I’m curious about this product from Perfect Path Technologies and would like to hear from those that have experience with it. I’ve bought and used the Total Contact enhancer and like what it does for my system so I’m interested in hearing how this Omega E mat performs.
For the same reason as you? Current customer and potential new one on the card size. Plus active Aphile enjoying these threads much like you though not quite as active as you.
Update: The E-Matt has been on my Dac as stated in my comment here dated 07-29-2018 9:28 am. This morning I'm hearing an improvement in vocals, more shimmer, shine, and harmonizing almost like another dimension was added. I don't know why but I like what I'm hearing. I agree the breaker pannels would be a good place to try the E-Mat.
“The issue here is that this forum is open to all comments, be they gushingly positive, neutral or not positive. An advertiser using this forum as a sole distribution point does not want perceived negative comments out to be seen in the open. You either restrict the comments and free speech to only positive of a product or allow all sides comment.
(I am not insinuating anything of the product that this thread represents, just the ability to comment sensibly on whatever the subject is)”
amg56,
No one is banning or deleting, negative comments about the mat from you, or anyone else. You, or anyone else, have the freedom to post what you want (within forum rules) on this thread. The flip side is that others can excercise that same freedom and respond to your post. You seem to want to have your freedom to post, but restrict the freedom of others to respond.
I know it can be tough for impatient audiophiles like me, but if you leave the mat on your DAC for two weeks, I believe you will fully experience & understand what I, and others, have been talking about. I’m not saying it takes two weeks to hear ANY improvement (as you know), but it gets substantially better over that time (From fleschler’s comments, maybe even beyond?).
It's time we stop this bickering and get back to the subject of opinions and comments related to using this mat.
I normally don't take sides but I do understand most points of your reactions. First I would like to say Tim is a wonderful guy if you ever spoke to him. He's very passionate concerning his products as most of us would be also. He's helped me understand their uses and made recommendations that improved my system greatly He's just a phone call or email away and more than glad to help.
Looking from his perspective, there have been many negative comments from non users for both of his products since the beginning of these threads. Maybe he over reacted but we are only human.
Let's start anew and get back to consulting each other to better our hobby.
Correction on my installation dates of the Omega E Mats in my systems. The Matt paced at the circuit breaker sub panel and also the one on the Pass Lab INT -60 amp were installed July 10. The Mat placed on top of the Oppo 203 DVD player was installed July 18.
The quality of the Audio and the Video with the Oppo took a big step up on day 12.
Today I ordered additional mats to install on the dedicated headphone system and to place a Mat on the whole house Circuit breaker panel.
The improvement over time with both the Omega E Mats and the Total Contact is quite remarkable. Don't be impatient with these products. The TC won't sound its best until the eight-week mark. The Omega E Mats come into their own at around three weeks. Leave the E Mats under the components and let them do their thing. The improvement in SQ when it all comes together is astounding.
So you've heard additional improvement with the mat after three weeks in one place? That's good to know. If someone gets a mat to evaluate under the 30 day return policy, I would recommend picking a spot for it right away, and leaving it there undisturbed for at least two weeks. After two weeks in a well chosen place, it should be pretty clear whether it’s a keeper or not 😉
Tommylion, I'm the one who heard additional improvement after three weeks in one place. Frank has installed and removed up to 18+ E-mats and used more TC in his system which is why I wonder if anyone else has had my experience. I don't care to remove them to find out. My audio system sounds great and my TVs have richer color with more dimension (75" Sony 940D).
You know, after this expression is used more than 10,000 times it kind of loses its impact. But seriously, I’m curious why customers seem to have such a hard time expressing what the sonic changes are that these products bring to the table. Cat 🐱 got your tongues 👅?
It’s two weeks today since I put Omega Mats on top of my speakers. The richness, fullness and emotional impact of the music I’m listening to this morning is rather overwhelming. Isn’t that what this hobby is really all about?
When the response to a product is overwhelmingly positive, the simplest, most obvious, explanation is that it is an exceptionally good product. In my experience, that is the case with the Omega Mat. The only way to know for sure is to try it yourself, in your own system.
