Quick question for the Cables Don't Make a Difference Crowd.

I use the cables from the manufacturer of the stereo equipment. 

’Roun heara. we morph into Zen Honkies on This bus.... 😎

....the only taste I chase is my own.

@grislybutter .....I hear crickets.....hope you didn't waste that popcorn.... :(

Why don't you all just completely eliminate cables by buying an all in one with powered speakers using Wi-Fi or BT? 

Because those two mediums you mention will never sound as good and work as reliably as a wired connection. Most, if not all here, want the best sound they can get and that means using cables.

All the best,
Nonoise

@deep_333 I would not buy any of the items. I do not see the value in any of these items. I do think that the people spending $14K on a PC are few and far between and those that are they’re plugging it into a much better amplifier than the two you have pictured. Heck the Honda is overpriced too.

I see your point and I would never spend more than $400.00 on a power cord for my Bose Wave Radio.

Better amplifer... worse amplifier (facepalm)...I suspect you are still not getting it. I picked 3 items of much more complexity (engineering cost, fabs costs, etc whatever) that are priced less the 14k power wire + 2 plugs. I asked you what made that wire + plugs so sophisticated that it cost more than those other 3 items.

If my net worth was 500+ million and I decided to go with a million dollar rig one day, i still wouldn’t get a power wire + 2 plugs for 14k. It may still be 200 dollars off of aliexpress for me, i.e., that’s the price of a wire + 2 plugs for me. If i had 500 million dollars and decided to buy toilet power, it would still be 5 bucks. That’s the price of toilet paper for me. I wouldn’t pay a 1000 bucks for a roll of toilet paper ( BECAUSE I WAS RICH, WHY NOT?!?!). Does that make sense?

You see...the minute a guy gives that sales guy 14k for a piece of wire + 2 plugs or 1000 bucks for toilet paper, the sales guy is laughing at him.... he is laughing at the bonafide imbecile that bought the 14k power wire or 1000 dollar toilet paper from him.

"IF YOU ARE RICH, WHY NOT?".....mmhmm, I suppose the sales guy will need to find a fool for that line to work.

@tkrtrb125 ...I don't care for argumentations over audio, either. 🙁

Even as I'm positive that one makes a decision on what item for 'concrete'  considerations and rationales with the costs involved, those choices when rendered here can seem to get ground into sand with the occasional inference of

"What were you thinking?!"

...and the given forum is off and running....for however many pages that may entail.

Audio and that which we employ for the appreciation of what we prefer to listen to is so meshed with our tastes, desires, and the situations we inhabit to do so. 
Barked up against a 14K$ power cord....which the lucky few will see as a pittance; to yours unruly, is more than I've wagered on my entire by 5X....

@73 .... I wear aids, by necessity ....at 2K, I roll off like a ski slope. Physical dexterity is slipping, multiple Rx for a heart condition (2 make me 'drowsy', 2 'dizzy', 2 additional do both; 3 are effected by high temps outdoors that amplify the previous), COPD, on-board pacer and de-fibber, eyes on the verge of cataracts...

Oh, and then there's the potential of being ADHD and/or ADD since birth or thereafter, but those terms didn't even exist when I was young...

... and a few sharp hits to the skull beyond that start....none of which were deserved....car accident, thrown baseball bat, oak stool broken during a break-in attempt (ER MD stitching head commented he'd seen a lot of these due to bar fights....retort was that there wasn't anything or alcohol involved, and certainly nothing fun about it...)

..personal pref, btw... more my style, and cheaper.

Would love to ride, but I bend, fold, tear, and mutilate too easy of late....even through leather and ballistics....

.but I know what I like, even if it's far from SOTA.  If it makes me happy, I can still miss the last .001% and be blissfully engaged, despite all of the above.

@mapman .....consciousness is the dangerous thing, in that some seem to lack 'conscience' over the power and prescience it wields....mho....

@uncledemp .....'bout ready for a bowl of that....;)

As for 'how am', you've likely seen the above....

Still Vertical....👍😎

all good not here to argue, so please stop arguing

Apology accepted 

We all love music and gear...I prefer the fun side of the discussions a lot more! 

