Perfect Path Technologies: Omega E mat

Update, after almost on the breaker panel and about about a month and a half on my CD player here are my observations on my system.

1. The additional base has become more integrated into the musical whole.

2. Finer musical details across the frequency spectrum have emerged. 

3. Dynamics are incredible.

So so far no complaints from me.

rc

Candella.
When was the main component of this mat disclosed?
I do not remember reading that here?

Correction on the word base. It should have read bass.

rc

Once the inventor patents the technology, it becomes public knowledge. The inventor said it is easy to copy. In other words, the patent will lead to immediate theft of the product by others. I don’t recall the inventor stating that it has not been perfected yet for audio use. He’s working on a third audio tweak involving acoustic applications.

I think Candella is referring to graphene technology.  Otherwise, I can't guess at what has been disclosed that Tesla and NASA are working on.

Actually not getting a patent doesn’t tell you anything about the effectiveness of the product. Nobody gets patents in this industry. They are too expensive and they don’t protect you from intellectual property theft. Actually they reveal how the device works. Hel-loo! Patents are like merit badges for Boy Scouts. Besides all the world loves a mystery, doesn’t it?

You have to dig deep into your own pockets to be able to defend your patent. That is another reason not to patent. If you actually had a break thru in technology you can only hope to have a company that has integrity and deep pockets to come in and buy you up or some large portion of your position. I am not sure that even a bullitt proof NDA written on graphene would offer an inventor protection during a one year discovery period while courting outside investment  Tom

I worked in innovation for 32 years.  @geoffkait is spot on with his statements above.  A patent simply gives others deeper knowledge and vital missing links on how you accomplished your innovation. Competition will learn from it and change one portion enough to call it their own and skate by. Best to keep it a secret.  

Nobody gets patents in this industry.

Cardas would be one exception to this, I suppose?

Actually they reveal how the device works.

Sometimes, even filing an application for patent (whether or not one is ultimately granted) can put your IP out there in the public domain. There are ways to avoid this. Published patents are viewable by the public.

https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s103.html

As GK has said, lack of a patent certainly isn’t reliable commentary about the "quality" of an invention.

dpjones51 - 
Well of course a (patent?) attorney is going to take that view!  :-)

In fact, patents don't provide automatic protection against infringement.  The holder needs adequate resources to defend AND the patent(s) must provide adequate scope to help against infringement to begin with.  Then there's always business as practiced in certain Asian countries to consider.  

If someone in say, China figures out how the device works and sells it in China you would never even know there was an infringement. Duh! Why do you think we won’t sell weapons or technology to certain countries. Hel-loo! Now, supposedly having a presence on the internet for a period of one years offers some protection against intellectual property theft but if that is even true it seems like very weak protection. 

These are all pseudo arguments. It wouldn’t be too much trouble to take almost any device apart or cut it open and submit it to a scanning electron microscope if that’s any help. Problem solved. But not everything in this hobby is so easily figured out. That’s why it’s sometimes a good idea to skip the whole patent process entirely and hope for the best. Besides tweaks these days is a very iffy business, moreso than ever, so chances are excellent the tweak entrepreneur will not ever get his money back he spent on the patent. In case you haven’t noticed most audiophiles who actually give a rat’s behind about tweaks are old timers, many in their 70s and 80s. How big a market can there be? 😬

Lawyer joke. What do you call a lawyer who’s up to his neck in concrete? Not enough concrete. 😀

An attorney wouldnt take a contigencey on a patent case. No way. Rambus who had or still has the patent on RAM memory chips did nothing but sue and be sued by companies from around the world for at least 15 yrs..They had very few employees...their greatest expense were legal fees. Their stock went down 40% one morning after a district court ruled in favor of a German chip maker. 
After years of more lawsuits and big bucks the case was over ruled. By that time the wind was lost in their sails/sales and so were many investors..and yes they finally received damage compensation. But to continue to bankroll that ordeal you need to have resourses to Stand up and Fight. Tom

@djones51- I agree with you. If what everyone is saying about patents has merit, then what’s the point of patenting anything? Also, your point about this being a game changer if it can do what is stated will not be addressed. I pointed out the exact same thing on the Total Contact thread when there were much more extraordinary claims about that product. Example- That product cuts your electric bill by a whopping 10%! Television clarity is enhanced, lights brighter, ’micro arcing’ eliminated, enhances any and all electronics, etc... I pointed out that every industry in the civilized world should be clamoring for this product. Tens of millions of homes and buildings on the world’s electric power grids, aerospace and defense industries, giant electronics corporations, power companies, you name it. Yet, that product has been out since the beginning of the year, and as far as I can tell, Audiogon is still the sole advertising/marketing venue for both products. Why on Earth would the inventor limit these as simple tweaks on a stereo forum when they have such a profound impact on all things electrical and electric power consumption? Doesn’t make any business sense to me. But, that is something only the inventor can address.

