I've owned VTL amps for 20 years and have been very happy. My current amps are VTL 450MKII and have never had an issue with them. My previous VTL 300 Deluxe Mono Blocks were upgraded by VTL twice and during my visits I met with Bea Lam and Luke Manley, super nice people.
Which amplifier should i buy
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Iv'e already asked , quite similar question , but i would like to clarify my question. So , Iv'e ordered a new speakers, Magico A3 and now i want to buy an amplifier, a tube amplifier. The amount of money that i can allow myself is up to 20,000$. The possibilities that i thought about are : zesto eror 300 / vtl MB -450 series ||| signature / vac phi 170 (two - i mean transform it monobloc) . Those are the options that i thought about till now. Does anyone can recommend which is the best option in this amount of money , it doesn't have to be from the option list that i mentioned.Unfortunately there are brands that i can not buy in my country (ISR) , for example cat....
Thanks to anyone .
Iv'e already asked , quite similar question , but i would like to clarify my question. So , Iv'e ordered a new speakers, Magico A3 and now i want to buy an amplifier, a tube amplifier. The amount of money that i can allow myself is up to 20,000$. The possibilities that i thought about are : zesto eror 300 / vtl MB -450 series ||| signature / vac phi 170 (two - i mean transform it monobloc) . Those are the options that i thought about till now. Does anyone can recommend which is the best option in this amount of money , it doesn't have to be from the option list that i mentioned.Unfortunately there are brands that i can not buy in my country (ISR) , for example cat....
Thanks to anyone .
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I have a Cary SLP-05 Preamp with the Ultimate Upgrade and Cardis wiring. Don’t waist your time with the SLP98 when you can get one of the best sounding preamp around. It’s a two chassis rig. I use to have Cary Audio CAD805 AE. As great that amplifier is, it wasn’t enough power. Trust me on that. It is perfect for an efficiency speaker which the Magico isn’t. To calm the screaming tweeters down, you are right to go with a tube amplifier and definitely a Monoblock. Keep it close to the speakers which give you the opportunity to run a shorter length of speaker cable to the speakers. I use to have the Audio Research Reference M160 as well as the Reference 250SE. The McIntosh MC2301 was better with imaging, midrange and bottom end. Everything sounded natural with plenty of grip. This will run cooler than the Audio Research by a lot due to proper spacing of their tubes within the chassis. Trust me, you will appreciate this. The tubes will last 2 to 3 times longer than Audio Research and VTL. I hope this helps. |
I would definitely go with McIntosh MC2301 Monoblock amplifiers. Check them out. You will not regret it. https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/amplifiers/MC2301 https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/amplifiers/MC2301 https://www.listeningpost.co.nz/Brands/McIntosh/McIntosh-MC2301-Valve-Power-Amplifier-__I.38672__C.2... |
I like the sound of the Audio Research gear - and in my opinion have the ability to provide rock solid bass and the ability to delivery dynamic music as good as any solid state amp including my McIntosh. I'd also give a listen to McIntosh MC901 at that price point. Good luck and enjoy the process and the music |
I saw on this site a 300B Set costing $10,000. I was disappointed that such an expensive amp uses electrolytic capacitors in the plate power supply instead of the far superior never go bad with age polypropylene capacitors instead. An SET amp is easy to design and to build. You could use 833As driven by a good 600 Ohm transformer output direct to the grids. |
Seriously, what you were always going to get is an exceptionally long list of member‘s own favourite amplifiers. Which may help somewhat. But in the end you are going to have to make a shortlist of suitable amps yourself and listen to them in you own home environment: there are no shortcuts. The idea that there is one best option out there, and that you would get a consensus recommendation on this Forum is a fantasy. Moreover, you would be a fool to buy blind on the basis of a recommendation. |
If I were in your position I would get the McIntosh MC2301’s and never look back. They are 300 wpc, McIntosh reliability, and last I checked come in right at $20k. The only other high powered tube amps I’d put against the MC2301s are 1.5x - 2.0x the price, being the VTL S-400 and the Conrad Johnson ART300s. |