All-in-One solutions, eh?  During my time building speaker enclosures, I learned about placing drivers a minimum distance from each other, as well as the components in the crossover a minimum distance from the drivers because inductors and speaker coils create fields that can interact with one another.  We can't have that now!  So watch out for compact, all-in-one designs.  Also, watch out for 90-degree turns in the traces of your circuit boards that may create reflections and audible distortion. 

I forgot the popcorn, 1 sec....

This was an attempt at asking a question and a bit T&C clearly the members here are offended. Please take this thread down as I am the OP. 

Please put down the pitchforks and the torches I will send the monster (thread) to the cable dungeon. 

@jji666 all good not here to argue, so please stop arguing.

Not interested in fighting with you, and you made my point. 

Which was what exactly?  That those skeptical of marketing claims around cables should stick to all in one units?  That is not a point, it was simply an attempt at an insult or to start an argument. 

There isn't anyone here who believes cables are unnecessary.  Components have to be connected. What you were doing was simply starting a fight without even the pretext of having a serious thought or question. It's purely uncivil and doesn't reflect well. Sophomoric, really. 

My only point here, other than to be annoyed by a naked attempt at starting an argument, is that most cable skeptics have far more nuanced positions than "they are not necessary."

@deep_333  I would not buy any of the items. I do not see the value in any of these items. I do think that the people spending $14K on a PC are few and far between and those that are they're plugging it into a much better amplifier than the two you have pictured. Heck the Honda is overpriced too. 

I see your point and I would never spend more than $400.00 on a power cord for my Bose Wave Radio. 

So much trouble in the world. Do expensive toys help?  Just saying.  My conscience is a dangerous thing. 

do not think the person who spends $14K on a PC is plugging it into a Yamaha C5000, just an observation. Maybe the Ture Life Audio TSI-300 @$50K plus, that is more than my first Trailer Home cost. 

I can spend 14k on power wire if you convinced me (I may have the funds). Look at the picture again and convince me why the nortoast power wire + 2 plugs priced at 14k cost more than the other 3 items on that picture. What was so sophisticated about it? Tell me.

@deep_333 I do not think the person who spends $14K on a PC is plugging it into a Yamaha C5000, just an observation. Maybe the Ture Life Audio TSI-300 @$50K plus, that is more than my first Trailer Home cost. 

https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2024/08/23/true-life-audio-tsi-300-integrated-amplifier-review/

@devinplombier 

Folks no longer need Patek Philippes to tell them what time it is, yet they still buy expensive wristwatches. And that's fine. No one argues with that.

The problem begins when some of these folks show up late at meetings, then insist that they're not late because their wristwatch says they're on time and therefore it was just the right time for them to show up.

"IF YOU RICH, WHY NOT BUY IT?", said the sales guy.... "Wire R&D is rather expensive and the price is justified", he said.

@deep_333 agree with your first post. Not so much with the second I have had the experience of meeting a few not real smart rich folks. I am sure they inherited their wealth and couple have the fugly steampunk amplifier, it did sound good. Much better than my Bose Wave radio. 

@crustycoot Yes sir agree.👍 

@roadcykler I am happy your system sounds good,👍 

@norcalal  You are correct great post. 

@curiousjim You are 100% correct. 

Blokes???

You must be from Texas.

DeKay

Why is there so much concern here about what other people do?

If I'm happy, why shouldn't you be?  And vice versa.  I have done a lot of AB comparisons with a group and we were all convinced that better (yes pricier) cables made a positive difference in the two dealer systems we listened to.  No, not blind testing, but repeated comparisons over a period of time (weeks apart) with the same results.  Were we fooling ourselves?  Maybe, but so what?  We are in this hobby to fool ourselves, no?  To convince ourselves that we are there in the room with them or they are here in the room with us. They are not.  For me (maybe not for you) cables help my system(s) achieve a degree of pleasing verisimilitude.  I agree that prices for some top of the line cables are fabulous and I seek out modestly priced wire that gives me bang for the buck.  Same goes for power conditioning and power cables, another topic that inspires debate, but not for me.  I am convinced of sonic improvements because of the results I have heard at my dealer and in my home.  Happy listening to all of you, no matter how those ineffable vibrations make it to your eardrums. 

what is expensive for one is just pocket change for others.

Rich dudes are not stupid and tend to understand a thing or two about economics better than the avg hifi nerd.

