KEF R3 I wanted to love them! They looked and sounded great at the big ol’ Magnolia Audio showroom, and I assumed that if they sounded good there, they’d sound GREAT with real gear (vinyl, tubes) at my house. But there was something happening around 3Khz that made my ears ring. Some things sounded really alive and exciting, but there was always that sharp upper mid spike clobbering me and forcing me to turn the music down. After a couple of weeks of break-in (pink noise, dynamic music, etc.), I finally gave up and returned them.
2nd Prize: B&W 685 S2 These guys got such universal praise that I HAD to check them out. To be fair, they sounded more full-range than I’d expected (even subjectively deeper and more dynamic bass than my previous Nautilus 805s). Definitely a detailed speaker. But as their manual described,
"where there may be a significant increase in the amount of detail compared with wha tthe listener has previously been used to; the sound may at firstappear too "up front" and perhaps a little hard"
... yes. When the MANUAL tells you this, maybe it’s a sign?It went on to recommend a break-in period of anywhere from 15 hours to a month "or longer." After 3 days, I couldn’t hack it anymore.
B&W 8 series ---Just plain plain and boring sounding. Piega Master Line Source 2 --- I so wanted to buy them and then I heard them...ughhh just terrible Magico S3&5 ---- they were just to bright and in your face. I know I would have gotten tired of them quickly even though they are considered a high end speaker.
I will stick with my Viking Acoustic Grande Voix Dual Horn speakers everyday of the week.
I'm in the camp that the KEF LS50 is way over rated for the price. I have a pair of Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 that sound almost as good for a third of the price.
Years ago I had a pair of Walsh Ohm towers that sure never did it for me and were expensive as heck. Same with a pair of Dynaudio Contour 5.4. Almost 10K and virtually no bass.
I have a pair of used NHT bookshelf in the garage and they sound great for what they are and cost. Had a pair of PMC TB2 out there that were awesome and wished I'd kept. Like other have stated, have heard several B&W's and Monitor Audio's in high end shops and thought they all sounded decent but way to bright and would be so fatiguing in no time.
Thank you for the feed back. I appreciate it. I was truly surprised by the PSB and Q Acoustics lack of detail in the higher end. Luckily I was able to demo them both at home with free shipping and free returns. The BW DM 600 have a good detailed tweeter but overall, I need more. I will put the Monitor Audios next up on my list. There was a pair that came up in the fall and were gone in minutes
@mowkewp4 I’ve listened to the B&W 704 S2 in a demo, but ended up getting the Monitor Audio Silver 300. The MA has the defined treble of the B&W and sounds incredibly "fast" for a dynamic speaker. The Silver 300s have a a smoother top end than the 704 S2 while not yielding any clarity or quickness. Subjectively, I think the Silver 300s also play much in a more coherent way than the 704 S2s. As a reference point, the 704 S2 was a huge step up for me from the B&W 603 S2 in sounding musical.
After years of being away from really critically listening to music, I found myself last year with the "itch" again. I am a budget listener...so trade offs are always part of the equation. In the past I'd try to read up on so called recommendations and visit local hi-fi dealers. I had Epos ELS-3s that were okay. Went to some smaller Energy CB-5s that I thought were decent for the money. I then bought some BW 600 S3s. Followed those with some Boston Acoustics CR 55s. I've tried and returned PSB Imagine XBs and am about to do the same with Q Acoustics 3030is. The last two, I have been so disappointed in the upper registers. For example, playing "Walking on the Moon" by the Police, so much information and detail is missing. The BWs have a brighter more defined treble but it does have draw backs. I'll keep looking. A friend recommended JBL Studio 530s...hopefully they are better.... My point, I guess, is that I like brighter more defined treble. Any recommendations would be appreciated
Hi vegasears, I understand what you are saying. The CS6's do not have that chest thumping bass if that is what you are looking for. I grew up in the 70s when we played hard rock loud and fuzzy and the drums kicked you in the gut. These days if I play Black Sabbath or some hard rock record it is almost comical because the music is so clear and refined. The Pass amps make for strong bass but it is still not like Wilsons, for example. This may be heresy to some but I added subwoofers which takes the lows down deep and adds some oompf but still not that sharp kick in the gut. I don't think subs go high enough for that. If I crank it up real real loud the bass can get strong but I'm scared something's going to blow and I don't like it that super loud. 86 dBa average is very loud to me these days. I would say that the Thiels are not the best hard rock speaker out there but they excel at Jazz, vocals and are good with classical.
