Made in USA

YG Acoustics speakers made in USA

kubala sosna cables are made in USA

I will try to tread as lightly as I can I truly feel empathy for citizens of all countries with less than stellar governments. China becomes a de facto partner with any foreign company manufacturing anything inside of it's borders. This applies to all trade secrets, labor practices, management, and patents are shared with the Chinese government. Companies move manufacturing there to take advantage of their weaker labor and environmental laws but nobody outside of China really knows what they are doing with all of the information they are gathering on foreign companies. As fractured our own government seems to be at the moment there is one thing both sides of the aisle can agree on, stop China from stealing and spying. Do you know how China became a major nuclear power, espionage, they stole plans for our W-88 from a nuclear weapons laboratory... Again this has nothing to do with average Chinese citizens at least the one's who are embarrassed by the dog meat trade that still exists there.

@bigkidz 

"My company manufacturers tube audio components in the USA.  My partner is Chinese so I guess our products are made in the USA by a Chinese man!"

Is your partner an American citizen?  If so, it's made in the USA by an American.

My living room is Cary Audio with Watkins Speakers

@deadhead1000 

Ask how people in Nepal feel. Hong Kong. How do people in Taiwan feel when under threat. We have nothing like the Uyghurs in the last 100 years of history. How about the forced displacement of Uyghurs with a planned influx of Han. How about their claims to virtually everything in the South China sea .. ask how Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia feel about that.

😂

My new amp is being delivered directly  from China by Balloon! No duty! I just hope it doesn't get shot down.

dayglow-your interpretation is baffling

"All time low?" 

It's just an audio forum thread.

I purchased my first tube amp last summer. It's a Rogers 65V-2 and was made in MA. Very happy with it so far. It has a transferable lifetime warranty. Not many manufacturers can do that.

@tablejockey   Comparing Hi-End Audio to a coffee mug? I think this response has hit an all time low.

You buy products from  Japan!?!? After what they did to us on December 7th 1941??

A little back story - I worked at a Radio Shack back in the 1970's and many a WWII vet walked in and were very upset that we sold stuff made in Japan and they refused to buy anything made in Japan. They'd actually became very angry at us for selling "Jap" stuff. 

Now of course, that's all been forgotten and it's now China who people refuse to buy from. I understood the Japanese hatred back then. My Dad fought in WWII and lost several friends. But I don't get the China hatred thing. They haven't shot up a school full of little children, crashed airplanes into buildings, nor invade another country. OK, I'll give a little bit on Covid, whether accident or purposeful, they actually hurt themselves more then anyone, so that kinda backfired. They have slave labor, but so do other countries. What they are doing to the Uyghurs is very bad, but it's not like we treat everyone equally either. So.....who are the saints and who are the sinners? And what does it have to do with Audio? I agree with others, I buy from Humans. At least until the Aliens arrive with better DAC's....or have they? Where did R2R DACS come from anyway?

Ah yes...play anti Chinese as we peck away on our MIC  computer,router and all cables-as you sip your coffee in a MIC mug.

Let's be real- unless you play with higher end goods-ARC,VAC,Atma etc. you're gonna have a product diluted with MIC something.

That's not saying some smaller companies aren't trying their best to "keep it real."

I enjoy my MICaudio value products. They do as intended and reliable as any US made product, such as my 1967 Mac tuner.

Assembled in USA is not the same as MADE, which is used loosely these past few decades now.

My Chinese Quads have better QC than my UK Quads (which I sold). Parts are beginning to fail after 15 years, especially panels exposed to sunlight, but even that, apparently, has been fixed.

Political, ethical, economic matters are another discussion, but let's be clear about what we are really talking about.

vladtheimpala 

I hate to POP YOUR BALLOON but the main reason there is an  anti-China sentiment is quality control or the lack of it .

At the same time being pro the country one is from doesn't directly mean that one is anti other countries .

McIntosh Integrated(USA),Speakers and Sub,Paradigm(Canada),DAC Musical Fidelity (European union)

CD Player Sony ES (Malaysia),Steamer Marantz (Vietnam)

If a product I desire is 50 per cent higher in price than a competing Chinese made product I'll fork out the extra dollars for it.

A very close friend of ours is one of the few who were allowed to observe the reality that exists in the industrial sweat shops of China.She was appalled by what she saw...

Here is my experience regarding electronics made in China-the" 1/3 rd rule"

One third function well for many years without defects.

One third have a minor irritating defect but otherwise work OK

One third are either DOA or crash after the warranty expires which is usually between 1-3 years...

Pathetic....