Geoff - I have already providing specific reasons why my audio system sounds great in previous posts. I was just reiterating that fact. It sounds about 50% as dynamic and lifelike as the best system I've ever heard which I've mentioned on these boards was the $1.4 million Von Schweikert Ultra 11/VAC/Kronos system. The E-Mats brought me a lot closer to that system in so many ways. I'm sorry to say that the TC did not do as much and certainly not as quickly. I haven't tried the E-Mats on my speakers or under my amps yet. Apparently, the more you use, the better the results.
“Dynamic and lifelike” are not really what I was hoping for. I’m not looking for reasons why your system sounds like it does but detailed descriptions of the sound, especially what you can attribute to the new products. Never mind.
At the eight week point of having the TC on all connections, it was like a veil was lifted as the noise floor lowered dramatically. I could "see" into the sound picture more clearly than before. It was way more three dimensional in nature.
With the installation of the Omega E Mats, there was a lot more there there than with just the TC alone. Now, I have a reach-out-and- touch-it type of thing going on. The sound space and the musicians within it are super clear and detailed without any negatives at all. I was listening to a "Poll Winners" CD last night with Shelly Mann on drums. I swear to you that drum set was in the room. The whack of the rim shots - amazing. The rattle of the snare drum - amazing. The brassiness of the cymbals - real.
These two products combined have brought a transparency to my system like I used to get with planer speakers. The system reminds me of when I had the Acoustat Fours ... except now I have all of that transparency plus better bass and better highs.
Speaking about bass ... that's one of the best parts. The system now gets an acoustic stand-up bass in the most natural, organic way. Again ... amazing.
I'm sorry to say that the TC did not do as much and certainly not as quickly. @fleschler
Yes, the Omega E mat alone is felt by many, including me, to exceed both the SR Blues and TC combined, but I would not want to be without any one of them, as they are all signal enhancers and are more than additive--I would say "multipliers" in combination.
We've been going over the usual enhancements of room acoustics, clean and plentiful power supplies, vibration damping, etc for years, and the above signal enhancers have come along in such a short time, they are something of a period of Enlightenment in audio.
Another E mat is on its way to me now---we are suddenly living in very exciting times. As for improved sound attributes, Geoff, I just keep repeating "increased clarity", but along with that come the usual descriptors of better depth and width, more engaging, sweeter, smoother, more alive--it's all true.
".... we are suddenly living in very exciting times."
Are we ever! If someone told me two years ago that I'd have an audio system that sounds like it does now, I wouldn't have believed it. The improvements over the past two years or so are all based on tweaks. I thought the SR fuses and the Herbie's tube dampeners were the best thing since sliced bread ... until Tim Mrock came up with TC and the Omega E Mats.
What Tim has provided us is not only the best thing since sliced bread, its the cat's meow. (a little humor for the old guys). And Tim says he has something in development that will bring everything together. I can't imagine things getting better, but Tim assures me that I haven't heard anything yet. :-)
@oregonpapa , are you talking about the room treatments? I am also under the impression that one e mat has improved my system as much and probably more then the tc. I still have yet to paint tc on my tube pins but I think as soon as I get three weeks on my e mat I will bite the bullet and paint those tubes. I was worried about frying my tube pre but I think I can trust that the tc will not do that now. What I am hearing after 11 days of my e mat being under my power conditioner is amazing. The soundstage and natural presentation of the music has never been better. Also as I have pointed out before the bass and upper frequency details of music are also at a high point. Very happy at this point and hoping that the mat improves after the 2 week period as some others have said.
oregonpapa ”....it was like a veil was lifted as the noise floor lowered dramatically. I could "see" into the sound picture more clearly than before. It was way more three dimensional in nature.
With the installation of the Omega E Mats, there was a lot more there there than with just the TC alone. Now, I have a reach-out-and- touch-it type of thing going on. The sound space and the musicians within it are super clear and detailed without any negatives at all. I was listening to a "Poll Winners" CD last night with Shelly Mann on drums. I swear to you that drum set was in the room. The whack of the rim shots - amazing. The rattle of the snare drum - amazing. The brassiness of the cymbals - real.”
>>>>>Corny 🌽 as Kansas in August. Normal as blueberry pie.
Frank was fortunate to hear in person the group know as the Lighthouse All-Stars at the Hermosa Beach club in the 1950s. His system reproduces the excitement of hearing those musicians in his living room.
Just dropped in to see what condition my condition is in.