I have Thiel CS6's and never could get them dialed in, after a bunch of amps and cable I pushed the against the wall and moved on. They are my biggest audio miss-judgement and costly mistake. The last two days have been rainy so I set them up. Incredible mid range and detail in the upper frequencies. As always with these speaker the bass is OK but seems like it was an engineering after thought. Some mistakes have a silver lining. My current system is Endgame!
I noticed one major speaker brand that has not been mentioned in this thread of infamy and that is Sonus Faber. I have only heard them twice in stores but they sounded very good to me in the store. I also like Wilson speakers. I have heard Wilson speakers in someone’s home and I liked the sound. True story: I had a work buddy in the late 80s who had Thiel 2 2s with Spectral gear. They sounded very good. I was using planars at the time and his Thiels were the first box speaker that didn’t sound like a box to me. 13 years passed before I bought my first Thiel speakers and I bought them used because every time I auditioned them in a store they were too bright, strident and sometimes I thought they would drill a hole in my head. I wanted something more dynamic than planars but I couldn’t find the right speaker. Based on my buddy’s system I finally bought some used CS3.6s to try. It took a couple of amp and cable changes but they finally made me very happy. A few years later I got the CS6’s. No fatigue issues here but they are finicky about source components and cables.
Pretty much any Klipsch for me. Yes, even the Klipschorn.
At every price point, there are speakers that are more accurate, more detailed, better imaging. The Klipsch's good dynamics are not nearly enough for me to overlook everything else they don't do well.
Back at the beginning of the summer, my cousin had a new pair of Hersey IV that he loaned to me while he was out of town. I had them for almost a month.
At first, I was taken in by their excitement and dynamics. But it didn't take long for all their warts to take over.
As requested, these are just speakers that lived in my home. I've plenty of opinions on metal domed and diamond tweeters as well as horns in general (and that's ignoring brands that never did it for me).
Genesis II+ (1978, not the known Genesis co.) first speaker, still have. McIntosh XR-240 (early 90s) so-so, poor choice, traded for 2.5i's. NHT 2.5i mid-fi (used with other NHT's 1.5's, 1.3's) for video purposes. Martin Logan SL3 (1995-2011 main audio) picky but good, still have. Thiel 2.4s very nice, not so dry (had my brother's pair 6mos). B&W DM-302 (2000) tad bright, a gem at $199/pr, still have. Dynaudio Sapphire (2012-2016) replaced SL3 as 2 channel, traded. Dynaudio Excite X-12 (2014-2016) nice with small R.E.L, traded. Scansonic MB2.5 (2015-2016) fabulous, w/sub even better, traded. Raidho D2 (2016-present) Possible last speakers. Stunningly beautiful sound, aided by DSP and R.E.L. B1 sub rarely (if desired, not needed).
I once heard some B&W 601s at a show with some friends. They were on chrome pedestal stands being driven by some Arcam gear.
We were all surprised that such small speakers could sound so large.
I later auditioned some 602s and whilst I didn’t end up buying them, there was no denying that they were very well rounded speakers. [ I’ve also heard some B&W Zeppelin Bluetooth speakers which were nothing to write home about, but that’s another story.]
Therefore it’s a bit strange to read that later and far more ambitious models are failing to satisfy.
Surely, in a head to head, the 800 series would be better than the 600 series? Especially given the reputation of their much vaunted tweeter tech in their larger speakers.
Could it be that as asking the price goes up our expectations go up accordingly?
If so, then would it ever be possible to be satisfied?
Therefore might it not be better to forget about price and judge purely on sound quality?
For example I heard the Kerr K320s at another show and whilst I loved them, I found the much larger (and more expensive) K1000s left me cold. They just sounded more washed out despite their power handling and dynamics.
They reminded me of the Naim S 600 with their BMR driver. Impressive in scale but not in tone.
This thread seems to be suggesting that every listener has a correspondingly different set of needs when it comes to loudspeakers.
It just occurred to me that most people who dis B&W's (800 series) have only heard them on the terrible ROTEL equipment at Best Buy. I agree that they are overpriced, but what isn't? If you want to hear what B&W can do, go to am audio expo and listed to the actual Nautilus, with its four stereo amps of 350 wpc. I know people who spent more and got less, even with only one amp. Check out a google search of Lucas Sound's demo system, with a whole bunch of diamond 800 speakers. Even this system costs less than a lot of folks pay.