Try selling Warren Buffett wire for 10k (because because...got to keep the lights on, R&D, yada yada, boo hoo, same old hifi cable sales guy sob story). Tell him "you are rich, so, why not buy it?" He might just gently waltz you out of his house.

Always try not to insult some rich dude’s intelligence with such statements. "You are rich, so why not?"....that’s gotta be about as insulting as it gets.

@tkrtrb125 

That really is a silly premise. Asking someone to validate something you are unwilling to try yourself.

FYI, I am usually in the less is better crowd ( with some caveats).

As long as our ears remain "analog" there will be the need for amplifiers to "motivate" speakers via cabling -- even it's internal.  Quality matters -- even SHORT distances.

If I'm following your logic here, my best response is that products with everything "on board" are still very limited in selection and may not offer all that a listener is looking for in the year 2024.  2034?  Maybe.

@jji666 It bothers you please do not hurt me.  Not interested in fighting with you, and you made my point. 

My system sounds great as is so why would I want to spend more money to prove what I already know?

That's an excellent suggestion, to bad the millions of others who thought of it didn't do it? Perhaps it was because something still had to be plugged in which would require a special very expensive power cord to connect to standard inferior house wiring? Also the manufacturers of all equipment use the required quality wire for their product, I can buy a $2000 6 foot cable to go from the amp to the speaker and then it into an extremely poor quality wire according to the cable gods for the last 4 feet of wire inside the speaker, does not make any sense at all? 

Cables do sound different...a little.  But for HiFi stores' profit margin...a lot!  This is the legacy of the Head Monster, super salesman Noel Lee.  IME, compared to room acoustics and proper speaker placement, they matter little.  High value brands like WBC or BJC are good enough for all but the real esoteric "everything matters" crowd, with pocket depth to match.  Look inside classics like a Marantz or ARC tube component...no teflon insulated linear crystal unobtanium wire, oversized capacitors, etc.  Best sounding classical records ever made?  Living Stereo. Decca. Living Presence...alll made without exotic mic cables or parts.

Clearly it's under your skin or you wouldn't have chosen to start an entire thread that is basically trolling.  What you just did was try to start a fight with literally no functional need for your posts.  I think I saw you on the highway tailgating 2 feet from the car in front of you yesterday, weaving in and out without signaling. Your post is basically road rage in another form. 

The cable unbelievers either don't have audiophile ears or an unresolving system where wires are just wires.  My 1975 Kenwood receiver sounded great with anything!  Until my upgrade journey began....You know how it goes.  Cable quality should be similar to equipment quality.

@asvjerry 

Shrimp and grits is one of my favorites, Jerry!

Hope you are well!

@lanx0003 what is expensive for one is just pocket change for others. I am not in either camp and would never own a steampunk amp. 

@yowser they did not get under my skin. No I do not use fuses. 

@tkrtrb125 Clearly, the "Cables Don't Make a Difference Crowd" has gotten under your skin.  Do your fuses make a difference?

Goofy question that takes the cable debate to an odd place

OP - tkrxx - Simple, because that type of equipment and connections you propose sounds far far inferior to a seperates system which needs cables.

Question sounds like click bait to me! Nonsensical.

@uncledemp ....shrimp 'n grits popular on my plate.... ;) 👍

...oh, pardon....

Slams the door on the cable conundrum, perhaps;

Don't trust the wires anymore?

Stop using them.

@ anyone in general with an 'IMH...' on the thought of fibre from network to dac to pre, followed by fibre to the outboard amps next to or in the speakers themselves...

...or is this just dusty old newz.....?  🤷‍♂️🙄

@roadwhorerecords 

With butter. 

Because I like separates!

If I had a nickel for every thread about cables that I gave a flying Fudge about, I'd owe 10 cents....

Faulty premise. Unless I’m not understanding you, you’re suggesting that cable “deniers” would prefer no cables at all so they don’t need to buy any? Cable deniers simply don’t believe super expensive cables are audibly better than well made but far cheaper ones. It has nothing to do with not wanting cables. Cables are necessary. $150k ones are not. We believe you buy cables to connect equipment. Not because there’s something magical about investing insane amounts of money in them. You literally said the quiet part out loud. You love buying expensive cables. Which is fine. Long as you admit that’s the draw. It’s almost like an addiction, and like most addictions, it requires a good amount of denial, self deception and justification.

@uncledemp 

With, or without butter?