The E Mat is an easily portable and near malleable power conditioner that will make I think any audio system sound more enjoyable. The fact that it can even make a power conditioner sound better makes me want to say who needs a power conditioner.. except perhaps as a connecting block for all the a/c cords. Maybe better off with a quality empty box milled and drilled for your favorite duplex and then mechanically direct coupled to the Mother of all grounds. When the credit card E Mat shows its face maybe stacked multiples ...could be placed inside to condition what condition your condition is in..Tom
You are correct. The six E-Mats make a bigger improvement in the sound than adding my Bryston BIT-20 isolation transformer. which was a subtle improvement after I replaced the stock A/C cord (slowed and smeared the sound). I do not plug my big tube amps into it and it can't handle the power draw and ruins the amp sound.
You seem to have so many challenges with your setup - slowing and smearing of sound etc. At what point do you call it a day and start replacing the main components that make up your system? After all, six E-Mats, contact paste, Bryston Isolation transformers and fuses etc. is running quickly into many thousands of dollars?
At what point do you say something like,”I am frustrated that even with countless thousands spent on band-aids, the basic system still needs improvement. Something just isn’t right with my main components, as no high end high fidelity components should be so incredibly finicky. Fidelity means accuracy or faithfulness to the recording and I just can’t get there without a ridiculous number of never-ending band-aids. Worse, my system is so tricky that it has taken no less than 6 E-Mats to achieve the improvement I currently enjoy and I probably still have not done enough!”
We are all happy for you that, as you keep telling us ad nauseam, you have found equipment that was designed and built to account for every conceivable factor that could negatively impact sound quality, and therefore cannot possibly benefit from any tweaks.
The rest of us have had trouble finding these mythical components, and surely couldn’t afford them, even if we did. Please give it a rest.
I have been told that you have over 20 of the Omega mats. That’s $12,000 in Omega Mats! Do you have a financial arrangement with Tim since you have so many? Also, I notice that you are using Audio Research equipment, with all those tubes perhaps they are generating RF/EMI and that’s why you have so many?
The one mat that I have is good, I can't imagine how much better 20 of them would be.
shadorne You forgot the equipment racks, Stillpoints, Hallographs and Synergistic Research HFTs & duplexes. What about my cabling? All nonsense because I have bad equipment. Ha Ha Ha The only cause of slowing/smearing mentioned was the cheap ass 20 amp A/C cable which Bryston claimed was good until I replaced it with a GroverHuffman custom A/C cable.
I can afford to tweak my main audio room. My friends with systems approaching $1 million tweak as well including Schnezinger giga protectors and
Innovator 2 Ultra Extreme junction boxes. I guess they have bad equipment as well. One built his audio room for over $500,000. I guess he threw out his money.
Very similar equipment and cabling in the living room with totally different (superior) acoustic properties have only stillpoint, fuse and duplex tweaks and it sounds excellent.
Ozzy - In my system, I noticed the biggest effect of doubling E-Mats was under my pre-amp. There was a lesser effect (slight but noticeable) doubling them on the power panels, isolation transformer and CD player. In Frank's system, there was a greater difference doubling or tripling E-Mats. Why, I don't know.
"I have been told that you have over 20 of the Omega mats. That’s $12,000 in Omega Mats!
Do you have a financial arrangement with Tim since you have so many?
Also, I notice that you are using Audio Research equipment, with all those tubes perhaps they are generating RF/EMI and that’s why you have so many?
The one mat that I have is good, I can't imagine how much better 20 of them would be.'
1. I think I was up to 30 mats at one time. 2. Nope. I don't have a "financial arrangement" with Tim. 3. Have you heard the ARC Reference components, like the ARC REF-75se? 4. One mat is good ... but not enough to see what they can really do. 5. I'm now back down to six mats. Two are in the circuit breaker and the other four are under four components. Where did the other 24 mats go? They went to trusted friends, six each, to try before they buy. Simple, no? 6. Six mats are much better than one mat. 30 mats are better than six mats. :-)
My suggestion to you Ozzy ... when using these products, both the TC and the Omega Mats, leave them in place while they do their thing. You stated that you received enough TC from Tim to do a couple of wires. How long did you leave the TC on the wires before you wiped it off? And why only a couple of wires when Tim sent you enough to do your entire system? How long did you keep the E Mat in place before you started moving it around?
Please understand that I'm not trying to diss you here. I'm trying to get you to get the most out of the products, as most of us who have reported positive results have.
shadorne - What magnificent, fantastic sounding system do you have? It must be great not to have to tweak your fine equipment or room to achieve the best sounding room in the world. Let us know or shut up.
