I am very happy so far with the results of placing mats on top of my speakers 😃 More transparency, clarity, air, reverb & decay, realism, life, energy, palpability and engagement with the music.
Perfect Path Technologies: Omega E mat
I’m curious about this product from Perfect Path Technologies and would like to hear from those that have experience with it. I’ve bought and used the Total Contact enhancer and like what it does for my system so I’m interested in hearing how this Omega E mat performs.
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Last night's listening session was fantastic. As things settle in, the sound just continues to improve. Robert and I dug deeply into the record vault and came up with a real sleeper. I knew the record was good, but it NEVER sounded like this before! Definitely a demo LP for sure. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fantasy-3301-OJC-200-Dave-Brubeck-Brubeck-a-la-Mode-VG-VG/222625576056?hash... Instead of the usual Paul Desmond on alto sax, it features Bill Smith on clarinet. An amazing LP. Be sure to buy the stereo version. I don't know if there's a CD release ... If so, I haven't heard it and can't vouch for it. Highly recommended. Frank |
^^^ Oh times ... how they have changed. Ethics, where did Thy go? Why hast Thou forsaken me? Again, try this record. Its a killer diller ... :-) https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fantasy-3301-OJC-200-Dave-Brubeck-Brubeck-a-la-Mode-VG-VG/222625576056?hash... Frank |
Sbayne-I was hoping for your experience(s) with using big kitchen magnets. Also, if they enhance E-Mats properties when stacked with them. tommylion- I wonder how E-Mats work on speakers? I didn't think that would be an appropriate application. On my 5'6", 7 driver speakers, the drivers are located up to 5' down, the speaker terminals 5' down and the crossover about mid-way down. How strong is the E-Mats affect on a speaker that size? Would six stacked E-Mats be more effective on a speaker? Would an E-Mat be effective covering speaker terminals? These are valid questions which could help audiophiles in improving their sound at lower cost (sbayne) or higher cost (tommylion), or not worth pursuing (no change in sound). |
Steve ... I tried leaning an E mat up against the crossovers on the Signature III’s with no change in the sound. Grannyring... The intention in my post wasn’t an attempt at negativity. Not at all. It was an attempt to get people to think beyond themselves. Geoff ... I know you weren't TRYING to make my point ... and that's the entire point. Says volumes. Frank |
I agree with grannyring that its another interesting aspect to be looked at. @sbayne please continue to post your experience and of course if you ever get an e-mat of either size let us know how it reacts to what you’ve already started. If anything I can send some that I will be getting for you to experiment with. I have been using some black discus' from Mad Scientist that are working really well that I want to see how the e-mat plays with. |
Yikes??!? Kitchen mats, how did I miss that? I just bought a 10' roll 30 mil thick mat that is used primarily for putting signs on sides of cars, and it's been shipped in less than an hour. LOL! But the good news, really cheap for real. What do I have to lose now, will try it on my breaker panel for giggles. LP |
You may. But let’s keep it here as I am sure we will end up combining the two etc.. Again, it’s all good! User experiences and ideas to use with the E-mats or without are what these forums are for. How E-mats work with other tweaks etc... All this is good. To limit it means it does become an ad, not a forum. |
lpretiring I would guess the level of intensity has something to do with effectiveness as well. I bet mine will stay in place at 100 mph! See my previous post, which I just amended to address intensity. The reason eMats are more effective when stacked probably is not (rpt not) a function of magnet intensity. You said it yourself - strong magnets hurt the sound. Hel-loo! The trick is knowing WHAT TO MANIPULATE. And that whole subject is unfortunately one of those unmentionable subjects and beyond scope. |
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Well, he is absolutely within his rights to hide the secrets of his product. When people talk about cutting the mat open and other questions I would discourage that sort of thing too. Who wouldn’t? Hel-loo! I had a skeptic take an Intelligent Chip (which wasn’t even my product!) to a metallurgist to try to determine the metals and other material used in its construction, not realizing the active ingredient (artificial atoms) was sandwiched between the two thin discs, out of view of the scanning electron microscope. 😛 Never smarten up a chump and never ever give a sucker an even break. |
I'm certainly not going to cut open an E-mat. However, I have tiny alnico magnets strategically placed in my system where they are away from E-mats and use a certain metal to make them work, without the metal, the magnets damage the sound.
It is also proprietary to the inventor so I can't divulge it either.
