I’m curious about this product from Perfect Path Technologies and would like to hear from those that have experience with it. I’ve bought and used the Total Contact enhancer and like what it does for my system so I’m interested in hearing how this Omega E mat performs.
thecarpathian @geoffkait- That’s why I stated ’given their claims’. Go on the premise all product claims are valid regardless of knowing its material makeup. Would you agree such products go beyond a weird audiophile tweak and can have myriad applications beyond stereo equipment.
Given whose claims? Who is they? Besides people claim all kinds of things. Claims don’t mean nothin. Nobody has to prove claims. Nobody has to make claims. Get real. We went through the same thing twenty five years ago with the Shakti On Lines and there have been similar claims regarding Peter Belt products, crystals, the Intelligent Chip, the Teleportation Tweak, audiophile products that affect video and so on.
'...cop an attitude'? 'Snapped'? Geoff, you're nothing if not mildly amusing...Like I said, hypothetical question. If you don't want to voice your opinion on it, just say you don't have an opinion.
I believe that earlier on in the TC thread, there was some research done on patents. I think it was Al who did the research and he came up with two patents that had been filed by Tim.
the carpathian says, "
Composed of different materials that can easily be analyzed and duplicated." How do you know it is a simple mat? Go ahead and be the one who discovers the secret(s) of the Omega E-Mat. Buy one and have it analyzed. Good luck with that. How do you know that once the product is sealed within the mat, it isn't transformed so as to be undiscoverable? Maybe it is also cryogenically frozen or zapped by 2 million volts to achieve it's activity? You and djones51 crack me up. You two know what's best for Mr. Mrock than he does. Go buy some E-Mats and enjoy the music.
Oregonpapa 8-19-2018 I believe that earlier on in the TC thread, there was some research done on patents. I think it was Al who did the research and he came up with two patents that had been filed by Tim.
That is correct, Frank. However those patents were from some years ago and had no relation to the mat. Or to TC for that matter, as far as I could tell from looking at the patents. From the TC thread:
Almarg 12-30-2017 The only patents I could find in a search of both granted patents and patent applications at uspto.gov, using "Mrock" as the search term, were these two.
However those patents were granted in 2011 and 2013; they do not mention graphene; and they appear to correspond to the older product Frank referred to in the OP that was co-invented with Brian Kyle.
A search I just did at uspto.gov yielded the same results that I stated above.
"Thowing stones at glass houses" djones51, since you're so smart, why don't you buy an E-Mat and discovers its' properties. Then you can profit from Mr. Mrock's work. You could be very rich propagating his invention to the whole world.
Mr. Mrock, I wouldn't worry about having your invention discovered anytime soon. These posters have no intention of buying an E-Mat and discovering it's secrets (if possible).
Actually Fleschler, it’s you who cracks me up. You think Tim has access to or has invented some exotic, previously unknown material that a company that is expert in materials analysis can’t identify? That they are constructed in such a way that the materials can’t be identified? Now THAT is funny. Please enlighten djones51 and me as to why our statements are so humorous to you. What points did we make that you find laughable? Do you find anything in our statements to be a lie? Do you think that by inventing this mat, not patenting it and selling it to any and everyone on the internet is wiser than not having patent protection? Please explain your position. And no, I would never buy this mat to have it analyzed for any ill gotten gain. Even though I have the means, I also have the integrity to never do such a thing. Tim invented it, it is his to sell. So, let’s have it Fleschler, what cracks you up about our statements?
Quick interrupt! Hey, guys, there is a long list of mysterious, implausible, unfashionable, preposterous audiophile tweaks that are nigh impossible to figure out. The chances are very high that NONE of them were patented. A technology that is just out of reach of the average person is the perfect product inasmuch as it cannot be knocked off. You can lock five PhDs in theoretical physics in a room for a week with any of these audiophile tweaks and they would be unable to come to grips. This is NOT a complete list by any means.