Why on earth would anybody drive those speakers with a tube amp? Tubes are fun with high efficiency speakers with modest current demands (pretty much the opposite of the Magicos).Many good ss suggestions above, but with the kind of dough you want to spend might as well get the Hegel H30 and buy a second one when you can afford it (you probably won't). Alon would likely concur. |
Have you looked at McIntosh? A hybrid MA1200 would be killer with those speakers and have all the power yet the smoothness of the tube front end you are looking for. Plus they have looks that kill! https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/integrated-amplifiers/MA12000 If you are not a McIntosh Autoformer fan then look at their MA352 which is another hybrid of theirs that has big power and is aesthetically stunning! Here is a good review on it where the reviewer has Magico A5 with it. Email him and ask any questions on how the amp pairs with the Magicos https://www.soundstageaustralia.com/index.php/reviews/462-mcintosh-laboratory-ma352-integrated-ampli... Good luck and have fun with those beautiful speakers! |
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haimr, running a tube amp with speakers that have a 4Ω impedance and are only 88dB efficient is swimming against the tide. Running a tube pre-amp with a H.Q SS amp may give you the sonic signature you're looking for without the hassle/expense of tubes. Any idea the number of tubes you're going to go through driving that kind of load? I suppose you're over 21 so you're going to do what you're going to do. I'd recommend the Antique Sound Lab, Hurrican. 200 watts of juice, they're reasonable priced, and with your budget they'll be plenty of elbow room left over to buy tubes. https://www.hifishark.com/search?q=antique+sound+labs+hurricane |
Another hybrid suggestion: Absolare Integrated. I've only heard them once at a show but they sounded very good, very natural. https://www.absolare.com/integrated-amplifier/ |
Nice set up! I had the ARC Anniversary 40th, followed by the the Ref 10 preamp and I auditioned both the BAT and CAT counterparts as well as the Soulution 725. I finally landed on the Octave Jubilee Preamp. It was the clear winner over the competition and after 3 years I have never cast a wondering eye to other offerings. Best of luck in your hunt. Have fun! |
Carver 350 monos will handle any speaker you throw at them. And at under 10 grand you will have money to spare to change out the signal tubes to NOS. The power tubes are kt120's and with Carvers DC restorer circuit they run very cool and have huge long life. I believe they warranty the tubes for 10 years. Unheard of. Definitely something to consider. |
Now that you have seen opinions from everyone else, I'll add my 2 cents. For considerably less money, I strongly suggest that you look at the UNISON RESEARCH "UNICO 90 or the "UNICO 150". Hybrid design allowing reproduction reflecting the best of both worlds. I consider these to be "musician's amplifiers". If you desire to spend more, consider their monoblocks and preamps. |
From all I’ve read over a period of time the CAT JL5/JL7 power amplifiers have more stout/robust power supplies higher reserves and energy storage thus higher current capability compared to ARC . This according to posters on the whatsbestforum.com forum who’ve compared these two brands. I’ve heard both but not in direct A/B listening. Charles |
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I listened to the A3 a few months ago while auditioning speakers. At the time I took my ARC Ref110 with KT120 so I could have a fair comparison what each speaker sounded like with my own amp. The A3 did not sound that good with the ARC. The dealers also agreed and said the A3 like higher powered solid state. |
If you can wait a year or so, a new tube is on the horizon. The KT-170 is supposed to be a powerhousehttps://www.ebay.com/itm/Tung-Sol-Platinum-Matched-QUAD-FOUR-NEW-KT-170-NIB-KT170-tubes-24hr-Burn-in... |
chorus They sound like they "could" be a real winner, as it’s said they use 1.5mhz switching frequency, like the mega dollar SE-R1. I started a new thread on these as they look very promising. https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/mytek-empire-monoblock-power-amps-with-gan-based-technology (put the tube to bed with these speakers haimr OP) Cheers George |