The worst use of magnets I've heard many times are High Fidelity cables. The more expensive, the more gigantic the magnets. They sound awful. My friend who had an $850,000 audio system in a $500,000 dedicated room just sold $100,000 worth of H.F. cables and replaced them with GroverHuffman cables for about $5,000. It wasn't the money, it was the sound quality. Like night and day. Unless sbayne finds otherwise, the question about the E-mat having enhanced properties with the use of additional magnetism remains. Or does it worsen the sound? |
It’s not how cheap you are. It’s what you know. 😀 For example, the induced magnetic field of large transformers is not (rpt not) good for the sound. Which is why wrapping transformers with low frequency high permeability alloy improves the sound by absorbing the magnetic field. Or for speaker magnets, high frequency high permeability alloy. By the same token it’s customary to DE-magnetize cables, CDs and LPs, not to magnetize them. Trying to use magnets to “manipulate” the sound is like shooting blanks in the dark. Magnets don’t somehow smooth the signal, reduce noise or distortion, or any such thing. |
I use a Walker Talisman to demagnetize my CDs and LPs every time I play them. The difference between a magnetized CD and a Talisman demagnetized CD is as different as using 6 E-mats when comparing a magnetized (several plays of a CD for instance) and a "Talismaned" demagnetized CD. The Talisman is just a big pair of magnets but works like a powered tape demagnetizer unit, but is non-powered, easy to hold and use and small item. I highly recommend it. I also have an Acoustic Revive RD1 which does a so-so job and which I purchased prior to the Talisman. Otherwise, the tiny group of magnets I use in inconspicuous locations use a special metal which interacts with it. I doubt that it actually magnetizes the surfaces but probably does the opposite to great effect. The proof is in hearing it. |
Geoff-The High Fidelity cables do exactly what you think of magnets added to cables, they increase the noise and distortion. The former proud owner of them complained that his system lacked smoothness. When I heard it, it sounded like garbage coming our of the AvantGarde Trios and 3 pairs of Basshorns. All the instruments were like in bass relief, outlined but lacking in body with disjointed frequency range (separate lows, highs, mids). After installing a more conventional (but an extremely elaborate and patented) set of speaker, A/C and IC cabling, his audio system sounded really enjoyable. |
“Yea, I’ve never seen a product where you are discouraged to take a picture of it, let alone there is some taboo against cutting it open to see if its a plain old piece of magnetic backed foam rubber that the seller is claiming magic properties to or a scientific breakthrough worthy of merit“ You are purposefully distorting Tim’s response to a question, in order to stir up controversy. He said that a mat that is cut up will not be eligible for a refund under the 30 day return policy. Perfectly reasonable. Obviously, I, or anyone else who purchases a product, am free to take pictures of it, cut it up, or do whatever else I want to with it. |
First it was magical goo to paint on connections. Now it’s a magical mat to place near or under my components. No explanations, not even an attempt at one, on how either of these things accomplish anything. It’s a secret. Numerous posts by a handful of people gushing about great these products are and the wonderful results obtained. Over the top endorsements repeated over and over. It’s a paid for advertisement. $600 for a magical mat. Yikes. Audiogon is getting goofier every day. Hard to take seriously anymore |
tlong1958 ... Okay, this is exactly what I was referring to in my ethics comment. First off, TC is not "goo." Its not "magical," nor are the E Mats "magical." There have been numerous posts here, and also in the Total Contact thread, made by numerous members who have taken the plunge to buy and try the products who return to say that there has been no "hype" or "over the top" statements made. In fact, they have reported that it goes beyond what they expected. And yet, in an attempt to attract attention to yourself (as others have as well), you casually just spout off nonsense in an attempt to demean the products, the beta testers and the manufacturer himself. If that wasn’t your intent, then how about posting your intentions in a further post. Thanks ... You say Audiogon is getting goofier every day and getting hard to take? How about living in a society where the majority think they are owed something for nothing ... is that goofy enough for you, or what? Another example ... you state there hasn’t been an attempt to explain what’s causing these products to work. First of all, the manufacturer doesn’t owe you a damned thing, let alone an explanation that would reveal to the world that, which he’s worked for, for so many years to accomplish. You are correct in one thing you said, and I agree totally agree with you on it. Its your "gushing" comment. Those who have tried the TC and the E Mats ARE gushing ... and for good reason too. These products are transforming their audio systems far beyond where they could ever have dreamed they would be through using the usual channels. Its called "innovation." Open up your wallet, tlong1958. Let all of the moths fly out, then buy a few Omega E Mats and a tube of TC, then you’ll see what all the "hype" is all about. You’ll be "gushing" too. Order the mats first. If you like what the results are, then order the TC. They work very well together. Remember, there’s a money back guarantee on the mats, so you can’t lose. Shouldn’t be anything holding you back at this point now, right??? Let us know when you make the purchase so we can follow your progress ... and begin to "take you seriously". Thanks ... Frank |