Sometimes its not the speaker but the combination of the speaker/amp and room that causes such brightness.
Also, many people find horn speakers too bright, but, in actuality, they may be driven by the wrong electronics or, better yet, they are right and what you have been listening to previously was wrong. I've heard some excellent horn speakers.
it may sound good to your ears, but, may not be correct. I can't tell you how many speakers I've heard where the bass was way over the top and people were sitting there enjoying it. no way was it recorded that way. But, they had ear to ear grins on.
years ago I heard a McIntosh system, amp/speakers, etc. that literally drove me out of the sound room. However, I don't believe that they equipment was properly broken in.
One must be careful taking someone else's word on equipment. As you can see on this forum, there are many people that are very biased in their opinions of equipment. And worst, they haven't even heard the equipment you are talking about.
Go to audio shows (when Covid is over) and listen. I've been to many and read reviews from others that claim that the particular system sounded like crap. I was in the same room and in my opinion, the system sounded quite good. you have to hear and see for yourself.
Dsp is not acoustic treament and not purely acoustical controls...
It is not designed to replace mechanical (vibrations and resonance) controls...
It is not designed to lower the floor noise of the house grid...
It can help....
I dont need it ....
And remember that my goal is peanuts cost Higher S.Q.
I succeed to a great extent then i dont need nor want to invest money in DSP...
But i will try a free program this summer to adjust my speakers and room with a mic to finetune my results...
My system is more than good now at 2 listening different positions....I trashed so to speak my 7 pairs of headphones.... Then... I think that my room/speakers are good now... 😊
For those that say that the Focal’s are bright are just not setting them up properly and getting the most out of them. And, that may be true for all speakers.
For sure you are right no very well known designer of speakers at this price point is stupid...
Most people ignore totally that right out of the box in their room, no speakers at any price can work at their optimal and wished level of S.Q.
They ignore what i was ignoring totally myself before i discovered it by simple experiments in the last 2 years: Any audio system parts and the system itself must be rightfully mechanically and electrically and acoustically embedded...Reviewers sells gear they dont explain HOW to use it at all... Most of the times they ignore it themselves and it is easy to spot when you know....
No upgrade can replace these triple embeddings controls, only hide their fundamental impact behind apparent secondaries "upgrade" in S.Q.
Sorry for those who think they know some speakers because they have bought it....Or because it is mainly an firstly a matter of their "taste"....Embeddings controls has nothing to do with "taste" and "upgrade" either to begin with.... "Taste" play his part at the end and at the last moment when all controls are in place, then someone can speak about "taste" for some speakers and less "taste" for another but only IF the 2 branded names compared are rightfully embedded....Not before....
Looks like we have mentioned every highly rated speaker.
I own the Focal Sopra 2’s, they are 8 feet out in the room. I have them on Iso-Acoustics Gaii-1’s footers. I also have in my room ASC tube traps in the corners, Stillpoints Aperture 2’s and other acoustic treatment. I am also using tube mono blocks.
Anyway, the Focal Sopra 2’ s are the best sounding speaker I have ever heard in my audio room. For those that say that the Focal’s are bright are just not setting them up properly and getting the most out of them. And, that may be true for all speakers.
A lot of Klipsch. Including all their new Bluetooth stuff like Sixes. And LS50 from KEF, completely overrated (Xeo 2 from the Danes is spectacular at that price range).
Can't agree more with @danvignau I, too, own a pair of the latest B&W 800 series and I don't find them bright at all. I'm also someone who can't stand bright sounding system. I have had tinnitus for years and bright sound aggravates it.
I remembered auditioning the B&W in a few dealers and they all sounded bright to me. But I took the leap of faith and purchased them anyway because I owned a pair of B&W CM7 and they sounded great. I pair my 804 D3 with Parasound pre and power amps JC-2 and JC-5 and they sound great with lots of details and not bright at all. I think pairing the speakers to the right electronics is the key.
I’m inclined to agree. My modest music centre did sound pretty good in our old house. My current system is supposedly vastly superior but not as satisfying.
I will repeat myself but if someone has not lived through a complete transformation of an audio system, without any upgrade of gear, reaching a higher new scale of S.Q. with acoustic treatment and controls ( non electronic one in my case) it is UNIMAGINABLE...