Wow, @vladtheimpala, any thoughts you would like to share on Russia as well?

Your show posts is based on a false premise,

"seething anti-Chinese mob"

I see nothing of the sort. I do see anti-China, which is much different. I don't see anyone hating on Taiwanese people and they are Chinese. Same with more in Singapore.

Vancouver, isn't that where the Canadian Government just recently said there was a concerted effort by foreign powers (China) to attack a federal election candidate, likely to the point of losing when they would have won?  Unfortunately, actions like that, as well as initial Covid coverup, and the massive racial shift in the makeup up the area based on the inflow of money (and people) from Hong Kong and China can lead to people lashing out at others via association as opposed to who they should be mad at, their government. Being forced out of an area after generations have built it up due to government allowed policies can make people angry. I am sure your government has taken total responsibility? (I am assuming you are Canadian). Feel quick to call me racist, but that issue is no different from uncontrolled gentrification which has hurt minority communities hard. Is that okay?  No more okay what "Americans" or "Canadians" buying up all best properties in a 3rd world country.

On the aspect of competition, is it possible for someone to live in Canada (or America) at the wage paid to the average worker in China? What about the overhead for employment standards, safety, environment? What about even overhead for what we consider reasonable infrastructure?   Level the playing field, and things become more competitive. Look at Japan now.

Clearly the imperial project to convert westerners into a seething anti-Chinese mob in order to garner public support for the coming war continues apace with very successful results. I mean, once you are no longer able to compete effectively, the only remaining option is to attempt to undermine or destroy your geopolitical rival.

Here in Canada anti-Chinese sentiment is increasingly nasty. In fact, I heard a news report last year that the greater Vancouver area was the #1 region in North America for violent attacks against innocent persons that appear to be Chinese to their attackers, whether they actually are or not. 

I personally do not care whether or not my goods originate from China.

The western world kisses the ring of the leadership of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia where public beheadings of citizens and non-citizens alike for such "crimes" as infidelity or apostasy are a matter of routine, and holds holy and above reproach the nation of Israel which maintains brutal apartheid policies and, once caught in the act, reluctantly admitted to running a covert racist undertaking involving sterilizing Ethiopian Jewish women immigrants without either their knowledge or consent. No, that is not "fake news".

PS...

Super integrated amplifier: Canadian engineered, made in China
Speakers: British engineered, made in China
CD player: Danish engineered, made in China
Headphone amp: US engineered, made in USA, (except for external PSU made in China)
Powered subwoofers w/ room correction software: Canadian engineered, made in Canada
Streamer: Canadian engineered, made in China

The preponderance of Canadian content is strictly coincidental. I am an internationalist.

My system is mainly USA designed and made. ModWright, McIntosh. I also have Revel, Rega, Hana & Furman. I’ve made a long, and expensive journey to get to my system:

ModWright KWA-150SE SS Amps Pair, in stereo mode, running biamped Revel F228be’s

ModWright LS300 Tube Preamp, ModWright PH9.0X Tube Phono preamp, Rega P6 w/880 Tonearm and Hana Red MC, McIntosh MCD-550 CD/SACD, McIntosh MR87 Tuner, Cambridge CXN, Tube Modded by ModWright, 2- B&W 608 Subs and my own home built Media Server with 11TB of movies and shows.

the soundstage is wide and 3D and being dual mono from input to output gives great clarity and distinction. 

A fundamental principle of economic liberalism is that competition drives improvement and lowers costs, while also promoting economic growth.

Economic nationalism runs counter to this.

However, it isn't quite that simple because there are two important words that need to come before "competition" and that is "free and fair".

Which is why we have trade agreements. However, for all of the above conditionality, historical experience is that international trade drives growth and economic nationalism restricts it.

Apropos the USA, in the 1970's it took European and, even moreso, Japanese car makers to force US Automakers to wake up and raise what had become utterly appalling quality and efficiency standards. Just one example...

My amps are USA as well as my preamp, speakers, a DAC, and cables. My computer, phone, and all of my clothing are from elsewhere, as are yours. 

How did you know my wife’s name? 

See ya!

Noise, noise and more noise.

Uh, ma'am....this is not Wendy's.

@sunkist69 you should go to the Cardas website and watch the video of the copper extrusion and spooling being done here in the USA.

Here you go pal learn something.

People should find out where all the raw materials are from or processed before saying this is made in a certain country. 

A lot of products in the audio industry which are labeled made in the US are in fact assembled in the US, like the majority of cables. 

Ask to see the Cardas factory and see the raw copper being made, if it exists. 

