Rachel Carson was 100% correct and we owe her a debt of gratitude for Silent Spring...from the New Yorker: “Silent Spring,” a landlubber, is no slouch of a book: it launched the environmental movement; provoked the passage of the Clean Air Act (1963), the Wilderness Act (1964), the National Environmental Policy Act (1969), the Clean Water Act and the Endangered Species Act (both 1972); and led to the establishment of the Environmental Protection Agency, in 1970." Also, if you don't think overpopulation is an issue you might need to get out more.
Love it when it snows
Nothing quiets things down like a nice blanket of snow. The roof is muffled, and the forest too. But I think there may be even more going on. Doesn't snow often here, but every time it sure does seem like the power is cleaner. For sure the listening is better.
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Wolfie ... That's exactly how I feel when I'm traveling from my house to LAX and fighting the bumper to bumper traffic down the 405 freeway. It is a 50-mile trip that takes at least three hours. As I sit in the traffic, I wonder ... from where in hell do all of these people come from? And where are they all going? When I drive from my house to Las Vegas, not so much. The point is, everyone wants to live on that narrow strip known as the California Coast Line that extends from San Diego to San Francisco. Driving North through the Mojave Desert, there is wide open spaces between Bakersfield to Utah. And beyond that is Middle America's wide-open spaces. Still plenty of room for expansion. By the way, as a person who grew up in the Los Angeles area in the 1950s, I can tell you that in comparison to then, the air here is as pure as snow. Frank |
The reason that air is now as " pure as snow" is someone began a sentence with ....The government should... so we got the clean air act and you can thank unfettered capitalism for that 1950's miasma of breathable particulates. America's wide open spaces are filled with opioid addicts now with no jobs or hope yeah what we need is more people. People go where they can find work and it isn't in the Mojave desert or a wheat field in Nebraska. |
Yes the space is there and the right question is should we? Not only is it an environmental question but an economic one, who will live there? Young people today want different amenities than my generation a big house and a nice green lawn and a $25k stereo system isn't what they are looking for so they are flocking to urban areas that meet their desires. In my city there is an urban renaissance and it's the younger generations you find congregating in these areas. |
All solutions to all problems are already available now.... The only thing that lacks is the collective conscious organized good will...Nothing else is necessary... This the apex of the actual historical mankind tragedy... We will die not because we lack something, we will die because we will not use it.... :) |
The socialism versus capitalism debate is a 19 century old and dusty fact that look now more like two eyelets for horses ....We must see and care for the 22 th century because the 21 th century is way on his course already....We need new thinking from the bottom to up, not the reverse...And this cannot be oligarchy (usa) nor authoritarian socialism(china)... I will suggest a key word : participative democracy... A concept rarely and seriously contemplated...The conditions for his implementation are for sure incompatible with many of the actual social economic politic conditions... By the way if we must go with the topic: Snow is key to the survival of our spirit and not only for better sound ( a dry winter is best for sound here)...Hexagonal symmetry is a teaching, linked to the prime numbers, and key to understanding the universal memory.... A truly desired awakening indeed... :) Ok ,i apologize for abusive use of this thread topic... |
Participative democracy is older than socialism or capitalism and yes has rarely been used the Paris Commune and anarchists during the Spanish revolution are two examples that come to mind. Marx and Engels were influenced by participative democracy from the Paris Commune in the 19th century and George Orwell in the 20th from the Spanish civil war. The biggest problem is getting enough people involved a more recent small example was the Occupy movement who used a participative model. |
The biggest problem is to create a new concept of money ( that problem is solved but this is not very known)...The communication problem ( local small community distant from more distant participating one ) is now solved... To be on topic: Let imagine that the constant creation of SNOW and his constant melting process is an able metaphor for a new creative process,a living new concept of money that does not accumulate without melting progressively and which value correlate in his variation to real economic work ... I am vey proud to be on topic.... :) |
Global historical records from NOAA are the basis for the charts and models indicated in that article in the op. https://youtu.be/mGe9JO58Uc8 Fact or hack? There are legitimate concerns here and need to be either accepted or dismissed based on facts. Unfortunately the response comes as personal insults and name calling and not debating facts. |
