Perfect Path Technologies: Omega E mat


I’m curious about this product from Perfect Path Technologies and would like to hear from those that have experience with it. I’ve bought and used the Total Contact enhancer and like what it does for my system so I’m interested in hearing how this Omega E mat performs. 
t_ramey
Interesting how all of djones51 posts have been removed.
Seems like "somebody" was caught with their pants down playing hookey.
On a more pertinent note does anybody have an update on the minimees release date?
I cannot say as I blame Tim from staying away from this train wreck for a while.
@hifiman5 

Welcome aboard the Perfect Path train! 

Glad you can join us on this interesting journey. Tim's products has placed our hifi systems on a higher plane no one could ever expect or experience. As an added bonus, our entire electrical system has benefited also. Most of us never had any contact with Tim or his products until Frank opened the door. I was a bit skeptical at first but I'm so glad I jumped in.

Enjoy the music!
The Synergistic Research Blue Outlet is a wonderful upgrade and only gets better over the next 10-14 days. The E Mat especially placed at thecircuit breaker box does improve the sound and pictures of all outlets in your house.  
I do think the best under $1000.00 system upgrade for most Audiophile’s is buying an E Matt + a Blue outlet. The amount left over will Buy a nice bottle of wine.
David Pritchard
I wish to report my further experience with the E-mats. I sent my check into Tim for mats and CE. I know have 6 mats installed:
1 in breaker box, one between my two power conditioners, one under amp, preamp, DAC, one between Network Bridge and Roon Nucleus Core computer, and one under DirectV box. I've not yet had time to add the CE to my cables and power cords....
As Frank has reported, there is clearly a 'curing' period or break in time, to permit the magical magnet fields to stabilize. I have had the mats in place for now just over 2 weeks, and each day the system became a bit more revealing, with lower noise floor, and allowing me to listen more deeply into the recording. The detail, nuance, and sonic 'meat on bones' is all more substantial....its like a quiet little change, daily, then you remember where you started from, and say, "Holy Crap, my rig sounds a lot better than ever",  The changes can be subtle, but substantial, if that makes sense. I am simply listening more to the music, and less to my gear, and don't think I'll be chasing the upgrade train for a while. A very worthwhile investment, for me in my rig. I am looking forward to the improvements promised when I paste my cables and power cords with Tim's CE....
I too wish to thank both Frank for making me aware, and Tim for producing such a product, that 'finishes' my sound quality, and allows me to simply enjoy the music, as I had hoped when I started this expensive journey.
Best to all, Bob P
^^^ Thanks Bob ... well said. Have you noticed an improvement in the bass ... like more articulate bass? How about the TV system, is the picture improved with the mat placed in the circuit breaker box??

Frank

I can only afford to purchase on e mat right now and where would be the best place to use them? Breaker box or on power amp?

Quick give me an answer so I can send my order over to Tim :)

Yes, to both questions above...but with TV, not sure which has done more, the mat in the box, or under the Directv box, or both...
B
Is anybody else having difficulty getting hold of Tim at all?
I realise he is a busy man and the success of these mats is likely only making that worse but I have not received replies to any messages I have sent through the audiogon system.
Maybe I just need to have more patience...lol, not my strongest suit unfortunately.
  I have never had a problem getting hold of Tim.  He usually ships the same day.  You can also get him on the phone easy.
Uh, he already knows why uberwaltz is trying to contact him. Everybody does. 😬
Just an update
Tim did get back to me and he will be announcing the minimees production updates shortly.
I am happy and will be waiting with anticipation.
Thank you Tim.
Off topic but....
11k posts Geoff?

Mapman...you better start posting, GK is after your crown!
Mapman...you better start posting, GK is after your crown!



That’s OK. I’m a contented cat and have already said most of what I have to say unless someone asks.

Whereas that guy will probably keep repeating himself forever and ever amen even when nobody asks him to. Que Sera Sera.
We have a match! Together they make one wit. 😳 What crown does mapman have? The crown of thorns? Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
OK, that’s half of a wit. Where’s the other half?  By the way, mapman, I agree with you, you haven’t had much to say for some time. 🤭
Okay ... on another note ...

This coming Friday night begins a new season of Friday Night Lights.

For those of you who haven’t been to a high school football game since you graduated, do yourself a favor and start supporting your local team. The athleticism is pretty darned amazing. These kids are playing at a college level of 10-15 years ago. With advancements in training methods and improved nutrition, these kids are really strong, fast and powerful.

Every Friday night, you’ll find me up there in the bleachers, right on the 50 yard line enjoying the spectacle. This will mark my 25th year attending my local high school's football games. 

Highly recommended.

Frank
Better a silly girl with a flower than a silly boy with a stick and a horse.
Its called a lance... Hello!


Eh, what, oops sorry, wrong dimension Geoff.
I have a couple questions. No judgments, not asking for opinions or judgments on my questions.
I’m very new here but, I’ve seen an enormous amount of very technical electrical information, graphs & calculations. So, I’m sure there’s more than enough expertise to answer this.