Sony or any of the big boys in the industry could not possibly care less about weird audiophile tweaks. Been there, done that. Ditto for NASA, military, DARPA, NIST, FAA, AES, and most audiophiles.

If what you say is true, which it’s actually not, then all the big boys would have already been scrambling to climb on board the graphene cables train, or the graphene fuse train, or the graphene contact enhancer train, or even the silver gold contact enhancer train, or the wire directionality train, or the artificial atoms train. Whoever was put in charge of googling new inventions or What’s New? is obviously asleep at the switch. Not only have they not been scrambling they are apparently blissfully ignorant that any such products even exist. Let sleeping dogs lie. 🐶

@geoffkait- Would you agree that these products, given their claims, go beyond a "weird audiophile tweak" and can have myriad applications beyond stereo equipment?

The claims made about patents and their risks are real. Also, why do some of you assume the owner has not taken this tech elsewhere? I am confident he has already and this audio thing just happens to be one avenue the owner is using.  He is an Audiophile so why not apply here also? 

Hi grannyring. Well, let's ask...!@perfectpathtech- there is debate on whether you have taken your invention's tech elsewhere besides Audiogon. Will you clear up whether you have or have not?

@grannyring- What would you believe carries more risk, filing a patent for your invention and anyone copying it can be subject to patent infringement laws, or putting your invention on the market unpatented where anyone can copy it and you would be powerless to take any legal action against them?

I had to deal with that question in my profession. The answer is it depends. I think you missed my point earlier. Competition will learn from your patent and this is key....then CHANGE and thing or two just enough to break away from the patent. You just managed to help others learn from your hard work and take it to the next level with some alterations. Surprising how slight these alterations can be to escape patent issues.

So if what you have is extremely difficult to figure out and tool for, then keeping quiet with no patent may indeed be the wise decision as it is highly unlikely competition will be able to respond in a timely manner.

thecarpathian
@geoffkait- Would you agree that these products, given their claims, go beyond a "weird audiophile tweak" and can have myriad applications beyond stereo equipment?

>>>>>How could I agree? I don’t know what the heck the thing is. Do you?

Because of what was just mentioned above. It is a reasonable approach.  

Ok, I give up and cry uncle! Oh my...

@geoffkait- That's why I stated 'given their claims'. Go on the premise all product claims are valid regardless of knowing its material makeup. Would you agree such products go beyond a weird audiophile tweak and can have myriad applications beyond stereo equipment.

djones51,

You have no idea what Tim has done, is doing, or will do in the future. He is a smart guy, and I would be extremely surprised if he was foolish enough to reveal any of that on a public forum. You're basically throwing around a bunch of wild, uninformed, speculation. What is your point/purpose in doing so?

You think Rambus is a good example, how about Virnetix (VHC).  They won four court cases against Apple for infringement.  The first two cases were retried as bifurcated patents.  Apple hasn't paid yet.  They owe $1 billion including mostly punitive damages and interest.  This infringement has been occurring over almost a decade on patented military software purchased by VHC.  Apple's continuous fight goes to attempting to bankrupt VHC.  Also, Apple could just buy VHC for under $200 million and forgo the damages but they just play hard ball and have the money to do so.

Another is Mylan's Epipen.  Mylan tweaked the epipen when it's patent was running out, just slightly and received a new patent.  Since then, Adamis and Teva received approval for their generic epipen's which also tweaked the patented epipen.  Production on the former hasn't begun and the latter is in the process while there exists a significant underproduction of the patented pen by Mylan.   

These are just two examples of patents and lawsuits. 

It is possible that the E-Mat has some formulation of TC embedded in it.  No one knows what TC is either.  As previously stated, tweaks are not viewed as investments by big companies or government agencies until they are a success or are their elements are known.  We should be glad that the E-Mat wasn't sold to Sony as it could just be buried after purchase and we wouldn't get to use it.  

“My only point is why in the world would someone sell something that does what is being claimed here without any legal protection at all?”

First, we don't know what legal protection may be in place. Secondly, others have already explained that, in some cases, keeping something secret may be a better option than seeking legal protection, through a patent or other means.

“ My guess and it's only a guess is there is nothing about these mats that can be patented. It's made from common everyday stuff.”

That is, as you said, only a guess.

He is not listening or understanding because he simply does not want to. I say we move on as sometimes folks have a notion and no amount of truth and reason will get through. This is at play here and now.

@tommylion- Without a patent, there is no legal protection in place. As far as keeping it a secret, how is he keeping it a secret? He’s selling them online. Anybody can purchase one, take it to a materials analysis service, find out exactly what it’s made of, and duplicate it with no legal consequences. And it’s not likely to need any exotic tooling equipment to manufacture like, say, a gear specific to some type of engine or a nuclear component. It’s a mat. A small mat. Composed of different materials that can easily be analyzed and duplicated. And I get what you guys are saying about patents and not divulging how anything is made. But do you agree that that applies much more to a complicated invention and not a simple mat.