I will suggest a key word : participative democracy...The Greeks tried that. They drew lots to fill positions for civil service on a yearly basis. That way it involved everyone. When it came to be your turn, you did your civic duty. Those that didn’t were called idiota. It’s where we get the word "idiot" from. Heh, wasn’t our present system founded on that very same concept? And, why are there those who decry our participation in government through our directly elected representatives, falsely calling it "big government"? We had the largest and most successful rise in the middle classes and it scared the hell out of the elite. That’s when the mantra that government is bad for you came about and what do know.....some bought into that crap. It was made all the easier to believe because it was race based: one of the easiest ways to sway the small minded since it was always there. One academic likened our present society to a football stadium with it’s own right and left wings represented on the field. It’s the one that Reagan built. The one before it was the one that FDR built. He went into more detail but I’ll cut to the chase: we need a new stadium. All the best, Nonoise |
Indeed. Make the government the enemy and the corporations will come to the rescue. So rather than have "of the people, by the people, for the people," a cohort of the citizens seem to want a quasi-oligarchic dictatorship with someone at the helm of equal intelligence to themselves.Wonderfully stated. It’s why we’re in the predicament we presently find ourselves in. All the best, Nonoise |
nutella: Global historical records from NOAA are the basis for the charts and models indicated in that article in the op. https://youtu.be/mGe9JO58Uc8 Indeed. Its the Golden Rule for Lawyers: When you don't have the facts, argue the man. They don't have the facts. So they argue the man. |
Like the facts of DDT...or was that argue the woman instead of the facts... The fact is the climate is changing and human activity is contributing to it. That's the fact from every scientific group studying it. The only difference between them is how much are humans contributing and how much time before coastal cities are under water and dry areas have turned to desert causing mass migration, wars and strife over limited resources. That's the facts but hey let's ignore all that after all the smart people know it's just a Chinese hoax ha..ha...ha those stupid environmental nuts are being played...right? |
The facts of DDT were already mentioned: banning it cost millions of lives. The facts of manmade global warming- CO2 is indeed a greenhouse gas. Humans do indeed produce a lot of it. How much? As much as volcanoes? No not even close. As much as plants? No not even close. Skipping on down the list we find that of all the sources of CO2 human beings just aren't a significant factor. Believe me, you don't want to argue the facts. Bjorn Lomborg, founder of Greenpeace, look it up, was given a position at a prestigious university where he sent a whole army of grad students out to gather the evidence to prove to the world just how big a global crisis we face. His army came back and you know what? Its not a crisis. What we need most is clean water. Sanitation. CO2 and climate are so far down the list as to not even be on it. For having the temerity to report these FACTS Bjorn Lomborg has been un-personed. Because warmists always argue the man. Never the facts. They don't have the facts. Not even. |
Los Angeles has been expanding into arid land for decades, leading to a water crises that's really hitting its stride and 3 hour commuting being the norm. I also lived in L.A. as a kid and the smog was insane, but the improvement in L.A. air quality has been an astonishing triumph of science and regulation which forced emission standards on reluctant car companies...amazing. The indigenous Chumash "Angelenos" called the L.A. basin "the valley of smoke" so the ability to trap pollution goes way back. |
The facts of DDT were already mentioned: banning it cost millions of lives.And there, in this very sentence, you have it. Despite the facts of the situation at the link above disproving it, this zombie lie continues to lumber along, like locomotor ataxia, ever ready and willing to spread the lie to another, uniformed audience, in the hopes of someone, anyone, falling for it. To think that that motivates one to do what they do..... All the best, Nonoise |
And as for anything Tony Heller puts out: https://skepticalscience.com/search.php?t=c&Search=Steve+Goddard The guy is a quack, but one of a soft spoken nature, meant to sooth and lull. All the best, Nonoise |
DDT was never banned worldwide only in the US when did millions die in the US from this ban? Human activity has contributed close to 33% of CO2 since the start of the industrial revolution. Source NASA. Other contributors, water vapor, methane, nitrous oxide all caused by natural and human activity. We can't control natural we can control human. |