1. The Intelligent Chip 2. Silver Rainbow Foil 3. Morphic Message Labels 4. The Red x Pen 5. The Clever Little Clock 6. Brilliant Pebbles (crystals) 7. Purple pen around CD outer edge 8. Black cable ties around exterior drain pipes. 9. Schumann Frequency Generator 10. White Cable jackets
Well some of the statements that crack up Fleschler crack me and many others up. We have no idea what is in the mat, yet some speculate that it cannot be anything really new Or easily copied. Really? We have no idea. You have no real idea. This makes me laugh. Reasonable thought ..... right?
Also, credible reasons for not revealing every nuance of an innovation in a patent were given, but absolutely no credence was given to them. Again, since we have no idea how difficult and disruptive this technology is, the reasons given for not filing are certainly within the realm of reasonableness. Right? The inability to consider this makes me smile....sort of.
Since we don’t know the answers to these mat questions a reasonable discussion would be open to reasoned speculations. I am open to the speculative notion that the mat may be very easy to copy and nothing particularly difficult to produce. I am willing to say it may be so. However, it may be the complete opposite needing a careful plan to protect its design. Conventional wisdom regarding the safety and “wisdom” of patents can be debated in some cases.
I clearly remember and competitor thanking me at a convention for the patent on a cooking technology that was a complete game changer and disrupting the marketplace. He explained the process from beginning to end with great detail as he was an engineer and quite smart. Yes, he was able to read the patent. No doubt they are now working on this and will tweak it to make it their own. I wish we kept it out of the patent books as the competition would not have a clue till this very day.
Not if the mat is more difficult than you think to copy. Again, you have no idea how possible or near impossible it is. Simple stuff. You assume it is easy to buy, copy, and produce. You may be completely wrong. Yes, protection with a patent makes sense if your particular speculation is right. Perhaps you are wrong. Perhaps? Can you even say it?
My point is they would not have any idea what we were doing! Not a clue. No place to even begin to understand as they would have no knowledge, no insight, no intel, no place to start. Sometimes a patent is not the best approach. Sometimes. Not always or even often. Getting a patent is certainly conventional wisdom for many. You know just doing it because that’s what you’re supposed to do 🙂
I'm with grannyring. djones51 and carpathian only speculate on the negative, haven't used the E-Mat and are here to teach Mr. Mrock what's best for him economically? That is laughable.
Hi grannyring- just to clarify, I did not say it could easily be copied. I said its material composition could easily be analyzed and identified. Then copied. That is just a plain fact. I see nothing in that statement that could elicit humor. I don’t understand how you, Fleschler and "many others" find it funny. Also, I never stated I knew what the mat is composed of. So, actually no, it’s not a reasonable thought. A reasonable thought would be that it is not composed of any new, esoteric material that cannot be identified and/or duplicated.
"I already know it’s properties. It makes hifi systems sound out of this world at $600 a pop."
That’s exactly correct.
I’ve heard Steve Fleschler’s system after applying Total Contact. I have yet to hear his system with the Omega E Mats. He has heard my system with both the TC applications and the E Mats, and that’s what prompted him to advance his system by buying and installing the mats.
As for my own system, it is now way beyond where I ever thought a home system could go. I’m discovering new applications for the mats too. Just placing one under my power conditioner the other day made a significant improvement ... and that’s after having two in the circuit breaker box and one under each component in the system.
One thing we should all remember is that this is a hobby and its intended for fun and musical enjoyment.
And talking about musical enjoyment, here’s something I threw on the CD spinner this morning. If you like purity in female voice and ballad standards, this is one not to miss:
Yes, its a collector item now. Expensive too. I bought mine when it was new for $18.00. Maybe if you keep looking, or are really fortunate to run across it at a garage sale .... :>)
Goodness you are relentless in your speculative view. Just consider other possible realities and approaches as they may have some wisdom and that is how we learn. Agreed?