And most people has never experienced it , and if so on an uncomplete and small scale...
My luck is i own a room only for my audio experiments, nothing else, then i lived throught this astounding metamorphosis of a frustrating low cost system to a new one so good that even any system at any price will not urge me to upgrade.... My system is by no means the best there is, but is embedded the best i could during my last 2 years experiments...
If the vibraphone and the piano or the orchestra are in the room with natural timbre perception in 2 listening positions the goal is achieved...
Nobody can exagerate the impact of acoustic, everyone is engaged in the valuation impact of electronic design of amplifier or dac they just bought.... This is consumerism blind to the necessary measures and works linked to the controls of the 3 working dimensions of any audio system....Valorizing mainly electronic design is an half truth that hide the audio journey precious goal: everybody with a modest system but a good one can enjoy true hi-fi experience modulo the rightful embeddings controls...
My saying is not very popular among those who boast with 200,000 bucks system for sure, especially when they never have put a great effort in their acoustic management... 😁
But acoustic is more around 80 % of the S.Q. than around 50 %, of the potential which a system can deliver.... i increase my percentage in the last 2 months because of my new Helmholtz room tuner and bottles flabbergasting impact ... 😊
"It is the ROOM..... No speaker can exceed his room, any controlled room can exceed any part of the audio system in potential S.Q."
I'm inclined to agree. My modest music centre did sound pretty good in our old house. My current system is supposedly vastly superior but not as satisfying.
Some of that will be down to me being a lot younger back then and in the early days of discovering the world of rock music courtesy mainly of 2 books (The Illustrated "New Musical Express" Encyclopaedia of Rock and Paul Gambaccini's Critic's Choice: Top 200 Albums).
Even so, some of that must have been down to the room. Perhaps my previous room was a little bit more lively, and that fitted better in with my tastes?
Unfortunately most of us are constrained in the choice of what (size of speakers) we can put into our room nevermind which room we can put them in.
Therefore it's mostly a question of making the best of what we have.
Anyway, point taken, every loudspeaker must be considered in conjunction with the environment it is to be used in.
As someone once said, it is usually a question of placing one box inside another one.
It is incredibly difficult to find speakers that don’t at least annoy much, in one way or another.
I dont think that my Mission Cyrus are so good and better than the best names people named here...No way... They are good but cannot beat most highly designed speakers... My ols Tannoy were better for example... But why the Mission are so amazing now ?
They had no defect on any count to my ears.... Is it their miraculous design that produce miracles?
Not at all, it is the passive treatment and active controls of my small room...
Save for little cheap box, and some exceptional badly designed speakers, it is the ROOM who kill or ressuscitate speakers...I repeat that because if someone never experience it by himself it is incredible and UNIMAGINABLE...
Some use very,very costly, gear and their sound is bad, fatguing and the timbre unnatural why?
Who really think that a 100,000 bucks speakers are bad? No way, designers at this level are not stupid....
It is the ROOM.....
No speaker can exceed his room, any controlled room can exceed any part of the audio system in potential S.Q.
Over the years I’ve not seen ProAcs getting much flak from users.
@inna,
"Listening at moderate levels might help a little."
It does.
Every single speaker I’ve ever owned began to throw out unacceptable levels of bass and treble distortion on the rare occasions I wanted to turn the volume dial a bit further than usual.
But then I have never owned speakers like the really big Tannoys, JBLs or Klipch’s. Apparently some fancy clubs in London used to employ Tannoy Westminster’s to get the party swinging.
Or at least they did back when we were all still free.
Alright, I get the picture. Absolutely any speakers disappoint at least some people, and that's assuming that match with the electronics is correct. To continue. There are no real good speakers, not invented yet. Speakers are always the weakest link, in this sense. Recording and room too. It is incredibly difficult to find speakers that don't at least annoy much, in one way or another. Listening at moderate levels might help a little.
