New Synergistic Product: Tuning Discs

the "The Big Misconception About Electricity" if you watched the full video was fascinating. 

"Since it's A/C going from positive to negative the electrons are moving back and forward going nowhere."

Are you kidding me? Thanks for the laugh!

@tommylion yes you can use them inside components, CPU’s or adjacent are effective locations as are transformers, and or a crowded ground point; but don’t over do it. You can even combine a Purple with a Gold disc at two of these locations inside a single component to good effect.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

@pesky_wabbit , seems relevant to the topic at hand.....not at all, but OK, you have a personal issue, obviously. All righty, then. :)

I drank the synergistic kool-aid.
 So my system has all SR cables.. i also have many of their tweaks. Atmosphere Infinity towers, HFT (at least 36 of them), tranquillity pods and bases, plugs, fuses, outlet covers, ground block, the list goes on… but ill say this, with each purchase my dealer hand delivered the product to test. My dealer also advised where to go next. My dealer helped with placement and answering questions. My dealer also had no problem when I didn’t want the product or needed more time to decide. 
 

I may not have an ultra megabucks system, but i have gone and listened to plenty of them and i can say with total confidence that my system blows everything else i have heard away. I know that the secret sauce is the SR stuff. My sound is organic, enveloping, lush, detailed and never fatiguing. The stage is perfect. The realism is sometimes startling. Yes, i have great equipment. Yes i have treated my power, my ethernet, my room, etc.. but i know that my system is where i want it because of my ability to Tailor the sound w my sr gear. 
 
look tons of people have expensive hobbies. If your into cars and you want to squeeze everything out of your engine.. maximum horsepower.. go for it! If you want the engine to purr a certain way, or the exhaust to whistle… who am i to stop you from enjoying your hobby. I hope that @ted_denney earns a new car from the sales of his products, after all.. they give me enjoyment of my hobby and thats all that matters to me in this. 

In my quite lengthy experience, SR products are the real deal if your system is good enough.

Give 'em a try...

So after reading this thread I do not know the difference between the two colors.  Can Ted please explain the differences and if they are used in different applications?

I already used carbon based shungite from Russia with copper and quartz all along my electrical line...For many years at low cost...I am proud to say that this is my own homade experiments...

I dont pretend my "golden plates" best this product at all, i dont know, but at least is less expansive and work for me...

i had no problem with this company synergistic products at all but the boss treat me like shit when i wanted to discuss in one of his seller thread...i was menacing his trade it seems in his head...I like to discuss unlike this guy....

And anyway my acoustic method is superior to any electronic equalisation or electronic tuning... AT NO COST...

By the way i dont think coal will be usefull...But any minerals , any of them affect the S.Q. put on some point near the audio system but often negatively ... People are too lazy to experiment and prefer to throw money ....

Myself i already know that nothing best acoustic anyway even tweaks that work well and which i created or replicate...like my Shuman generators grid...

Why does that interacting with the EM field make for better sound? Because it can? Also carbon fiber cannot cost much so one would expect price to reflect that. One might try a lump of coal or two and see what happens. Inexpensive if it works so you can add as much as you want cost effectively. @mahgister could probably advise well regarding what materials work best and most cost effectively.

without getting into the benefits of synergistic’s products (or lack thereof), it is always impressive to me when a manufacturer or their marketer/retailers offers true money back trial periods

i think synergistic does this, yes? i went to the site just now, for a quick look, could not find one clearly stated -- maybe i am missing it --  but i has somehow thought such a proper and generous return policy was indeed offered... maybe it is specific by product? not sure

perhaps ted can clarify

with such a return policy in place, critics should really hold their fire... if they haven’t tried, and a trial is so easy and available, why criticize?

But any minerals , any of them affect the S.Q.

mahgister, I have been using crystals in my listening rooms for over two decades now, and do not discuss it as it seems too fringe for most. Your research has paralleled mine in that I have found the results can often be negative. It took me years to find some sort of repeatable pattern in their usage. The impacts can be quite profound when applied intelligently.

I believe the mechanism at play is the one under discussion at present.

@willgolf  Carbon Tuning Discs are placed in a
circuit, on cables, or on components to interact
with their electromagnetic fields to improve sound
quality. There are two variants, Purple and Gold.
Purple is more holographic and airy while Gold
sounds richer, warmer and more liquid. In most
systems you will find optimal applications for both.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

@jjss49 : Synergistic sells via dealers. Not direct. You can check through your dealer, or you can inquire with SR for a dealer near you. In the SR website, there is form you can fill out when you hit “buy” under each product.