@grannyring- If that is addressed to me, I understand exactly what you are saying about patents. Exactly. By your own words-"Sometimes a patent is not the best approach. Sometimes. Not always or even often." So, in your opinion, no patent is the best approach for this invention based on the premise a patent would lay bare the composition and technology of the mat, making it easier for others to change slightly and emulate, else they would have no clue as to how to do it. That is your opinion. I am of the opinion that since it is not a piece of technology that I surmise needs specialized machinery or expensive custom tooling to produce, (since, you know, it’s a mat) a patent would be better protection than no patent at all. Especially since as I stated, the material can easily be analyzed and identified. Of course, we’re both just speculating and voicing our opinions. So I ask, what makes your speculations and opinions more valid than my or djones51’s ’laughable’ ones?
Getting back to why anyone should really care about the Omega E-Mat in the first place....
I followed this thread faithfully since it began on July 5. I kept reading the "hyperbolic" testimonials of Frank and Co. But the more I read of their "rantings" the more curious I became. Hey, I have bought some dopey tweaks in my time so I was very leary of all the "cheerleading" on this thread. But, I finally took the plunge and ordered a mat. I am on day 11 with the mat inhabiting the top half of my 200 amp service.
You know all that stuff I just said about hyperbolic, rantings and cheerleading, it was NONE of that. One mat. One. One mat has taken my system to a land far far away from where it was before. Everything is soooooo much cleaner and clearer. Unfrickin' real!!
And if that is not enough, you should see the picture on my 65" video screen. The colors and brightness...it's almost as if I set the picture to "vivid". Again, I'm only 11 days in. From the reports of those whose reporting on this crazy devise was absolutely accurate, I should realize even more improvements in the coming days!
I ordered a second mat today for the bottom half of my service so almost the entire area of the service will be covered by the two mats.
More to come...
PS A respectful suggestion. Get off the gear train. Set up a system that sounds right to you and then get at least one mat for your service to prove to yourself that this thing is utterly amazing. Thank you Tim Mrock! and thank you to the "cheerleaders".
Agree with your last statement. We just speculated on different ends of this and all is good. Nothing to laugh at. Your last post was clear and better understood.
I am fully aware that there are those who have felt that I have over hyped both the Total Contact and the Omega E Mats. Not true at all. In all of my writings here, I have understated their effectiveness. I've tried to use words that truly describe how good these things are in the area of improving SQ in audio systems and the picture quality in Video systems. Every word has been true. If I could think of more descriptive words to use, I'd use them. The fact is ... I've run out of words. (hard to believe, I know *lol*).
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A respectful suggestion. Get off the gear train. Set up a system that sounds right to you and then get at least one mat for your service to prove to yourself that this thing is utterly amazing."
And that has been my position from the beginning when I said that I am finished buying new electronics. Its totally not necessary anymore.
Frank
PS: We are in the era of $15,000 interconnect cables and $80,000 power conditioners. $300 for a kit of Total Contact, or $600 for an Omega E Mat? A mere pittance in the whole scheme of things.
Someone's been telling falsehoods and got caught? Or defaming statements?
Yes hifiman5, it's as if my custom movie settings have moved up to near vivid setting. I moved the brightness down 20%. My wife said to let it be slightly brighter than before with richer colors. That also was due to only one E-Mat on the main panel box. It covered all the main breakers which leads to two subpanels, one of which is my audio subpanel where two E-Mats reside on top of the panel. The outdoor main panel has the E-Mat within the panel door so that no one can see it and steal it.
@grannyring- Excellent! Thank you for that and it is indeed all good. My apologies if I sounded a bit confrontational. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.....
I am glad to read the Omega E Mat has improved you audio system and your Television picture. This has also been my experience. If your family watches a lot of DVD's, a Mat on top of the DVD player gave my system a further improvement to audio and video.
@davidpritchard, I just installed the SR Blue receptacle in place of the Black and, straight out of the box, I am awestruck at the level of improvement compared to the Black, Teslaplex SE, & all other receptacles I have tried and even relative to the Blue fuse. Could you please weigh in on the relative level of improvement of the E Mat compared to the Blue receptacle?
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