charles1dad, Your comment, " Based on your explanation this would suggest that the insulation material and construction/implementation is probably more a significant factor affecting sound quality than many would suspect.", leads to make me believe the graphene surrounding the wires in the GE cables is doing something right in regard to photons resulting in better conduction/sound. Other cables that use very thin insulation, Mapleshade & Anticables, have in my opinion great initial transient response and dynamics that might also be linked to in this case very little insulation. I'm encouraged by Bob's great results from using graphene in his cables, and especially how affordable they are considering the advanced tech and the cables users are replacing with GE cables, kudos Bob.
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Now, this is not a advertisement, just a posting sharing my experience on some well made great sounding cables at a very reasonable price. Besides, I don't think Cerious Technologies is set up for a big influx of cable orders.
But, if you get the chance to try these cables, please do.
I have been interested in the newer cables coming out that are using Graphene as a conductor. SR cables seemed interesting, but I always hated the way there cables had all those extra wires (with the active shields and such). I then noticed an ad early in I think November or December from Cerious Technologies for Graphene cables. I investigated how the cables were assembled and it seemed like quite a laborious process.
I ordered (with a 30 day money back guarantee) the balanced Graphene interconnects, and boy did they impress me. Such depth, soundstage, realism, frequency smoothness, effortless sound. I was truly impressed! I now have a complete loom of the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables. That is; interconnects, speaker cables, digital cables and power cords.
I ended up selling all of my other cables and to those of you who have read my postings know that cables have always been my curiosity.
So, as I began this post, let me again iterate, I have no alliance to the company, my posting is for those of you looking for an great alternate high quality Graphene made cable without spending a fortune.
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Thanks for the nice words, gentlemen. Charles, yes, I assumed that "Alet" was either an auto-correct thing or a typo. Although that happens to be the name of a river in France. For the record, in my case Al is short for Alfred. Regarding your comment that followed my previous post, as previously indicated the choice of insulation material will affect the propagation velocity of the cable. In itself propagation velocity figures to be insignificant in the case of analog signal transmission, since the propagation velocity of pretty much any cable will exceed 50% of the speed of light, and hence the resulting delay will be completely insignificant. It may very well be significant, though, in many cases involving digital signal transmission, although in ways that are component dependent and don't have a great deal of predictability. The propagation velocity of a digital cable factors into the rationale underlying the 1.5 meter length recommendation you've probably seen cited as usually having the greatest likelihood of being optimal in S/PDIF applications. That likelihood, though, will also be highly dependent on certain characteristics of the signal provided by the component which drives the cable, especially what are referred to as signal risetimes and falltimes, which in turn are usually unspecified. FWIW, my intuitive guess is that in the case of analog signal transmission the most significant consequence of the choice of insulation material is likely to relate to the effects on the signal of dielectric absorption. Regarding your comments about overall cable design and construction, yes, that will of course affect resistance, inductance, capacitance, "characteristic impedance," skin effect, and just about any other cable parameter one might name. Each of which will have varying significances depending on the specific application. One further point which may be of interest regarding the various forms of electromagnetic waves that I mentioned, namely visible and invisible light, radio signals, X-rays, gamma rays, microwave radiation, and any kind of electrical signal. What distinguishes these things from each other, most fundamentally, is simply their frequency. And correspondingly their wavelength. For any electromagnetic wave, and also for acoustic waves for that matter, frequency x wavelength in a particular medium equals propagation velocity in that medium. Best regards, -- Al |
Lol Charles, I knew it was Al. And I agree, he's quite an asset to the site. Good insight klh007. Funny you mention Mapleshades wire as I had their Double Helix Plus speaker wires at the same time I recieved my GE cables. I really liked the Mapleshades and I hated sending them back but the GE were more to my liking. There's something special about the GE cables that's difficult to describe. They sound "right " to me......the right balance of warmth, detail, dynamics, tone and great imaging. |