How does @shadorne not have a valid point to make? @oregonpapa says he was up to 30 E-Mats in his system at one time! Hey, I believe in cable differences, burn-in, footers, acoustical treatment of listening rooms etc. I have not used either TC or the E-Mat but I am not prepared to make a statement that they don't work to improve a system. I've been pleasantly surprised on numerous occasions with various tweaks that have rendered a benefit far exceeding my expectations.
But... 30 mats? Come on. If you were trying to see how far the positive benefits could go I get that! I also commend @oregonpapa for doling multiple mats to his audio friends. That's a cool thing to do!
By beating up on @shadorne for his skepticism about your reliance on these tweaks is a bit much and unfortunately, for me, puts a sour taste in my mouth regarding trying Mr. Mrock's products.
From reading what @shadorne has said, it seems to me he is more of an audio fundamentalist in the sense that getting the fundamentals (equipment) right is the avenue leading to a fine system. A valid point of view, no?
shadorne is a broken record (or skipping CD for younger folks). Anytime there’s a thread about any kind of tweak, he will show up, trash peoples equipment, and say everyone should just get gear like his, that is so well built and designed it doesn’t need “bandaids”, and will certainly not benefit from any tweak. He never actually tells us what he has, though.
Guys his system(s) are there for you to see under his virtual systems page. He has some nice stuff and I have always liked the idea of using ATC powered speakers with a great source and preamp. I don’t doubt his rig sounds great. Would it benefit from TC and the mat? I think so. He has however taken a very smart approach to great sound in his set up.
He does offer out an interesting proposition regardless of how old the claim gets. I think both he and the land of tweaks like the E-mat can live together for the ultimate rig. I would really enjoy his take on the E-mat and TC after actually using them in his system. Not sure this would ever happen? I would love to hear his rig!
Okay, so he has a good system, and he doesn’t think it needs any tweaks. Why does he feel the need to go around all the time trashing other people’s systems and saying that on tweak threads, then? Is he trying to convince himself of something?
shadorne’s take on this issue is ridiculous. I don’t care how good a specific piece of equipment is, or how great the entire system is ... significant improvements can be made with the proper tweaks. In looking at shadorne's system, I can readily see a number of changes that would improve his sound significantly ... without adding any tweaks at all. Then add the good tweaks and he'd finally be a believer. .
I believe we should hold component manufacturers to a minimum standard that is certainly higher than what is being accepted. I believe that it is NOT right that excessive amounts of tweaks should be necessary. If it is necessary then I really think one should question the original quality of the components. How can one say a component is excellent and high-fidelity if it cannot reliably and consistently produce audio accurately and with fidelity?
I am questioning the fundamental philosophy around building a system. I am not trashing. Just questioning the choices being made.
Should we really accept that an infinite number of tweaks are necessary for equipment to work well? Or should we demand a higher standard?
"I believe we should hold component manufacturers to a minimum standard that is certainly higher than what is being accepted."
How much more are you willing to pay for that "higher minimum standard?"
"If it is necessary then I really think one should question the original quality of the components."
Should equipment manufacturers be responsible for the abnormalities in your room? Abnormalities that can be cured with certain tweaks?
" I am questioning the fundamental philosophy around building a system. I am not trashing. Just questioning the choices being made. "
As I said above, I could easily improve the sound of your costly system with a few simple suggestions without using any tweaks. Add the tweaks, and your jaw would hit the ground. This, with YOUR existing system, not my system.
"Should we really accept that an infinite number of tweaks are necessary for equipment to work well? Or should we demand a higher standard?"
That’s two questions. First, yes, we should accept that tweaks are necessary based upon positive reviews that have come before. Manufacturers can’t afford to apply the tweaks mentioned in these threads. For one thing, they don’t even know about many of these tweaks. Even if they did, the price of including them would be about four times what they cost the manufacturer and what they would cost you if you bought them on your own. Everything is marked up along the production and sales line. For example, if it cost a manufacture $2,500 to make a line stage, its sold to the dealer for $5,000. The dealer then retails the unit for $10,000. That’s reality.
