is better in terms of “information” retrieval. It’s apples and watermelons usually . The industry further exacerbates this problem by overly compressing CDs and LPs. So, you can’t win. Other harder to define aspects of sound like sweetness, air, tone, transparency, etc. come into play as well, and can also be considered “information.” |