Al, Given the extremely high speed of propagation velocity the delay factor would be as you note insignificant (due to the lengths of audio cable). But no doubt that insulation/dielectrics exert some level of sonic influence. For example the maker of Ocellia cables is adamant that there are characteristics that favor natural materials (cotton, paper or silk) vs synthetic/plastics in regard to dielectrics. Obviously I’m in no position to affirm or reject this idea other than to say that so many variables affect what we hear. Granted some variables are more recognized and supportable than others. Audio is fascinating, television/visual domain doesn’t seem as mysterious or interesting (or maybe I'm simply bias toward this field). There’s just something about listening to music and its effect on humans. Charles |
The GE speaker cables have made a very nice contribution to my overall sound. I wanted to get more potent bass, better dynamics and more organic sound of real live instruments and the GEs deliver it. My VMPS RM40 speakers have never sounded better. After continually returning to Speltz Anticables following trials with several different cables, I stepped out and tried the MG Audio Planus III copper wires which finally were significantly better sounding than any I'd had before. I tried some of Philip's Amadi Maddie Signature silver wired cables and they were even better and a whole lot less expensive than the MGs. They were also easier to use as they were not fragile and didn't pose a tripping hazard. The GEs were much better in all the areas I listed at the beginning, plus you could hear more sounds that were previously obscured at least partially. The build quality is outstanding and if someone breaks into my house, I can take those suckers off the binding posts and beat the Ned out of the unsuspecting intruder. For those that are unfamiliar with Ned being a quantity, you'll need to check this term with my mother-in-law who has told me this several times while playing cards against her. |
Al wrote, "One further point which may be of interest regarding the various forms of electromagnetic waves that I mentioned, namely visible and invisible light, radio signals, X-rays, gamma rays, microwave radiation, and any kind of electrical signal." Al, glad to see you hop on board the photon train. Compare and contrast what I wrote last year on this very subject on this very thread, to whit, "All electromagnetc waves are comprised of photons. I.e., not only is visible light on the electromagnetic spectrum made of photons, but also X- rays, gamma rays, HF radio waves, SHF radio waves - everything on the electromagnetic spectrum. Including audio signals. They’re all photons." Is there an echo in here? 😀 cheers |
Charles wrote, "Mac I also have much appreciation for science and engineering. Knowledge is a good thing no doubt. I just don’t need to know the why and how of something to enjoy it. Give me an opportunity to listen to a audio product and I’ll render a verdict. Lack of an adequate explanation as to how something works won’t detract from its performance." On the other hand it can be quite entertaining to watch audiophiles’ eyes glaze over at the mere mention of electrons or photons or heaven forbid, quantum mechanics. Let us just hope with all our hearts no one ever starts a thread on quantum mechanics based tweaks. Let’s keep this civil. 😄 |
Geoff, while much of the discussion of photons and electrons might be over my head I look forward to reading more off what you, Al, Bob and others have to share on the subject. Call me an audio geek for wanting to learn more! Great einstein quote.....if only my knowledge equaled my imagination! Heres another.... " The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." - A. Einstein |
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Uh, oh, I'm getting a bad feeling again. Did someone forget to put the Roach Motels out last night?You should be thankful they were not put out. Ozzy - This thread has already taken a bad turn. Instead of posting on experiences with or asking questions about Cerious Graphene Extreme cables, we are now on a tangent of angels dancing on the head of a pin, and further digression. |
Dave, I've heard your model of Tidal speakers on two occasions and I know how good they are. You have a rare yet extraordinary amplifier so I believe your system has very exceptional resolution and ability to finely discriminate musical nuance and subtleties. You had/have the HFC CT-1 power cable which are universally praised. IMO it says quite a bit that the CE Graphene are right at home in such a system as yours. I've used the same power cables for 7.5 years (happily). Based on your impressions I've a growing curiosity to try them with my SET mono blocks in the near future. Thanks for your input. Charles |
