Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters Ruins the Song ‘Money’!

Clearthinker has it right. Shadow Kingdom is an excellent live album. Any Dylan fan will love it.

I thought I was the only 24/7 Devo fan. Fwiw, Roger is coming to dinner Tuesday night and bringing corn casserole. We play spades and drink libations nobody else has heard of.

Roger is a tart!

What do you listen to, elevator music?

@stereo5 ,

People's Liquor Warehouse in Warwick. Play 'Comfortably Numb' all day!

@chrisoshea,  I have been in many liquor stores over the years and never, not even once have I heard any Pink Floyd playing.  Please direct me to that liquor store, I would like to hear for myself.  

Russia was provoked by NATO influence.

Nonsense.  That may be part of Putin's official excuse, but he's an imperialist who compares himself to Peter the Great.  His true aim is to re-claim what he views as "Russian lands" and re-draw the Russian (and by extension, European) maps to what they were 200 years ago - including his notion that Ukraine has no right to exist as a sovereign country.  He's stated as much. 

"NATO expansion" is his convenient dodge. 

@chrisoshea 

That's why I call them Pink Void.

I was waiting to hear the trashed remake.

Instead, I’m treated to snarky click bait by a whining baby boomer.

Please don’t waste our time with this nonsense.

Waters is a brilliant musical talent.  He is certainly flawed as a person but Amused To Death is a masterpiece.  

Definitely an enjoyable thread as so many points of view. I love Pink Floyd taking my 10-year-old son to see Britt Floyd tomorrow night now there’s a reputable cover band the original known dark side of the moon was engineered by Alan parsons. He did a fantastic job and I love Pink Floyd however Roger Waters is a narcissist, unfortunately, like the one person on here noticed, and although he has an entertainment value when I listen to his interviews, he’s definitely fanatical and doesn’t Bring much insight to the table I’ve known of a few older, white men that left his concert, not enjoying his soapbox rants & musically, David Gilmour is more my speed. Now in other news, I think everyone should take a minute to honor Randy Meisner’s contribution to the Eagles.

Bob Dylan has always butchered his songs, it’s his swan song. But I like his music, and I think Modern Times is awesome, butchering and all. Sounds good on my stareo… that’s how we say it here!

I don’t understand how such a bold proclamation of,
“(original author) ruins (own song by merely releasing a new version 50 years later)”,
could possibly be supported by appending a video of some unknown dude sitting on the floor, weirdly singing a completely unrelated song off-pitch, making lazily specious claims (‘bolstered’ by cheap, unsightly graphics), which ends with said unknown dude shown weirdly strumming acoustic guitar on a stool, outside, with acoustic guitar music he’s clearly not playing edited into the audio track.

Free the glutens! Tom Waits

@clearthinker I don't perceive what you do, namely that murder isn't much of a problem and negative comments about BLM are and that the two are in any way comparable, the way I see it.... well, this is where I should stop. Why argue about stuff completely off topic. We are very different and we won't change by reasoning here on this anonymous forum.

@grislybutter   I like most of Allen's work over the last 20 years or so.  It is much more varied than his first 30 years film making.  Since you haven't seen them, you will be pleased to learn that so far as I remember there were no under 21s appearing so any alternative action must have taken place off camera.

As for Mr Spector, after a few listenings I could do without his wall of sound that was far too samey and ruined George Harrison's masterpiece album and also a Leonard Cohen LP amongst a lot of others.  It is a strange world today's youth live in where murder isn't too much of a problem (think gang killings in the USA and Latin America and stabbings in the UK) but the merest negative comment against black lives, LBGT+++++++++ad naus and Me Too are the grave sins of the day.

Ho hum

@clearthinker I am a hypocrite. If Allen’s movies were so awesome, I would still watch them. Phil Spector was a murderer and I still listen to his songs during Christmas. The irony!

But to stay on subject, the reason I also don’t watch Allen’s stuff is that his pedophilia - to me - comes across in several of his movies. (And again, I wasn’t there, so who knows.) All we know is that the facts make me cringe about the Soon-Yi story, it is as creepy and predatory and despicable as it gets.

You see, if you had let it be, we wouldn’t have dragged it out, again.

@grislybutter 

Your post questions if the allegations are correct but you appear to believe they are.