1) What is the science behind TC?
2) What technical measurements are changed & how?
3) What’s the science behind the magnet mats?
4) What measurements are changed and how?

I’m a novice audiophile so, I’m learning a lot on these threads & I mean no disrespect to anyone.

I do have a couple pertinent observations.

A couple people have said magazines don’t review things negatively.

Than that’s pointless. You pay for guidance & truthful information to help inform decisions that can be at least thousands-if not 10’s of thousands of dollars. For glowing, marketing hype all you need to do read the manufacturer’s websites.
For FREE.

One person said if they didn’t like a product that was given to them for review, they just wouldn’t say anything.

How would you feel if your doctor didn’t say anything about a medical treatment or implant because he didn’t want to badmouth a drug/medical company?

A couple people have said being given something doesn’t effect your judgment.

Thats absolutely not true. It may be unintentional but, it does. I’ll stick within my medical field. Several studies in the 90’s showed prescribing behavior changed in doctors given stipends by drug co’s, who were paid speakers &/or formal & informal “researchers”. That’s why anytime a doctor gives a talk now, they have to list every company that has paid them any money, employed them or given them any benefit. I think someone talking about cables or some piece of a stereo is at least as likely to be unintentionally swayed. It just human nature.

Finally, especially related to TC, I continually hear the floor drops away, every instrument can distinctly be heard, no noise... then why would you need to do anything else??

Sorry if this is too lengthy. And, I really am learning a lot & appreciate the people that are clearly the “teachers” here.

Thank you,

Tom
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@tochsii

Tom, I have asked the very information after the release and gush of each "Tweak". I even suggested that after the last "Tweak" lowering of the sound "black" floor, it must be several kilometres deep by now. How blacker than black is black?

Tom, do not expect any technical information otherwise you may be called a naysayer or troll. You will not get blood no matter how strongly you squeeze the stone. There is a group amongst audiophiles or just music listeners in the world that are privileged to have their systems enhanced ("Tweaked") to such a cumulative point that they now listen from black holes and sound is delivered via quantum physics and re-adjusted by small cups glued to walls to enter ears in reproduction that is better than the original sound recorded.

Do not expect a logical explanation.

@tochsii I have never stated or implied I heard a blacker background to music using tweaks. I am quite specific in the changes in the sound, such as greater transient speed and wider soundstage using Stillpoints, superior image focusing using Skakti Hallographs, the eliminating the need for acoustic panel and basstraps using Synergistic Research HFTs in a live sounding room, greater dynamic contrasts, improved resolution. enhanced pace/rythym and fuller/clearer bass using Omega E-Mats (among other improvements they provide).

Blacker sound background is not one of the ways I describe my tweak improvements. Each of the stated tweaks bring a different attribute to improving the music experience in my system.

Some of these tweaks have logical explanations such as the HFTs reradiating the sound in the room from the surfaces they are attached to, or multiple levels and materials which eliminate vibration to and from equipment as the Stillpoints do.  Or as simple as a bicycle tire sandwiched between steel plates to eliminate vibration under my VPI TNT VI (Townsend Seismic Sink)  As to the unknown way some tweaks work, I don’t really care as long as they do work to substantially improve my music listening enjoyment at a reasonable cost.
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Great question, however, the creator is not going to divulge his secrets and I don’t blame him.
tochsil sez:

  • "One person said if they didn’t like a product that was given to them for review, they just wouldn’t say anything."

That could have been me in the TC thread. If it was me that you are referring to, you are using what I said out of context. I was talking about Herbie’s "Black Hole" CD mat, which did nothing in my system. It didn’t improve the sound and it didn’t degrade the sound. It just did nothing. I stated that I wouldn’t say anything negative because these CD mats have rave reviews from other hobbyists. So ... I figured this particular tweak is system dependent. Why harm a manufacturer unnecessarily ... especially when the Herbie’s tube dampeners work so well?

On the "black background." What we are after with all of these tweaks is a lowering of the noise floor. In other words, there is a ton of electronic noise smearing the sound of our audio systems. Its noise that we don’t realize its there until its gone. Once the noise is lowered, there is more presence to the music. It seems more live. There is more of a three dimensional presentation. With each SUCCESSFUL tweak, more of that electronic hash is removed, therefore, a continual search for more tweaks to improve the sound even further.

Personally, I don’t think "black background" is a good way to describe it. Why? Because when we hear live music, we don’t make comments like: "Geeze! Listen to that black background!" We also don’t use verbiage like: ... "Oh my, listen to that detail" either. We just relax, listen to the music ... and get emotionally involved. This is what we want from our personal audio systems, is it not? Good tweaks like Total Contact, Omega E Mats, Herbie’s tube dampeners, Synergistic Research’s multitude of tweaks all allow this to happen. Oh ... and they have a cumulative effect as well.