Gday from Australia, hope you're all well. I was dissapointed with a set of Tannoy XTF8's. I found they lacked Bass response. Apart from that, they were ok. I was running them firstly with a Cambridge Audio CXA60, and then a Parasound P6. Same result. I sold the Tannoy's for a set of Australian made Transmission Line Speakers, made in Sth. Australia. I've kept the Parasound, but have purchased a Primaluna Dialogue Premium preamp. Wow, what a difference. I should say, I know it's two different types of speakers, also, I upgraded the woofer to a 10inch,versus a 8inch with the Tannoys. But in saying that, I was and am absolutely blown by the difference in bass response. All the best of health to all of you.. Cheers Ricey... Greg 7, at first glance, I thought that was a Devo hat... ..GREAT BAND
Dunlavy SCII. Fortunately I worked part time at the shop that sold Dunlavy’s so I was lucky the owner let me return them as he wanted the pair I ordered to set on the floor for demos. Had an Audio Research tube amp and preamp with ARC CD2 and even with all ARC they were thin/harsh sounding with no life. No life and no bass whatsoever... I think the little EPI 100’s I had as a kid were more enjoyable. Might be exaggerating there, but boy was I glad to trade them back in for a pair of ProAcs. The ProAcs were a huge improvement. Heard all the Dunlavy’s in the store, and although the refrigerators were much better you had to have the room for them and good luck with the WAF.
This question reminds me of the "journey" my Klipsch LaScalas have made with me. I bought the pair first, before I could afford hardly anything even remotely equal to their quality. They had to endure crappy SS Cambridge Audio AV receiver, Crap CD players, #16 guage speaker cable, $2.00 interconnects, Ortofon Red (Crap), $100 preamp....At each upgrade, those Klipsch revealed their potential. All the common criticisms toward "horny" speakers were there on steroids. Weak bass, flat soundstage....Getting the Raven Nighthawk made my eyes pop out as did the Tellurium Q Black II speaker wires, Better CD player....What I'm getting at is, these speakers became different speakers, way better speakers as my kit improved. DRAMATICALLY so much so they frankly DO NOT SOUND like the same speakers. If I read how someone doesn't like a speaker think synergy. Each piece of kit has to play nice with the rest of your set up or else AND then there's always that room. Sometimes I wonder if a "cheap" speaker couldn't made to excel in the perfect context. If you hate your speakers, try changing stuff around them. Maybe they do truly stink BUT probably more can be done to create better playmates.
"while you may be correct, I cannot spend 19K on speakers that don’t sound right during an audition, and then HOPE I can make them sound better in my home."
Nor I hope should anyone else ever have to either.
At 19k I would certainly expect a loudspeaker to be close to the state of the art in every measure. With a low end of +/- 3db at 34Hz (from their own spec sheet) it's a bit disappointing for such an expensive design to begin rolling off the bass so early.
You did well to ignore what you'd read and go with what you heard. Sometimes these reviewers 'forget' to mention that a big name speaker might simply have no real low end.
Every Tekton that I have heard after the Double Impact.
The Double Impact, for it’s price when it came out was/is a solid rock and party speaker. Fun, fast, good bass. Sure, the cabinets are borderline, and they have a fair amount of resonance. But at 3k (I think 2500 when introduced maybe?) - it was competitive.
The DISE - $2500 more, didn’t hear much if any difference from the DI. (I do see it’s down to 4k recently). Still not sure I would drop that extra 1k.
Double Impact Monitor - ah, might as well pay the 1k to get the DI.
Anything with the BE tweeters - pushing bright for me when I have heard them.
The Ulf’s and MOAB’s... honestly I just didn’t hear much more out of them then I did the Double Impact. Same sound, maybe a little more of it, same OK cabinet, paint job etc. At those price points, would be nice to have more bracing, a decent grill, and an option of veneer over the rattle can paint. (half kidding, it’s better than rattle can, but it’s not great, nor based on a friends pair - durable).
So from a disappointment standpoint - Tekton, as a line-up was disappointing to me, with one notable exception - the original DI. It’s not perfect, but no 3k speaker is. It’s a definite one to look at in that price range (but you have to get by the cabinets, so-so build quality etc). But, if I were going to do a party room/bar/big gym - heck yes they are on my list. If I were in college... I would scratch and claw to find 2k to buy a used pair.
But I would not consider any other speaker in their line-up. I also understand the caveats of customer service with Tekton. So, that is a part of it.
Others that disappointed - Focal, anytime I’ve heard them, that damn tweeter just has to be the star of the show. I did hear a pair of Sopra 2’s with a rogue tube-amp. That helped a lot, but the bass sucked then.