So don't forget to purge your memory of every Woody Allen film you have watched in your entire life.  And Mr Spacey while you are about it.  And all the others.

Just to be sure.

@clearthinker 

I do leave him alone, since the stories broke about his (alleged?) pedophile tendencies, I have not watched anything from him.

@mgolpoor ,

You may want to re-read my post.

It clearly states the band members contributions to the song went well beyond simply playing their parts. There’s nothing irrelevant about it.

Also, no one said anything about not liking the remake simply because they don’t like Roger Waters as a person. Most of your post is counter pointing a point no one made.

@mgolpoor 

Re Bob Dylan butchering most of his songs onstage, turn to his recent album Shadow Kingdom which is a recording of a small venue live performance.  Comprised of nearly all 60s work and stylistically minimally re-worked, he sings like he hasn't done for 30 years.  See tracklist below.  Order at once, in vinyl or polycarbonate.  You will be amazed what the man can still do.

This of course calls into question whether other stage performances are butchering the songs.  If Dylan couldn't sing them any other way, that might be butchering.  But now we know he can, at the age of over 80.  So perhaps he doesn't see other performances as butchering his work.

Leave Woody Allen alone.

@uncledemp 

hahaha......I am eagrly awaiting the fried chicken weight loss podcast !

@thecarpathian ​​@stereo5 

This whole thread has gone all over the place!

Of course the whole point of being in a band is that you play your parts and instruments. If you are like Mike Oldfield you play everything yourself on Tubular Bells, in the case of Pink Floyd every band member played almost on every song, including "Money". So it's irrelevant to mention who played what on that song. The song is credited to Waters. 

More importantly the discussion started because of his re-recording of that track.

As I mentioned before I myself Do Not like the new version. But this has nothing to do with his character or if he is a nice person or not or his treatment of other band members or indeed his political and social views. You can agree or disagree with him but he has had all of those attributes way before re-recording Money! 

Would you like the new "Money" if he was a nice person and perfect band member?

Would you forget about all his characteristics and views if the new "Money" was even better than the original version?

Those of you who have seen Bob Dylan live know that he butchers almost all of his songs .....should we start a thread on what kind of person he is because of that?

@hifiguy42 

.......I agree .....we must separate the Art from the Artist!

Good night everyone (and I thought this was Hi Fi and sound quality forum hahahaha)

His net worth is 320 million says Google. If there’s a following for his societal musings, I’m coming out with a fried chicken weight loss podcast. 

I find Water’s "Money" interesting. Sound quality is good as far as I can tell.

Waters said a while back that the purpose of the remake would be to put the focus on the lyrics because he hadn’t noticed any change in behavior in people who have been listening to them. He can probably include himself in that group.

It would be ridiculous for Waters to try and make a Dark Side that out-Floyded Pink Floyd and stayed on the charts even longer. He would have to be brain damaged to try.

I hope the album"s other songs are as different and interesting as "Money." I expect to listen to them maybe a few times and see what Roger’s done with them. I don’t think it’s an album that is meant for frequent listening or parties.

He did an interview for Variety in which he talks about it:

Roger Waters Reveals ’Dark Side of the Moon’ Remake, Releases ’Money’ - Variety

I especially liked this line from the interview:

“I love the original recording, by the way, and I love what Nicky (Mason) did and what Rick (Wright) did and what Dave did on the original recording,”

I always like to see people try to end a spat. This alone won’t do it but it may be a start.

Indeed!

Hence my initial post...

@thecarpathian,

Thank you, you saved me the trouble of looking it up.  Waters was famous for claiming the whole song as his.  There are many instances in the various books on Pink Floyd.  I have read every single one.  Did you know the very short songs in the wall which only had a few words were purposely put in by Waters so he could claim more of the rights and $$$$$ for it?  He is not a nice person.  When Nick Mason and Richard Wright first met Waters, they said he was quite arrogant.   His feud with Richard Wright was because Wright wouldn't give him his last cigarette.  Waters carried on about that throughout his PF years and he always bullied Richard Wright.   Like I said before, he is a horrible person.

@mgolpoor ,

• Roger Waters is the only songwriter credited on "Money," but the lead vocal is by David Gilmour. Waters provided the basic music and lyrics, while the whole band (Waters, Gilmour, keyboard player Richard Wright and drummer Nick Mason) created the instrumental jam of the song. Gilmour was the one overseeing time changes and responsible for the acclaimed guitar solo.