Noise and more noise.  Your glorious pontification his strewn all through these pages. 

Noise, noise and more noise.

Hypocrisy me? You have no idea what my politics are comrade. 

Have a good weekend off to the Jamaca for a few days with my bride.

Try and keep the noise down old boy. 

Two systems: turntables and cartridges are vintage British, phono and preamplifiers are a mix of vintage and newer British, tonearms are Japanese, power amps are vintage American, and speakers vintage British.

I guess I am late to the party!  My company manufacturers tube audio components in the USA.  My partner is Chinese so I guess our products are made in the USA by a Chinese man!  LOL

Happy Listening!

Only jerry can take three very short responses to some long winded BS and claim they're pontificating. He never complains about politics he agrees with; only those that he disagrees with and therein lies the rub. Hypocrisy, thy name is jerry. 

All the best,
Nonoise

@stuartbmw3 +1

drrsutliff

Good to see you in 2023.

Happy Listening!

68pete

Yes!  this is the "problem".

Happy Listening!

@bigtwin all good I love @nonoise just not his politics, pontificating and hypocrisy.

Would not harm a hair on his old bald head not a fan of elder abuse. 

I consciously try to stay away from products manufactured in China. I realize there are some (many) things that are impossible to do that on these days, but where I can, I try to do it. Where I can I will spend my limited cash supporting companies not in communist/totalitarian countries. Maybe an over simplified approach, but that is how I think. My audio gear is from the US, England, Japan, and yes Taiwan. I support their desire to stay free of the ROC.

"Only Larsman reads you posts. "

I don't count, don't matter apparently!!!

:)

@nonoise 🤣🤣🤣 All the best to you too.

@nonoise @jerryg123 Hey guys.  WTF is up with you two.  It's getting embarressing having to watch the back and forth like an old married couple.  STOP THE INSANITY.  For what it's worth, I use the picture of myself, age 6, as it best suits the level of much of the discourse on this forum.  Please, both of you, give it a rest.  

Noise is noise.

Facts are facts.

Only Larsman reads you posts. 
 

Enjoy the silence political pundit.

It's not wrong to support the U.S.A and its allies... at least here we have the freedom to disagree... and the freedom to ask questions.

Boycotting or even sanctioning countries - or certain people - is legit practice.

I won't be calling out names here on this forum, but some of the naivete and juvenilia being spouted on this forum is astonishing.

Design in USA   Built in USA   Assembled in the USA   Not all the same. Parts can be sourced from any where and be put under any of these labels!

@nonoise + 1

Boulder

MSB Technology

Mcintosh

Revel

…

Older Polk Speakers, Older JBL Speakers

McIntosh, Audio Control, Hafler 

@ czarivey

My Chevy has 72% North American parts content, the second highest of any North American automobile.   Not even close to the 20% you sited    And regarding depreciation, used examples of my automobile from 2020 forward sell for the same as original MSRP or even more.

Now that we got that out of the way, my stereo equipment is mostly USA assembled, including VPI from NJ, Benchmark from NY, McIntosh from NY, my JBL’s were built in Northridge California, some old Crown amps from Indiana I don’t use anymore, and I also have Harbeth’s however they’re from the UK.

many people don’t think their racist, antiX, proY posts are edgy. They just think it’s free, open, peaceful discussion, thinking out loud, expression, exchanging ideas. But as soon as someone says: "hey you’re intolerant" they call it unacceptable.

@grislybutter   Top marks!  You're totally right.  This politically correct era drives me mad and just encourages me to be more edgy.  The blackboard/chalkboard debate was typical of the utterly stupid position of these people.  What about blackbird, blackcurrant, blackberry, etc etc then?

Gryphon - Denmark

Origin Live - England

Ortofon - Denmark

Soundsmith x 2 - USA

Rockport - USA

Wolf Audio - USA

VPI - USA

DSA - USA

Synergistic Research - USA

Adona - USA

My main speakers are Klipsch Heresy IV, of their Heritage series: USA

My older speakers, now amazing people in the living room are Epi (Epicure): USA

My main amp is Marantz Ruby: Japan

My amp with my older speakers in the living room, also Marantz - nr1200, but I believe assembled in Malaysia (?)

Here's a memory lane walk that doubles as a eulogy to what used to be made here:

Just have to love jerry's way of acknowledging my outing his lame attempts to keep getting back at me. Ever notice how he gets more juvenile the angier he gets? 

As for outliving me, you'll have to stop working on that second big one that's sure to happen if you keep it up (but you just can't help yourself, can't you?)

All the best,
Nonoise