Any treat, whatsoever the treat, never mind the treat, or the real causes behind a treat, the most important thing that eclipse all the rest, is a unifying collective consciousness with a common goal...Arguing about detailed precise causes is good for creating science, or destroying the topic on a forum, but a long way to the essential... :) The snow flakes can ask about where comes the cold or the heat, or can think about the signification of their hexagonal form, the same form with not one identical tough...They cannot change the cold or heat phenomena, coming from their activity in certain zones, less in others one, but they can unite in thinking....Hexagonal geometry is universal after all... Hexagonal geometry is best for sound.... Only some fact among numerous others : http://www.morethangreen.es/en/brick-hexagonal-cell-new-geometries-against-noise/ I am back on the topic.... :) |
Wow did this thread get derailed (even after an admin peepee slap). In any event @jond it's currently snowing on the mountain 1 hr west of DC, hope we're still on to spin some tunes tomorrow. The good news is if millercarbon's next coming of the Cambrian Explosion happens we're 3 miles from the Mt. Weather Bunker... Also... in an attempt to bring this back to the OP's comment- I completely understand what you're saying when I'm out doors/in the woods - the silence is glorious. Unfortunately inside we're beholden to HVAC, fridges kicking on, etc... I pay it no mind, those that can't enjoy music w/o complete solitude/prefect settings are never-to-be-happy crumudgeons. |
"How much? As much as volcanoes? No not even close. As much as plants? No not even close. Skipping on down the list we find that of all the sources of CO2 human beings just aren’t a significant factor."It seems that one drop can never spill over the glass. It also seems that humans do not have priorities straightened out yet. First plug the volcanoes, then kill the plants, and when you fix everything on the list that was before humans’ impact, it may be time to deal with what was easier to deal with before plugging those volcanoes. Good approach. |
Steve Goddard, Tony Heller, which is it? Seems the same man is using both names. Is it because he's been thoroughly discredited under his real name so now he has to use an alias? Can't wait until Tom Selleck wears out his welcome scamming the elderly out of their homes as he'd make for a great climate denier spokesman. He's straight outta central casting and oh, so trustworthy. Oh, and he had to make amends for stealing public water to save his avocado trees because as we all know, it's just a hoax. Imagine someone going so far as to hire some goons in what could be confused to be a public utility vehicle, hook it up to a hydrant and steal thousands of gallons of water. Repeatedly. Since he denies global warming, why didn't he just wait until the next year? It all goes in cycles, right? All the best, Nonoise |
You forgot to mention: Blood, Frogs, Lice, Wild Beasts, Pestilence, Skin Disease, Hail, Locusts, Darkness. etc. As for the real modeling predictions, I have to go back to my favorite site that looks at everything, especially what the naysayers say (and so should all of us) :https://skepticalscience.com/ipcc-global-warming-projections.htm That site is a great source for those who’d like to educate themselves and cut through all the BS. Your googling fingers will thank you. All the best, Nonoise |
It is not necessary to look for apocalyptic information in bible or in some fools sectarian delirium, left or right... National geographic is not Nature, but it is not religious stuff no more than it is sectarian prophecies... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2019/02/why-insect-populations-are-plummeting-and-why-it-... If insects decline does not alert you, change your field of study, or better, enjoy life and quit science; audio field is a good idea tough, not too complicated, but anyway a bit more complicated than we all think, nevermind, we can all fuck... :) |
nutella216 posts01-18-2020 7:34am Global historical records from NOAA are the basis for the charts and models indicated in that article in the op. https://youtu.be/mGe9JO58Uc8 There you go. Ask yourself this, people. If man-made climate change is such an impending catastrophe, why would the government propose that gigantic industries be allowed to purchase some "carbon credits", to the tune of hundreds of millions, or billions, of dollars, rather than address the "issue"? https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/12/greta_thunbergs_fantastic_voyage_for_socialism_exem... |
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Peterson is not an idiot, except for those who cannot read his main book, not the best selling one by the way, the other one... His advice to nourish humanity and educate it, is pretty much the only one planned solution for developing a collective conscious goal oriented humanity... This is astonishing when you think that making that happen will not cost so big money compared to the armed forces budget of only one nation (guess which one? ). His citation of Bjorn Lomberg is interesting... For the "American thinker" reference I am not very interested tough… :) But thanks builder3 for the video... |