@invalid

Yes, exactly, all I said was: "I think". They may be incredible to a lot of people, I believe it, they never just had me jumping, Totally subjective.

I just gave away 3 original LPs including dark side of the moon. ("away" - to a friend)

@stereo5

no one else is credited for track "Money" except Waters! Check your Vinyl or CD label. Google can help too!

@grislybutter 

They do have the longest charting album in history, so must be a lot of people like their music.

+1 @michaellent 

I didn’t think it was relevant or interesting to comment on Pink Floyd’s music. But I see it’s become a thread. I also think they are overrated, vastly...

@stereo5 ,

Well said!

@hilde45

People don’t like artists who make waves or make them feel uncomfortable about the moral choices of the society around them. Ironically, that’s what makes them interesting in the first place, but push it just a little bit and the punishment is swift. Not pointing a finger at anyone here but it happens all the time.

Quite right.

Artists like Baez, Lennon and Morrissey, to name just 3, have all received their fair share of flak for going against the official narrative.

Yet hundreds of others got off Scott free by towing the party line and paying it lip service.

If I remember correctly, the notorious John Lennon/Yoko Ono/ Plastic Ono Band LP Some Time in New York City got an almost across the board roasting at the time of release for some of its politically charged subject matter.

Someone, somewhere seemed to be highly offended back then.

The ironic thing is that now, in 2023, some 50 years later, hardly anything on it would raise an eyebrow.

Perhaps the issue here is whether we regard Waters as a performer or an artist?

I think we all know how Roger sees himself.

I, for one, can only respect him for that.

That’s hilarious! If it weren’t for singing, the tempo and the execution, it would be great!

bent

As a lifelong PF fan since 1965, Waters is a narcissist.  He single handily ruined one of the best groups to come out of the 60’s through early 80’s.   He talked Gilmour and Mason into firing Rick Wright during The Wall recordings because he didn’t think Rick was doing his fair share.  Rick was going through a nasty divorce at the time, but narcissist Roger didn’t care.  
 

Waters politics certainly don’t agree with mine and that is fine but I refuse to go to any more concerts by him.  He should not be spewing his political views during the shows and telling people if you don’t like his views, to F off at the bar.  These people paid upwards of $150.00 to see him, no one wants to see or care about his views.  Like I said, a life long PF fan, but not of Waters, he is a tool.   
 

To the person who said he wrote the song, he can do what he wants.  That is half true, he wrote the lyrics only, Gilmour and Wright wrote the music. 

I’ve seen Roger Waters last two concert productions.  I found the shows to be incredibly entertaining.  It must have cost a fortune to produce that show.  There are a number of musicians I like that have opinions I don’t agree with. I can usually ignore that if the music moves me.  This is the closest we will get to seeing Pink Floyd. I will say this, Roger’s pronouncements and imagery during the show could offend sensitive souls from across the spectrum. Among others, he went after Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. But it was one helluva show. 

If this kind of thing drags you down I recommend becoming more of a Moody Blues fan.   It's never too late.

Pink Floyd is like a gourmet meal, thoughtfully prepared, well balanced and properly presented.

Roger Waters is like being force fed an all you can eat buffet, coarsely prepared, unbalanced, ultimately unsatisfying.   

It's his song and he can do what he likes to it......

the same as its your ears and you can choose what you listen to with it.....

I personally don't like the new version so I will not listen to it again.

It's really as simple as that!

@thecarpathian ++++++

Water's remake is a peculiar mix of an old rocker's creative re-expression and his religious views. "The Devil pats the briefcase that holds the Faustian pact" The pact is with Waters- and he pays homage to Cohen who also professed his Faustian Pact.  

It's an age old story- make the deal, get big and rich and then get torn down. Why should anyone be surprised that Waters is in the destruction phase now?

The OP post link is simple clickbait for some @$$ hole talking about the song.

otherwise agree with dissent regarding Roger Waters

Another case where I have to separate the artist from the art.  I think a lot of his work is fantastic, but that doesn't mean I subscribe to his world view.  I still love Annie Hall, but I don't condone Woody's behavior over the last (checks calendar)...always.  If I narrowed my focus of things I find entertaining to just the artists who pass some kind of purity test I'd have a pretty small record collection.

@clearthinker I'll second that!