I know the following are SR dealers:

https://highend-electronics.com/collections/synergistic-research
 

https://www.thecableco.com

If you look at the SR page on these new products, it says right there “30 day money back guarantee” : 

@thyname +1

@jjss49 

Carbon Tuning Discs will be sold with a 30-day no-risk money back guarantee (if not damaged.) It will be possible for anyone to try them and take up to 30 days to decide.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

Thanks for the reply. Can the discs be used inside components like the ECTs? I believe CF is conductive, hence the question.

 

@tommylion I am reluctant to use the aluminum ECTs in areas that can short despite them being anodized. Yes, do not place Carbon Tuning Discs where they will short a circuit. even though they are clearcoated, I would not take the chance. This will be covered in detail with the instructions. BTW are finding that not only do they work extremely well on cables and components, but also the dedicated router in our system. This application made a huge difference yesterday when I was voicing a new rack.

Guys out of respect for AudiogoN I will be commenting as little as possible going forward. I do not want to jeopardize @ozzy’s thread.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

Sorry Ted I think that boat has already left the harbor

On the webpage it says they will come in packs of 2 purple and 2 gold. Is that correct, I hope so?

Given my recent experience with the ECTs, I am eager to try these.

@rsf507 as little as possible on this thread.

Yes sir Mr. Denney SIR. We will post as little as possible on all of your threads.🙃

”Yes sir Mr. Denney SIR. We will post as little as possible on all of your threads.🙃”
 

Thanks, that will be wonderful!

Number 5 and 6 I see. Good making progress

IT’s OK to promote products for free on hifi forums if the rules permit which they seem to do here. Not OK to try to censor responses or tell people what to do or not. Just saying. Take the bad with the good else buy an ad where nobody can protest. Transparency and responding clearly, directly and politely to all questions helps.  Just the facts maam....

All the best,
Nonoise

I find this statement ridiculous. As I have used a number of SR products in systems past and present. These systems were made up of such brands as Moon by Simaudio, McIntosh, Pathos, AR, Gold Note, Bel Canto, Raven, PL, Sonus faber, ..... think you get the gist and the SR products did not make a change for the better or worse in my systems at the time.

Not saying they do not work just I did not hear the benefit. Now maybe a system of mid to lo-fi gear would benefit more?

I am sure Ted will weigh in but I think the old line of your system is not revealing enough is stereotypical response.

Just my opinion no rub on Ted or SR products at all.

andynotadam

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02-08-2022 10:18pm

In my quite lengthy experience, SR products are the real deal if your system is good enough.

 

Give 'em a try...

@ted_denney @thyname

got it thanks

i went to the main synergistic page to check, did not see the 30 day money back thing there, but yes it is indeed there on the relevant specific product pages, my bad for not checking those

For Information: This entire thread was actually taken down yesterday. I had to request Audiogon to reinstate it.

So, we need to be courteous of each other. Its ok to ask questions, heck it's a new product. But don't get personal and keep the comments to this product. Hopefully soon, others can comment on their actual experience, as I have.

ozzy

@jerryg123 

I vaguely recall you mentioning which SR products were in use. Can you please remind us readers which specific ones? 

Have confirmed that the discs will be sold in a pack of 2 purple and 2 gold (Ozzy, I assume this is what you have?). Excellent news, I was thinking I might have to buy 2 packs to try both🙂

That is interesting because someone already posted a picture of the boxes showing separate purple and gold boxes.

I guess we will find out.

ozzy

It would be good if they are also available in single color packs, for those who have a clear preference for one or the other.

It is remarkable the differences in each item (purple vs gold).

Both versions will have a place in my system.

ozzy

@dabel . Sure SR Orange fuses, SR PHT and SR ECT.  also one that did work out was the SR XOT Carbon for my QLN speakers.

Again I am not a naysayer and I have an open mind.

jerryg123,

I am interested in what you think after you are able to try them. I think you will be surprised (impressed).

ozzy

@ozzy I am willing to give them shot, though I did say I would not give Ted a dime of my money for his shot at a member here with Asperger. I am a principled man and  have several friends with kids on the spectrum.

It is only $200.00 and I will give them shot once released to the market.