Frank, I had no idea who you were until you started the TC forum. In fact, I never participated in any forum prior to the TC forum and now this one. Everything that you have described was compelling enough for me to try the TC on my own dime. I did so because you were describing the types of improvements that I had heard, after spending a bit of money for Audience power cables, interconnects, speaker cables, power conditioners and Stillpoints in my system. I was pretty happy with the musicality I had in both my systems but as cheap as the TC and mats are, compared to what I had spent, it could not hurt to try. Though I was cautious in the beginning with the TC, due to my dealer/friend experience with other contact enhancers, I have treated more than I would have ever done because I like the positive effects on the music. The bottom line is, I am so glad I did because these two products are exactly as you and others have described. I have enjoyed my Hi-Fi more than ever because the TC and the mats have not hurt what I had done prior and have improved every aspect of those previous “tweaks”. Finally, Tim Mrock has always answered all my questions about TC application and Mat placement in a very professional manor. He has also answered my calls and/or emails quickly. He is also very friendly, honest and excited about his product as any good businessman should be. Now back to the music. Thank you again Frank and get healed up. rc |
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Here is a quote from troutchoker on a cables thread "
Here is a simple suggestion: if you think ANYTHING makes your music more satisfying then get it if you prefer." Doesn't this sum up what all the posters who like E-Mats are doing? I don’t understand why some of you are so concerned with what other people think. Do what you like and just enjoy YOUR music. Enjoy." Exactly. That's what we are saying without knowing how or why E-Mats work. So, why does he hate a company who doesn't describe what they are selling, only that it obviously works for anyone who has tried the product? |
🐟 troutchoker If a company cannot explain what it is selling it is usually selling air or feathers. ( junk.) Whoa, hey, hold on there, troutchoker! There are many perfectly good reasons why a company cannot or should not explain a product it’s selling. In no particular order, 1. He doesn’t know the explanation or doesn’t know how to explain it technically. 2. He wishes to keep the details SECRET. You know, so someone doesn’t steal his idea. 3. He decided to keep the details SECRET in lieu of pursuing a patent, which can be very expensive. 4. He wishes to build suspense and drama. |
fleschler 354 posts 07-19-2018 7:15pm Geoff-The High Fidelity cables do exactly what you think of magnets added to cables, they increase the noise and distortion. The former proud owner of them complained that his system lacked smoothness. When I heard it, it sounded like garbage coming our of the AvantGarde Trios and 3 pairs of Basshorns. All the instruments were like in bass relief, outlined but lacking in body with disjointed frequency range (separate lows, highs, mids). After installing a more conventional (but an extremely elaborate and patented) set of speaker, A/C and IC cabling, his audio system sounded really enjoyable. >>>>There could be some explanation why you heard what you did. The High Fidelity Cables are not really an example of using magnets on cables, but an example of magnetic conduction. With all the positive testimonies and reviews of High Fidelity Cables I tend to believe that they probably sound very good and that something unknown produced those negative results in your friend’ system. Who knows what? to whit, this excerpt of the review of High Fidelity cables in 6 Moons, “The entry-level CT-1 introduces something quite unusual which immediately suggests that you're in high-end territory with a very liquid extended soundstage. But the most salient feature is their apparent naturalness. I have always considered it very difficult to combine a very lively music reproduction with a good level of neutrality. ”The CT-1 speaker cables sat undoubtedly closer to Nordost than Cardas but were bit less ethereal than Valhalla to get closer to my concept of a truly universal wire. Bandwidth seemed extended but lacked some weight in the low end and the treble wasn’t as sweet and refined as the Nordost Valhalla. On the flip side the Yanks had the better midrange and balance than Nordost. The profusion of low-level detail was in the top range of many cables I know. These resolved a tremendous quantity of small nuance from the mid bass to the upper treble. They also cast a wide and deep soundstage with an amazing quietness like the AudioQuest K2 but with much better tone and dynamics.” |
“tommylion- I wonder how E-Mats work on speakers? I didn't think that would be an appropriate application. On my 5'6", 7 driver speakers, the drivers are located up to 5' down, the speaker terminals 5' down and the crossover about mid-way down. How strong is the E-Mats affect on a speaker that size? Would six stacked E-Mats be more effective on a speaker? Would an E-Mat be effective covering speaker terminals?” fleschler, I really have no idea how the mats work with speakers, but I continue to be delighted with the improvements they bring. I am really looking forward to getting two weeks on them. My AN speakers are two ways on stands, around 4 1/2’ total height. I have the mats on top of them, long side front to back. The tweeter, woofer and crossover are all no more than 18” below the mat. As I understand it from Tim, the effect of the mat extends vertically above and below it. How far, I'm not sure? This is all new to me, sorry I can't be more help with your questions. Obviously, Tim would be the one to ask. |
@toetapaudio HFC has a 30 day return....so no reason for anyone to be stuck with the product. Even if one person feels they suck and I know many don't, you should give 1 a shot to see for yourself. Personally I like the MC-05's, but I have heard them not synergize well in some (few) system setups. Please visit the HFC threads here to get more views. I have also read that some people prefer the cheaper HFC products over the more expensive ones. Once again..system synergy. |
toetapaudio, I have one MC-0.5 plugged into the duplex outlet that feeds my system. Please see my experience with it here: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/high-fidelity-cables-mc-0-5-waveguide-and-total-contact I have not removed it to see what effect that might have, as my system is sounding so wonderful I don't want to mess with it 😉 |