LOL, I'll bet I gotcha on that Title! ;) BTW, I put this thread under "Tech Talk" category as it involves the system physically, not tangentially.
More seriously, two question survey:
1. Do you think designer fuses are A) a Gift to audiophiles, or B) Snake Oil
2. Have you ever tried them? Yes or No
In the tradition of such questions on Agon, I'll weigh in as we go along... Feel free to discuss and rant all you wish, but I would like to see clear answers to the questions. :)
medwardo I’ve used the Black SR fuses in most of my electronics for a year or two.
They aren’t either a gift or snake oil, but somewhere in between.
Some sound improvement, but with 6 fuses in my amp, it’s almost a grand to outfit it...not sure that the improvement was worth a grand in retrospect.
My amp blew a fuse...which one(s)?...I don’t know...I can’t see the filament in the SR fuses.
Wasn’t willing to swap one fuse in and out to troubleshoot as I have to disconnect cables, pull the amp from the rack, take the bottom & top of my amp off to do that...and doing that 6 times or more, right...
>>>>I bet establishing the proper orientation of all six fuses was a bear. 🐻
@nonoise No, no, no, son. When you go out into the world and make stupid statements with no basis in reality, it's not up to the world to prove a negative. It's up to the claimant to prove the positive. That's how it works in science and the law. Your inverted thinking and shirking of your responsibility is repugnant. If your claim is you're experiencing a purely psychological phenomenon, say so and stick to it. If there's some science behind it, it's on you to prove it, and until you do, the doubters are on solid ground questioning you, your observations, and your honesty.
You're wrapped way too tightly costco.
Empirically experienced events are a part of science.
I'm not asking anyone to prove anything as I'm content to know what I hear. It's only those who carp on about it that need to try it for themselves, like you. Otherwise, how will you truly know? Falling back on a manual just won't cut it. Nor does hiding behind an engineer's skirt since we've all discovered that there are engineers who've heard improvements with fuses but can't explain it.
"Science and Law". Are you some kind of magistrate? A leading authority? Be still my beating heart.
To claim it's a purely psychological phenomenon doesn't help your position. You're just throwing words around, unless you're saying you can feel or sense it from afar. You weren't here when I installed the fuses, where you? Do you do remote viewing?
As for the doubters, the ground is getting shakier and shakier the longer this thread continues. It's going to be fun to see them go to earth once they hear it for themselves. Or should I say, if they ever try it. Most won't because this is their oxygen.
Kosst Sorry but I do not believe that anybody who buys and uses an aftermarket fuse and enjoys what they hear has ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to prove to you or anybody else here!
The majority of these fuse threads are based on users listening experience not practical science 101, if you demand science just go and email the manufacturers and harass them not the users on these threads. In short we don't owe you a bean!
Lota posts getting removed. Another fuse "snake oil" thread making people question the validity of what’s being said, causing conflict between obvious scientific theory and subjective hearsay.
Firstly, to say someone needs to calm down (which is what "wrapped too tightly" implies) is not name calling. You’re jumping at the first opportunity to strike back. Calm down.
Secondly, you’ve implied that we who hear differences in fuses are delusional, that we hear things, that we’re dishonest with ourselves, that our intent is to mislead, etc.
Look in the mirror and think twice about casting that stone.
Oh, and I was informed that I had a post removed, probably because it was a bit too snarky. To be honest, I can’t locate it. It isn’t all one sided so as to develop a persecution complex.
Kosst This is not a court and we are not theorizing any legal matters. These are people's OPINIONS, nothing more. I truly could not care less whether anybody believes me. I truly could not care less if others draw the conclusion that I am full of it. I am reporting what I believe I hear and what I hear makes me happy and its my money. That's really all there is to it.
This thread, let alone this site, is nowhere near a court of law. To conflate the two is silly, on it's face. It's apples and lobsters, and about as relevant that the two are.
You still present yourself as unassailable, not to be countered or contested, as if you hold all the cards. I sincerely hope you take better care in civil court and not think that how and what you say here can carry the day there.
Serious question... is there any way this thread could be more entertaining? Dancing bears, NASCAR or mud wrestling would have nothing on the enjoyment of reading the pseudo-serious posturing going on here
This is the only reason to change a fuse and not to expect some magical increase in sound quality.
This is all potential fusers need to know, forget the "snake oil’ being preached.
As this is what happens to any fuse (including the "snake oil" ones) that have seen too many turn on cycles, it’s called fuse ageing with "switch on surges", as there’s far more current goes through it at the moment of switch on than any other time, as it has to charge up empty power supply caps ect. That’s why fuses and light globes can blow (if nothings wrong) at time of turn on surge, here are some pics of fuse ageing.
Somebodies needle is stuck in the groove. Not sure how many times one can post the same thing before everybody just glazes over and falls to the ground with a dull thud. Is that the ploy, capitulation by exhaustion?
The way things are done in a civilized conversation don't necessitate having to prove what is empirically perceived. I see, hear, touch, taste and smell things all day long and need no one to tell me what is real or imagined. Isn't that was phenomenology is about?
"an approach that concentrates on the study of consciousness and the objects of direct experience."
That sounds a lot like what we do when we hear the differences that a fuse can make.
As for a "body of evidence", how about the many tens of thousands who've tried it, hear it, and enjoy it? How do you discount that? Do the marketing skills you have tell you they are all deceived?
Your example of a divine entity being believed in for two, opposing reasons, one where it represents those who believe in fuses for no good reason, and to be discounted, and the other, where the body of evidence amounts to a domino theory which you say represents your side and is to be believed in is a head scratcher.
One takes a leap of faith, the other can be directly observed, over and over, by anyone who cares to try.