Frank

@tochsii
One of the major topics of discussion on this forum is the objective versus subjective debate as regards the efficacy of all manner of tweaks and system adjustments. The lines are well drawn on this issue. For me, listening and enjoying music is an event involving my ears and brain not a mechanical measuring device.

I am on Day 14 of my one Omega E- Mat being installed on the upper half of my electrical service door. The positive impact that Mat has had on my audio system and video screens is obvious and undeniable. I have no idea what is in that Mat and how or why it does what it does.

I should be receiving more amazing Mats today or tomorrow. It will be interesting to see what impact a second Mat in the lower half of my service door will yield. I’m already to the point with my 65" UHD screen and 52" HD screen where I will need to adjust the video parameters as the impact of the Mat has increased the brightness and color saturation almost to the point of having it set to "vivid". The resolution of the screens is astonishing. You really haven’t seen what a UHD screen is capable of until you have had your electrical service subjected to an Omega E-Mat.

What about the E-Mat’s effect on audio? Higher resolution. Deeper, higher, wider soundstage. Much greater dynamic swing. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Wondering what the additional benefits of more Mats will be...🤔🙂
@hifiman5 

You should try the TC.  For $300 it is probably a bigger improvement per $ than additional mats after the first on the electrical panel ... although I can imagine others differing on this.
I imagine someday Tim Mrock will have an interesting tale to tell about the R&D that led to both products!
^^^

Both the Total Contact and the Omega E Mats are incredible upgrades by themselves. Together, they do magic. Will they have that effect in all systems? To be fair, the jury is still out on that issue. So far though, the vast majority are coming back with reports like hifiman5 made above. And, that’s just from installing one Omega E Mat in his circuit breaker box.

If you are considering buying Omega E Mats, be aware that initially they may degrade the sound somewhat. I had that experience with the one I recently put under the power conditioner. There was less presence, less like live music. The next morning it hit the WOW factor. So, I guess what I’m saying is to have patience with the Mats ... and the TC too for that matter. As some have stated, in some systems, the Omega E Mats take up to three weeks to sound their best. They just seem to keep improving. Install them ... and then just leave them alone.

Frank
I have been very busy as of late but I sat down last night for a listen and heard more musical content coming of the cds. 

Detail thoughout out the frequency spectrum have emerged that were nearly imperceptible before are now adding to the musical performance. For example, a brushed cymbal is definitely clearer and in time. Bass notes Are also more detailed and complex than I had noticed prior to the Mats being in place. 

The bottom line is that I don’t even have to be in the mood to listen to music, instead the music changes my mood to that of the music being played. 

rc
I received E-Mats 2&3 today.  Placed one on the inner surface of my service panel ( this time the bottom half).  So... I have two E-Mats in the service and the third under my PS Audio P5 Power Regenerator.  Any suggestions as to whether it should be label side up or magnetic side up under the P5?
I don't think it matters one bit, from what I understand it was only magnetic to help it stick to items like breaker panel doors.
I know it does not have to physically touch to work so I am sure any side up is good.
Tim recommended to me to place label side up, under the component. I listened both ways, thought the differences were minimal.
like fuses,and directionality, not sure I can discern the difference...try and enjoy, easy enough to switch over.
bob
I did find the Mats to sound slightly different whether the logo is pointing up or down. My suggestion is just to flip the Mat over after it has been in that place for 10 days and see is there is a difference. Some locations seem to have more of a change in sound when flipped than other locations.

David Pritchard
I have a Nakamichi cassette deck that hasn't been used in a year or two ... even though I have a ton of prerecorded tapes.   I decided to hook it up this morning and have a go at it

 After listening for about an hour, I placed two Omega E Mats, one on top, and one underneath the unit. Uhh ... to say it was greatly improved is an understatement. So, if you're still nutz like me and still enjoying cassettes, or if you have a good reel to reel deck, try a mat there. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. 

Frank
Frank
I have 3 Nak decks...lol
And more tapes than CD!

And as soon as the minimees released I will be trying them on at least one Nak!
Uberwaltz ...

I was using my Nak deck to record some of my favorite LP's so that I could listen to them in my car that has a Mark Levinson sound system in it. Its a 2005 Lexus LS 430 that still has under 70,000 miles on it. Super quiet ride, so the all-analog cassette tapes sound really good. Is that nuts, or what? *lol*

Hmm ... Mini-Mats on the car stereo?? Now you've got me thinking ... :-)

Frank


Go for it!
Sounds interesting.
I wonder if placed on car battery what would happen?
Well I have treated many of the electrical contacts  in my Honda Accord (including the battery terminals and speaker terminals ) with Total Contact and it did make a difference. I can not easily get to the electronics so no good way to try an Emat at that location.

Putting 18 Synergistic Research HFT's on the interior of the car then made a big difference in the car's acoustics.

Streaming Spotify via my I Phone to the Honda Apple link USB port now gives me great sounding - commercial free music of my choice while driving.

It does sound great.

David Pritchard