We Need A Separate Forum for Fuses

What is especially notable about this thread and this particular issue is the extraordinary lengths some will go to to avoid conducting a listening test themselves that has any basis what so ever is scientific validity and yet they keep insisting that others try the tests and they even recommend testing that is not scientific in the least! One must wonder what motivation they have other than trying be the the saviors that some claim to be when in fact there is no one here who seeks to be saved.

Some folks are beyond salvation 👹

The answer is simple. It’s called intellectual dishonesty. It’s just a little game they play. The game is called Let’s Pretend to be Real Skeptics. Nothing to take too seriously. Just play along. 

geoffkait"The answer is simple. It’s called intellectual dishonesty. It’s just a little game they play."
I suspect that there is truth to this to some point but it is apparent also that many of these people are actually just consumed with faith, fervor and belief it is there defense mechanism against fear and the unknown and we must be tolerant and accept they're faith for they are free to embrace the gospel of they're choosing as are we should we choose to embrace a faith at all of course if we choose to not embrace a faith that must also be tolerated but tolerance is something that audio fundamentalists are often short of as is evidenced here on a regular basis.

@geoffkait 

Please be reminded, you are to have the "last word". 😂

You must (rpt must) respond to clearthink. 😁

Well, gdhal 👨‍🚀, I can’t very well respond to *you* since, as is oft the case, you didn’t actually say anything. You’re obviously boosting your post count to appear to be a player. Anyone else see the irony, as soon as I mention intellectual dishonesty guess who shows up? 😛

geoffkait"Well, gdhal, aka spaceman"

That is a wholly and completely innappropriate remark because gdhal has already candidly admitted to this group that his presumably youthful "experimentation" with mind-altering substances have left lasting brain damage so while it is fine to disagree with him or challenge his notions or "offers" it is not really a good thing to make fun of what is actually a disability even if it is self-inflicted.

clearthink
geoffkait"The answer is simple. It’s called intellectual dishonesty. It’s just a little game they play."

I suspect that there is truth to this to some point but it is apparent also that many of these people are actually just consumed with faith, fervor and belief it is there defense mechanism against fear and the unknown and we must be tolerant and accept they’re faith for they are free to embrace the gospel of they’re choosing as are we should we choose to embrace a faith at all of course if we choose to not embrace a faith that must also be tolerated but tolerance is something that audio fundamentalists are often short of as is evidenced here on a regular basis.

>>>>It’s no such thing. It’s just a friendly game of whack a mole. That’s all. No real belief, no real faith, no real anything. Score: Naysayers 100, Believers 3.

Cheers

Cheers 🥂

Jitter, are you experiencing acid reflux again? Relax, I’m joking.

Besides, I thought everyone talked down to gdhal. 🤡

Geoff, not you, mister clear. But your position as "humble scribe" is in jeopardy.

Yes my phriend jetter. I understand. I’m very much aware of those on the forum who listen to the heart-of-gold band 💛 and those who do not.

Had you not replied, I remained grateful geoffkait was to have his way and get the last word - gdhal 😉

I think those obsessed with “designer” fuses; even though those fuses may not have generally accepted fuse rating certification-or any recognized approval from any electrical standards authority; really deserve their own web forum. Perhaps “Fuses Unlimited” ?  That would significantly lighten traffic on Audiogon :)

Interesting comment. But don’t you think it’s the Naysayers who are the ones obsessed with fuses. I’m mean, come on, people! We need a staff psychologist just to handle the refuseniks. The Jive Five could be on the cover of Psychology Today. Al, Ralph, George and Wolfman.Costco and gdhal are not yet professional. Moops hasn’t decided what he wants to be yet.

Holy Moly
And I thought the SR Blue fuse thread was seriously deranged......

@amg56I I really don't see why someone who notices a difference a fuse makes is doing obviously silly things. Some people hear a difference and some people don't, I don't see why you should castigate someone for it.
Maybe some people don't want to or havn't even tried so please don't rip into people for their beliefs and anyway if it makes us happy then it's our money we are spending.

amg56
The answer is easy.

Those that like to waste their money on expensive un-industrial/ un-scientifically proven trinkets like fuses and goo are welcome to waste their money. But DON’T pollute the Audiophile forums trying to sell the stuff to others until the items can and are proven REPEATEDLY by scientific testing to do what is professed they do.

Those who don’t believe in them, ignore the subject and save your money. Let the believers run around, drink red cordial and say obviously silly things they cannot prove.

>>>>I’m afraid you’re following the wrong sheep. NASA was designing advanced fuses for space missions 20 years ago. Didn’t you get the memo. That was just before fancy Audiophile Fuses began to hit the market around 15 years ago.  Coincidence? You decide.

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amg56

Those that like to waste their money on expensive un-industrial/ un-scientifically proven trinkets like fuses and goo are welcome to waste their money. But DON'T pollute the Audiophile forums trying to sell the stuff to others until the items can and are proven REPEATEDLY by scientific testing to do what is professed they do

If you seek proof, feel free to conduct your own tests and share the results here. Please remember to tell us exactly how you conducted the tests, so that we can determine if they're valid. In the interim, everyone is free to post their opinions here without your approval or complying with your demands. No one here owes you anything.