Also have ordered the new Cable Elixir from the HF Cable fellas. Had the old juice and misplaced it...errrr!

@jerryg123 for the record I did not “take a shot” at a nice guy on the spectrum. I responded to an abusive objectivist who was attacking me nonstop on Audiophiles North America on Facebook. The hit piece you referenced was compiled completely out of context. The same guy you are defending physically attacked me at the last AXPONA where police were called and security escorted him out of the building. I forget the guys name, but if I must I’ll find it. He’s notorious and on par with his internet buddy Ethan Weiner.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

@ted_denney I will take your word for it and I apologize for any discomfort I may have created.

I am man enough to do that though @oldhvymec may beg to differ but I digress.

Again I will not disparage you any more and I will take down those posts that offended you if you will.

Social media can be a bitch and that is why this is the only place I participate in a forum or social media.

I accept your apology. AG is a great place for all to enjoy. I admit to being a Terrier and what ever it took to bring some sort of resolution..

My aim is Noble, my tactics can be pure GUTTER!! For that I apologize.

Be Well. Our war is over.

@ozzy 

Hello and thanks for this thread. 

I know it may be hard to quantify, but can you compare these new tuning discs to the effects of the Purple fuse? I have two of the Purples and find them to enhance the entire audio checklist, particularly in terms of cleaning up and extending the high frequencies. 

Are the discs as impactful as the fuses?

Sorry to put you on the spot. Thanks again.

gita,

I also own the purple fuses and the QSA red fuses for that matter.

I think these tuning discs will give you more bang for the money. It is an instant result, not something you have to let burn in or listen carefully to tell if it is doing something.

It is amazing to me that something so small can do so much. But it does in my system. I guess that is what prompted me to post this thread.

ozzy

@oldhvymec thanks. It was just a skirmish not a war.

@ozzy How do the discs attach to cables ?

thx

Jim

@jerryg123 respect to you.

Ted Denney III— Synergistic Research Inc.

tomic60. They came with a little white sticky putty. I suppose blu tac would work also.

ozzy

Don't forget to put myrtle wood blocks under your speaker cables!

So soon after I received the couple purple and gold dots, I asked SR if I could get a couple more to experiment with other equipment and combos.

Today, to my surprise I did get a couple more to try.

So, first off, I found that placement is important. Sometimes the purple works better but other times the gold is better. It really depends on the equipment.

I also tried adding a couple more to my 3m long interconnects, but I did not like it, the sound became too closed in. Perhaps too much of a good thing?

Then I tried them on power cords and there again, I also got mixed results.

So, I will have a lot more experimenting to do. At the moment, I like the gold on my interconnects and the purple on my speaker cables.

I guess the important thing is to try both the purple and gold and don't settle on one type too soon.

ozzy

Thanks for the useful updates Ozzy am looking forward to trying them for myself.

Dan

Four to a box. Would you place all four on a pair of cables,input and output? Or two pairs of cables,input or output?  I also am shocked at how many folks here tried a prototype product and didn’t care for them. Oh wait, that’s right,they really haven’t tried them,just interjecting an opinion.  I was always intrigued in tweaks,and wondered if they would really work. I recently experimented with a contract enhancer. I was blown away by the effectiveness.   People may think that something is silly,or crazy. However,if you haven’t tried it, in my book,you lose credibility from that point forward. Just my measly two cents. 

Don't forget to put myrtle wood blocks under your speaker cables!

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Well if you can produce them, I can sell them.. How's that? :-) I hate raisin' cables to vacuum. there is more than one reason..

Regards

Alternative products are out there  http://marigoaudio.com/z-dot-application/

Hi ozzy: How do these new Synergistic dots compare with the WA Quantum dots we were using a few years ago? The WA dots made my sound too forward and aggressive after a while.

I remember the WA stickers; I think I may still have a few. These are nothing like that. They are way more powerful in sound quality performance. Hard to explain but the sound becomes much more natural sounding.

You only need one per interconnect placed at the source end.

ozzy

@jerryg123

Appreciate the response. It’s exactly what the vast majority of readers need to hear regarding trick-or-tweak … some subjective experience. Those who drink the Kool-Aid and claim every tweak works in their system regardless from whom is very questionable, regardless of “said” source. However, a trial period is the only truth settling fact from fiction in ones “subjective” world. Oh, and … never mind 😉

Edit: The XOT Carbon I’ve been eyeballing for quite the extended.time … good to know