Second, yes we should demand a higher standard, and that’s what we do every time we plunk our money down for a component. Manufacturers build within a price point. Don’t want to sound redundant here, but how much more are you willing to pay for that "higher standard?" Most audio manufacturers have "flag ship" components for sale. Buy the "flag ship" models shadorne ... and you still haven’t dealt with room problems, vibration problems or any of the other myriad of problems created throughout this hobby that can be cured by tweaking.
My suggestion is, if you haven’t heard the results of tweaks for yourself shadorne, then do so. Until you do, you’re just flying blind on these pages and talking out of your ....
I applied the TC to the 3 dedicated circuit breakers to my stereo system, and I have not removed it. I know Tim says he gave me enough for a whole system but its just not there. I did clean the brush after applying it perhaps that was a mistake. However, there is very little (if any) left.
The Omega mat was in place for 2 weeks before I removed it. It has now been in place again for a week.
I noticed that you have Legacy Focus Signature version speakers. I at one time owned the Legacy Focus. For the amount of money you had invested in the 30 mats you could have easily purchased the Legacy Aries speakers. Now that would have been a sure upgrade for you. I think that’s where shadorne and others including myself for that matter are coming from. Improvement of the core components over spending thousands of dollars on a tweak is a better cost option.
P.S. I am looking at the Audio Research Ref 6 preamp.
Did you try to get other tweaks off from your system and try again the Mat ? It seems some tweks are not Emat compatible when you cleaned the TC brush, did you use only water ?
Thank You for being the " Calm in the Eye of the Storm " I agree, that improving core components is the best path to follow. Recently, modded my Technics SL1200G with a Triplanar Classic SE tonearm. Nothing subtle about this "tweak" No need to wait 2 weeks or 8 weeks to hear the improvement. No doubt about how or where to apply. No confusion at all. Put a record on and Enjoy.
@ozzy Oregonpapa did not purchase 30 E-mats. He distributed the mats to other audiophiles but until he did, he tried them. I heard his system with 6 and 12 E-Mats. 6 are plenty to accomplish a radically good improvement in a system (at least my system and those previously noted).
He owns the Legacy Signature IIIs. I own both the Focus and Signature IIIs. I don't like the Aries because of its limited seating (opposite of Whispers which have a very wide sweet spot).
I don’t have the Legacy Focus speakers. I have the Legacy Signature III’s. Steve Fleschler has both the Focus’ and the Signature III’s. The Focus’ would overwhelm my room.
I’ve heard both the Legacy Whispers and the Legacy Aries speakers and didn’t like either on of them. I’ve heard the Aries at several shows, and the Whispers at a couple of friends homes. At any rate, they’d both give me the same problem as the Focus’ would ... not room compatible. Besides, my Signature III’s are performing from a transparency point better than the best planer speakers I’ve ever owned at this point ... except I’m getting better bass and highs. For this, I give credit to both the TC and the Omega E Mats.
The ARC REF-6 has tons of great reviews. The guys here on A’gon who have the REF-6 love it. Its the first real break-through that I'm aware of at this particular price point for ARC since the REF-3, which is what I’ve used since it was new.
Ozzy, I can’t encourage you enough to explore the TC and the Mats further. If you want to call me I’ll describe what I’ve pasted with the TC that made such a huge difference in SQ. It took a LOT of TC to do the complete job though. Send me a PM and we’ll discuss.
A little bit of tc goes a long way. I have used the tc and put the brush back in the freezer and when I used it again a week later there was still enough tc on the brush to do a couple more applications. I still have a lot of tc left in my tube and I have done almost my whole system. I will be applying on my tubes soon. I also have another e mat coming and will update everyone on further system improvements. Tc and one e mat have been a great investment for me in my system.
barbapapa, I cleaned the brush with 90% Isopropyl alcohol. I removed the other tweaks from the area that the Omega mat is applied (breaker box). Tim only sent a small sample, but that's what I asked for and I appreciate it.
nkonor, I do like people thinking outside of the norm. That’s why I like Bob Carver products, Cerious Technologies cables and PS Audio components. And I give Tim lots of credit for coming up with such a creative tweak. But higher end components will bring in the best future trade in value as apposed to a paste on the connections.
fleshler, I haven’t actually heard the Aries but they seem to get great reviews.
oregonpappa, I understand what you mean about the size of the Legacy speakers. I guess that’s why I went to the Amazing Line Source Carver speakers they are tall but take up only a very small footprint. I will try to contact you.
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