The Paradigm Persona ear bleed inducing line-up... too bright. (though, if your hearing has faded, or you have legit hearing damage) and you listen at low to moderate levels I could understand someone looking at these. They are at least coherant from top to bottom (something I just didn’t find with Focal). But if you like to listen remotely loud... not sure I would consider the Persona’s (maybe the big boys since the bass is powered and you could run tubes in the pre-amp, and possibly even the amp to smooth those suckers out).
Oh, Zu audio. Had a pair in the house. Love the company attitude, the speaker look, the USA build... but nope couldn’t stand them as speakers. (they were great about refunds etc)
For main floor standing speakers, the SVS Ultra Tower, it sounded just OK, but could not handle any real power without distortion. For subs, the worst of the lot were any of the SVS subs I tried; mud, pure mud. The next worst sub was a Paradyme Prestige 2000SW, it had the same basic out of musical tune as the SVS only with a LOT more power, so it was MUD squared which shook the dishes in the kitchen with a lot of non descript noise. I preferred to have no sub at all to letting that one play. It was on loan from a local shop and I used it only one day before it went back along with the SVS Ultra 16 sub, which too was terrible. They lent me a pair of Bryston Middle T main speakers to try out, WOW! I mean these just sang in my place. I ended up stepping up to the Bryston Model T's which were Wow on steroids, especially with the PX1 external heavy duty, no holds barred crossovers with massive air core inductors. I have yet to hear any speakers at any shop which sounds better than my Bryston's. Now using a Bryston Model T triple woofer sub and two other Axiom Audio subs, one with a single 12 inch driver and the other with dual 12 inch drivers; both with the same amps as the Bryston. I don't plan on ever changing any of these speakers; in fact I had Axiom custom build me beautiful center speaker using matching drivers for the Bryston's in black and a knotty pine cabinet.
It is not the speakers that lack bass it is probably the room acoustic
while you may be correct, I cannot spend 19K on speakers that don’t sound right during an audition, and then HOPE I can make them sound better in my home.
It’s possible I’m expecting too much. But, I would expect that the dealer would have done something to make those sound as best they can, given their price point - these aren’t cheap speakers.
-Zu dirty weekends mk ii are really good in my setup except one aspect. Made them better with clarity cap upgrade (smoother upper end) and with snubbers taking them from a 12 ohm load to about 8 ohms BUT they just lack low bass. They play low bass, and very tuneful, but doesn't move air. -Vandersteen Model 3's- Don't sound bad, but don't have the detail or imaging of the zu's, but have the low end covered beautifully. Still have both not sure which I like/where to go next. If I could find a speaker that has the zu voicing with vandersteen bass, game over. -Tried a pair of Rel T/9 and could not get them to blend with Zu's. Good product but the zu's low excurtion rate is tough to "match" with high excursion Rels. Timing issues I believe. Not satisfied as of now with either but this hobby has no endgame I'm learning!
In general french speakers, Cabasse, Triangle, Focal, Jean-Marie Reynaud are too bright to my ears, it's a pity because they have a lot of other good qualities...
It is not the speakers that lack bass it is probably the room acoustic..... With my 7 inches driver i listen cello with my stomach.... Thanks to my room controls.... If not i would have been here complaining about my Mission Cyrus lack of bass...... Is it possible that a company that sell 19,000 bucks speakers sell them completely lacking the Tuba bass note which is in the bass driver specification description anyway?
I dont doubt your impression and review, but speakers always need controlled acoustic of the room, some speakers especially so.....
There is an amazing shortage of speakers in my state to audition, so I spend hours reading online. I was pretty convinced these speakers at $19K would be fantastic.
Auditioned with moon separates but was disappointed in the total lack of any bass. One of my favorite tracks is Gordon Lightfoot’s If You Could Read My Mind - there was so much music missing, totally disappointing.
The original Talons failed to impress but eventually Mike got it right and the latest versions are excellent. Gave a pair of Fritz monitors away after a month of suffering a bright upper end and total non-linearity. (Owner was reluctant to take them back and credit me.) Owned a pair of ProAc Supertowers and did my best keeping their metal tweeters tamed by using all tube gear, but those metal tweeters could be harsh! Regarding the above references to the U District dealers in Seattle, one notable omission: The Audio Connection. John has been an excellent resource and dealer with an unvarnished, though sometimes biased opinion, with a fabulous ear. He specializes in offering excellent AND affordable systems. I owned three of the Speakerlab kits before going mainstream and the best of them all was the Speakerlab 30 which was designed by Milo Nesterovic. That was a great speaker.
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