Real musicians don't need "awards."


Some interesting news on Carol Kaye turning down the invite for the next R&R HOF awards.

Carol Kaye ’declining’ Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction

Good on Carol for keeping her integrity as a musician.

R&R HOF is a goofy production for "entertainers" especially the last few decades.

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The RHOF is own thing, but the title to this thread strongly implies that people who have been inducted are not real musicians.  Not true!  Do you think all of them also lack integrity?

I don’t have an opinion, but I am curious how the organization is run. Maybe you could explain who has control and how selections are made. For example I’m a Motorsports racing fan and I’ve become disillusioned with NASCAR as in my opinion its focus is marketing , growth and revenue and has bastardized the sport. Is that what you see with the RHOF ?  Regards , Mike B 

'Do you think all of them also lack integrity?"

Sigh...

Guess I had that coming. 

 

 

The people who Carol played bass for were 'entertainers'. Entertainment is not a negative thing. 

This is reminding me to again watch "The Wrecking Crew" documentary. Kaye had some interesting commentary.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is just as valid as the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

(Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.)

@buellrider97  NASCAR lost me when they forced restrictor plates in an effort to make everyone equal. 

The hall of fame is a cool place to visit but all HOFs have their own selection criteria and process which has limitations IMO.  Interesting that a couple of musicians that have been inducted refused to participate.  Mark Knofler of Dire Straits is another.  Some share their reasons why but he didn’t.  Reminds me of the Groucho Marx quote about not wanting to join a club that would have me as a member.  

 

I do know that she thinks of herself more as a Jazz musician. So did her sometimes drumming partner in the L.A. studios, Earl Palmer.

 

Marketing tool to promote sales. Just like most speciality magazines and on-line reviewers.  Shiny and new turns old therefore reinvigorate sales through award shows and hall of fames. 

I have been to the RnR HOF and it is ... something that should cost 5 dollars to enter instead of the approx. 30 USD per ticket. I did see some older doo wop and bluesman musicos show up for a visit and they all had tuxes and gowns on. they looked happy that anybody remembered them. good eneough fer me yep yep

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The fact that  neither Jethro Tull nor Ian Anderson himself are not in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame demonstrates the minimal significance of being inducted into it. He’s amongst the most talented musicians in any genre & both a brilliant, prolific writer ( new album just came out) & great performer!

"Need" seems unnecessarily strong, but certainly fame is something that many musicians desire.  Obviously, Carol is not among them.  I have total respect for her and her position. 

Personally, I'd be curious to see the spectacle.  Maybe ask them to let me sneak in unannounced and disguised, sit at some anonymous table of industry folk 30 rows deep, and dutifully applaud when they announced that I wasn't present...