We Need A Separate Forum for Fuses


LOL, I'll bet I gotcha on that Title! ;)  BTW, I put this thread under "Tech Talk" category as it involves the system physically, not tangentially. 

More seriously, two question survey:

1. Do you think designer fuses are A) a Gift to audiophiles, or B) Snake Oil 

2. Have you ever tried them?  Yes or No

In the tradition of such questions on Agon, I'll weigh in as we go along... 
Feel free to discuss and rant all you wish, but I would like to see clear answers to the questions. :) 
douglas_schroeder

Showing 13 responses by clearthink

shadorne"I claim aim that a well designed component will be unaffected audibly by a change of fuse from one suitable fuse to another suitable fuse. This is common sense."

Invoking such a warm and fuzzy notion as "common sense" is not persuasive in a matter of scientific discussion so I propose that you conduct a scientific double blinded test to confirm your theory. Don't forget to tell us all about the test and to solicit participants here and we'll see how this pans out good luck to you!

shadorne
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Common sense says that if fuses make a big difference to electronic circuits then why isnt there a market for $50 or $100 fuses for toasters and all other electrical devices"
Let's use science to settle this why don't you perform a double blinded test let's settle this for once and for all invite members here to particpate and help you design the test toasters have nothing to do with this silly.
chrshanl37Oh “clearthink” lol

Oh yes its so funny when Americans with guns and bombs threaten others you are the world's tough guys for real then explain why the rest of the world laughs at you're country! What a mess but you guys love it guns guns guns go go go USA!

gdhalGiven the simplicity and what should be relative ease of audibly hearing a difference when ordinary speaker wire is reversed given the test I've proposed (Amy > Bob > Amy > Bob), ***I'll allow YOU to manipulate it***. And you still won't hear a difference. Would you like to try?

Where would this be done who would be witness to it what other requirements upon which you would demand previous to scheduling such a test and what other preconditions to you propose? You keep saying you want us to conduct this test even though you don't conduct it yourself in the passed and you have already drawn your conclusion on the test that hasn't yet happened???
gdhal you are not making any sense what so ever why do you keep proposing this test if you also say that the forum does not allow it? You say it has happened hasn't happened well which is it?

gdhal
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No proposals. Just opportunities."
Well are you going to tell us about these special "opportunities" or do you just keep playing guessing games I am beginning to think there is nothing serious about you at all so why not provide some specific, concrete, factual information right here?  
gdhal "I suspect - but I could be wrong, hence just a suspicion - that you are very much aware of the manner in which I have asked that my opportunity be discussed"

Oh I guess you want my private information again I thought you'd stopped that silly little effort of yours but you're still playing games trying to steal private information!

What is especially notable about this thread and this particular issue is the extraordinary lengths some will go to to avoid conducting a listening test themselves that has any basis what so ever is scientific validity and yet they keep insisting that others try the tests and they even recommend testing that is not scientific in the least! One must wonder what motivation they have other than trying be the the saviors that some claim to be when in fact there is no one here who seeks to be saved.
geoffkait"The answer is simple. It’s called intellectual dishonesty. It’s just a little game they play."
I suspect that there is truth to this to some point but it is apparent also that many of these people are actually just consumed with faith, fervor and belief it is there defense mechanism against fear and the unknown and we must be tolerant and accept they're faith for they are free to embrace the gospel of they're choosing as are we should we choose to embrace a faith at all of course if we choose to not embrace a faith that must also be tolerated but tolerance is something that audio fundamentalists are often short of as is evidenced here on a regular basis.

geoffkait"Well, gdhal, aka spaceman"

That is a wholly and completely innappropriate remark because gdhal has already candidly admitted to this group that his presumably youthful "experimentation" with mind-altering substances have left lasting brain damage so while it is fine to disagree with him or challenge his notions or "offers" it is not really a good thing to make fun of what is actually a disability even if it is self-inflicted.
I think some of the posters here are very sad people some have admitted hear that they've used psychedelic drugs and that it has effected they're brains and others here still try to imagine thinking about audio while in such a state I am not going to mention any names because it would be wrong to embarass them here any more than they have already done so to themselves. There are also two very vocal people naysayers here who keep trying to bring lawyers and legal action into the debate and that is just absurd this is an audiophile forum and not a court of law or even scientific inquiry I cannot laugh at these people who then on top of all of there other problems are obviously scientifically illiterate as has been repeatedly demonstrated here on multiple occasions.
georgehifi"There are no sides here, just opinions, the only sides are the ones you are making up in your head.Of course there is, the BS "snake oil" side of fuses praying on the technically gullible here and the real Electronic Engineering side of fuses."

No that doesn't mean there are two sides here just because there is you and one or two other naysaysers who repeatedly post the same information over and over and with the same tired arguments and incessant demands that other people perform blind testing does not exactly make you a "side" when you are so extremely outnumbered by those who have actual hands on real world experience with the exact products under discussion hear and have actually been willing to share their findings experiences and results so you would need to have some actual information to share if you want to actually be a side as things stand at the present moment you have no side just a lot of complaining.

georgehifi
"And your on the hit list also sunshine.Cheers George"

You Americans with you’re guns and swagger and threats to others and you wonder why the rest of the world laughs at you! If I lived in the U.S. I would never post on this group why would I when one of your members threatens a "hit" over an audio post! You probably let nutjobs like this have a whole garage full of guns and bombs no wonder your USA is blowing itself up! But hey he’s a savior he won’t let people buy fancy fuses so he’s justified with this garbage. At least gdhal has a drug problem to blame for his crap this guy is just crazy so it’s ok why don’t you let him buy some more guns its his right after all! Freedom freedom freedom go go go USA!