Must be an Aussie thing......

uberwaltz -
Holy Moly
And I thought the SR Blue fuse thread was seriously deranged......

If you know GK is a thread "contributor", you can avoid having to read it to draw your quoted conclusion. 😁

Better not tell the skeptics that someday their components will have aftermarket fuses inside.  ;) 

^Hi douglas. And if it is true that someday components will have aftermarket fuses inside, may I ask your opinion as to how far into the future you estimate that would happen and, how that might effect the MSRP pricing (with respect to its current non-aftermarket fuse)? Thank you.

gdhal, I think within 4-5 years it could become commonplace for upper end manufacturers. Some will avoid it, and that is to be expected. Among the early adopters of new technology as manufacturers I think several will incorporate it within a couple years. I know more about this, but I am not discussing it publicly at this time.  

I recently received two components with aftermarket fuses pre installed.

There are some now who offer them or just put them in as standard. A while back there were some posts naming them. 

Thank you,
@douglas_schroeder

Whoa! Hey! Whatever happened to freedom of choice? If I bought a component with a pre-installed fancy fuse in it I would almost certainly replace it. At a minimum I’d reverse it to check for directionality, not that I don’t trust manufacturers. Cough, cough.  Audiophiles don’t necessarily want the manufacturer making the decision for Fuses OR Power Cords, but thanks anyway.

Not even sure how worthwhile it is to add my latest experience here, likely to just get shot down in flames!
But here goes, and yes this is copy and paste from SR Blue thread as I lazy.....

Well here goes
Back home today from a week working in Orange County and both my new OPPO UDP205 and SR Blue fuse were waiting for me.
Inserted said Blue into Goldnote PH-10 phono stage and left it on just to warm through a bit.

Played vinyl I am very familiar with and......

IMHO there is an increased feel of depth to the music overall, female vocals and acoustic guitars have more definition, bass just feels tighter, not deeper or louder but, well just more. Instruments seem easier to pick out of the mix, more defined overall.
Really hard to describe adequately but a definite improvement all round, and this is brand new out of the box, 1 hour play time.

I would prefer if manufacturers used circuit breakers instead of fuses.  My 2 phono stages and 2 of 3 pre-amps are unfused.  Only my CD players and amps are fused.  I've heard my amps with SR blue fuses and the same amps with circuit breakers instead and they sounded very similar, couldn't choose what the differences were other maybe than dynamics were better with circuit breaker amps.

FUSE Fanatics Rejoice! Good news- and REAL :)
”LITTELFUSE Hosts  Speed2Design Tech Talks at NASA”.  Just Google it. 
So - is it possible the little fuse company,that operates in a manner such that they can so closely associate with NASA, can produce fuses suitable for your treasured, but earthbound stereo? “ Charlatans” were not invited. 

Uh, NASA was developing advanced fuses for space missions 🛰 when you were still wearing bell bottoms. Besides, didn’t you get the memo? Bussman is the latest “official fuse company” to jump on the audiophile bandwagon with their $400 offering. 

Speaking of NASA, she’s a real go getter. Goddard. My old stomping grounds. Sigh.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/nasa-goddard-announces-innovator-of-the-year

geoffkait - ...My old stomping grounds. Sigh.

You know what can happen when you stomp around Geoff. 
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^^^^ha,hah,ha,hah

Mods, do your duty. Make it look like an accident. 

@geoffkait By all means Reveal the Details of this new $400 fuse - or I must assume you misunderstood 400 Amp. It’s ok,not a crime :-“/“). Just a Littel boo boo .....

No problem, ptss, it’s ok to pretend to be obtuse with me. You are pretending, aren’t you? I assume ptss is abbrev. for post traumatic stress syndrome, no? Cute!

@geoffkait   Is it obtuse to ask the specifics of the product you alluded to? The rest I’d yust yoking... good on the ptss :)

Let your fingers do the walking. Google is your friend. 

Designer Fuses for US Military. Silver wire,silver plated contacts. Huge variety sizes. By Littelfuse. Anyone try?

Let’s hope the military isn’t paying for fancy fuses what they paid for toilet seats on Air Force One. Who has better fuses, the military or NASA or audiophiles? Do guys tanks listen to high end systems whilst driving around on maneuvers? Does Air Force One have a high end sound system?

@geoffkait Let’s hope the military isn’t paying for fancy fuses what they paid for toilet seats on Air Force One.

If anyone has ever worked on either side of the military procurement process, they know how much they (we) overpay for everything.

As I mentioned, I used to produce electronic raw material formulations.  My boss once explained to me how to price a new material I developed.  The same material would become multiple products, all aimed at different markets.  China price was 100x less. Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia cost 10x less.  North America industry carried the baseline pricing.  Europe, Israel, and Australia cost 10x more.  US government, including FBI cost 100x more.  US military was 1000x higher.  This happened in the days following the news about the hammers, toilet seats, etc., and my boss was adamant and utterly unapologetic.  I'm a bit surprised I didn't go over the line, and earn a free ride to jail that day

Definitely disappointing when (some) gents can’t remain focused on the positive aspects of a topic :(   

The floor is all yours, hotshot. Make it something entertaining. Regale us with your focus.

Very profound indeed....