Charles, I can't make any comparison to your current PCs, but the blue sounds amazing with my ASL Tulip SET. I just swapped out my old Emission Labs mesh plate 45s for a new pair of their 2A3 mesh. I thought I might lose some of that 45 "magic", but the magic is still there, along with a little more authority & headroom. |
Thank you guys for the advise on having my Bi-wire Cerious cables separated into (2) 4 meter pairs. I just sent them in for the surgery, changed my ad and I already have some interest! Now to buy longer Cerious (blue) power cord and longer interconnects for my future tube mono blocks. Along with also another amp stand, shorter speaker cables etc. It never ends, does it? ozzy |
same here ptss! I don't give a "F" if Bob's cables are made out of rubber as long as they sound good. And I am willing to pay him for his cables because I don't know how to make a good sounding cable from cheap rubber. It is also not fair to criticized his cables if you have not heard them. As a matter of fact, I just got the speaker cables from Bob and I sent him an email after listened to them for less than an hour that I am keeping his cables. They are just awesome! |
With all seriousness the Cerious GE cables are not only the best cables I've ever owned but are one of the best audio values to boot. I couldn't be happier with them and I send a huge thanks out to all those here that shared heir experiences with these cables that led me to purchasing them. I MIGHT have paid some heed to the very few negative comments had they actually heard the cables they mock, but all they did was make me question their true motives. |
I agree with mac48025. I just got a another pair of the speaker cables for a second system and I love what I hear. The best cables in my system ever and I've tried a few. I don't care if the cables are made of fairy dust although some people will want to debate the exact composition of that dust and then present alternative facts. why is it the only complaints about these cables come from a very few who have never heard them? |
Ptss since your so set on calling Bob a liar we would all love to see your Bio and background. Here's Bob's list of accomplishments. http://www.cerioustechnologies.com/corporate/bio.html Cerious Technologies President Robert L. Grost has such a diverse background that one of the hardest questions he has to field is being asked by someone “What do you do?” The most common answer is “Inventor”. He was born in Lansing, Michigan into a family of prodigies. His older brother started Michigan State University at age 9 and had his PhD by age 16, including being named mathematician of the year at age 11. His sister won national design contests in interior design. Robert, the youngest, sought a field that combined disciplines of engineering and the arts. Meeting his future wife Kathy, he was informed it was time to “get a real job” where soon after he joined General Motors as Senior Project Engineer for Body Structures Corvette. There he pioneered composite structure research focusing on sandwich structures that eventually were employed in today’s Corvette introduced in 2003. This was 1984 and fiberglass/carbon fiber/sandwich composites were deemed “too radical for production”. Based on his work at Corvette he was promoted to Senior Project Engineer for Advanced Acoustic Programs directing acoustic research programs. He was 28, the youngest to ever reach this level, and had no college degree. He left GM to form Unity Audio in late 1985. Unity Audio was a loudspeaker company that pioneered advanced materials for enclosure construction. It sold products in 16 countries and had over 70 dealers worldwide. The culmination of his work occurred in 1996 when Unity Audio displayed the first fully computer interfaced surround sound system at the 1996 Consumer Electronics Show. Since Unity Audio, Mr. Grost has worked in IT holding the position of Senior Project Manager for New Technology/Deployment, General Motors World Headquarters and achieved a B.A. in Business Management Information Technology from Northwood University. The past four years he has concentrated on research and development of new and radical materials for the defense industry, specializing in synthetic syntactic ceramic foams for ballistic armor applications. Realizing the application of his materials for audio applications he founded Cerious Technologies in June of 2005 to bring these materials to the consumer marketplace. |
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Thanks for sharing that bg1968. In my discussions with Bob it quickly became apparent that he is very intelligent and passionate about acoustics but I had no idea just how gifted and accomplished he is. While his cables speak for themselves and are above reproach his life accomplishments are even more impressive. It only demonstrates further just how immature and pathetic ptss and his rants are. I have no problems with anyone not liking a product or questioning their marketing claims but such vitriolic and unsubstantiated claims are childish at best. It's no wonder that so many of ptss's post have been deleted from this thread. |