HEY!!! were on the same side in this thread. Don’t!!! call me dishonest, your the one who posted a statement what looked like someone said it because YOU put in "colon quotes" not me mate, next time don’t do it !!! Because it looks like you said he said it!!!!!! Even if you said in essence!
04-28-2018 12:42pm All you had to say was you don't know what phenomenology is. You didn't need to prove it.
I don't give a **** what you think or what I know, don't make out like someones saying something, when they're not. Even if your joking, because that's being dishonest.
A "body of evidence" is in no way developed by amplifying the number of people suffering the delusion
What a ridiculous thing to say: thousands of people suffering some form of mass delusion. What's next? False flag scenarios? Pizzagate morphing into Audiogate?
And what exactly is "empirical perception"? That's a concept so fundamentally flawed in premise it should be obvious.
A concept so fundamentally flawed that we do it all the time in our waking lives.
Because you think you perceived something it must be manifest in outside world?
Duh...yes. Or is it the shadow cast on the wall of the cave by the fire?
Where do I even begin with how wrong that assumption is?
Please don't. You're giving me a headache. Go back and forth with George. He's more your style.
And, here, we, go. kosst thinks he's Merleau-Ponty, in the flesh, to dole it out with a pleb. You've read up on phenomenology, empiricism, gestalt and association, levels of perception and the like, and that is how you argue the efficacy of fuses?
You've a troubled mind dear kosst and when getting no where in an argument on fuses, you resort to this? Spare me your brilliance and expertise in a field apart from audio. Are you the kind of person when someone says "it's the truth", respond with something lame like, what is truth, really?
kosst - I was an attorney (Southwestern 79') and for 32 years, a commercial real estate appraiser. I had to extract from the collected data an opinion of value or utility of the property (highest and best use). I consider my former profession to be a blend of science and art (as does the national Foundation for Real Estate Appraisal). One can be a great collector of data and have an inability to extract the results without both education and a artful skill. I consider audio reproduction the same way.
Especially, Synergistic Research products. My SR audio provider and the two engineers at SR who I converse with unequivocally state that some of their products require an "artful" posititioning to achieve a beneficial audio effect. These include their room treatments in particular.
As to SR duplexes and fuses, installed correctly, they are quite obvious in their audio reproduction benefit. As one schooled in empirical thought, I find that SR duplexes and fuses are obviously superior to standard (low cost and typical) duplexes and fuses used for any and all electrical functioning purposes they are manufactured for. I also greatly benefit from the SR HFT products allowing me relieve my walls of all sorts of absorption and diffusion paneling.
The most obvious reason why the SR fuse is superior (or a circuit breaker) to a standard cheap fuse is that they conduct electricity better through a larger surface area (and possibly due to better/efficient contact materials). The circuit breaker in my friends amp certainly has a larger conductor than the standard 5 amp fuse. It sounds superior to the cheap fuse and sounds about the same as an SR blue fuse.
kosst_amojan @nonoise So, if I give you a good dose of LSD reality itself has now morphed into something else and the rest of humanity should be able to perceive that? The causal link between phenomenon in the universe and what you perceived them to be is very loose at best. There is no phenomenon in the universe know as blue. Blue is purely a construct of your perception based upon your biological reaction to electromagnetic radiation of a certain energy value. It’s highly debatable whether any two people experience that the same way. The color blind certainly don’t.
I don’t know what your jibber jabbering about now. But the scientific method involves observing a phenomenon. That’s why humans have five senses, including the sense of hearing. We were granted the keen sense of hearing as a defense for survival. Prehistoric man needed excellent hearing and vision to detect and observe predators close by. We can even integrate what we hear and see to obtain direction. If you have hearing problems you should consult a specialist. Obviously some folks are deaf and some are color blind. We obviously aren’t talking about them. One sense some humans were apparently not granted was the sense to come in out of the rain.
georgehifi kosst_amojan HEY!!! were on the same side in this thread. Don’t!!! call me dishonest, your the one who posted a statement what looked like someone said it because YOU put in "colon quotes" not me mate, next time don’t do it !!! Because it looks like you said he said it!!!!!! Even if you said in essence!
>>>>Uh, oh, looks like there’s trouble in Paradise. Is this just a case of he said she said? 😛
George That just shows where you are at and one of your biggest problems. SIDES. What on earth are you talking about? There are no sides here, just opinions, the only sides are the ones you are making up in your head.
fleschler - As to SR duplexes and fuses, installed correctly, they are quite obvious in their audio reproduction benefit.
Then you should have no problem demonstrating your ability to reliably hear a difference in a blind test. I believe I (paraphrasing) asked/offered not long ago, and you declined.
geoffkait - That’s why humans have five senses, including the sense of hearing.
Yes, but in the case of fuses and where audio is concerned, hearing is the only sense that should be relied upon. So if your not making your determination that SR fuses are better in a blind test, you're doing it wrong.
Innocent question. Why do many naysayers seem to enjoy being kicked in the head? Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that. In fact it’s a marriage made in heaven since I enjoy kicking them in the head. 😀
note to spaceman. Learn to spell or haven’t you gotten that far in school yet?
Interestingly, I found this....
Logical Fallacy, or Loaded Question;
A "loaded question", like a loaded gun, is a dangerous thing. A loaded question is a question with a false or questionable presupposition, and it is "loaded" with that presumption. The question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.
Unfortunately some people are as funny as a hole in the head though. But agreed it would be hard for even Monty Python to write some of this stuff!
Just can never get the parrot sketch out of my head. Of course it helps having grown up in England and being subjected to a constant diet of Monty Python from a tender age!
You're lucky. I had Soupy Sales in my youth. I later graduated to Monty Python when they first started showing here, stateside. No one else could fill the gap. My mother thought (knew) it would make me crazy. 🤪
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