NEW PROTOTYPE FUSES COMING >>>
leicachamp >>> "Why the secret on its rrp? Marketing Ploy?" Actually, it is a grand conspiracy designed to elicit really, really dumb responses from camera buffs. Frank |
Oh and BTW nearly forgot, thanks for the reminder Frank, seeing we’re into a new page @oregonpapa "I’ll know more when my third regular audiophile friend comes up next Sunday". rsf507 Not just a joke rsf, but a very well organized way taking advantage of the electronically gullible here. Cheers George |
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In the UK All fire insurance assessors are trained to investigate any and all self or badly implemented alterations to a house electrical system no matter how small that do not comply to building regulations or equipment manufacturers specifications. If an investigator reports that a fire or electrical incident occurred in the following scenario an insurance company will invariably invalidate your claim for Your Amp Your fire damaged room or your House. Replacing a BS 1362 regulated fuse with anything else Audiophile or otherwise is just the same as soldering a section of wire into your equipments mains inlet http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BS1363/DTI_warning_on_Counterfeit_Fuses_web.pdf |
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It’s a little ironic. The mantra used to be that the improvment in sound from the addition of audiophile fuses was the equivalent of buying a new component. By the time people are on their third or fourth round of buying new fuses they will probably have spent as much or more than the cost of some new components. |
@tsushima1 : So what you were saying is BS. You are actually stating that fuses that do not meet BS1363 invalidate an insurance claim, if the appliance were fitted therewith. How do you know how many standard and so called audiophile fuses meet or exceed these specifications? There is so much Chinese junk in the supply chain that if you actually tested them against spec I reckon the audiophile ones might fare pretty well. |
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"Applies in the USA, too." Not true, a fire is covered regardless of cause (except arson by the building owner). If the offending fuse was installed by a third party, the insurance company might have legal recourse to recover their payout. Under your logic, if you left the bacon on the stove unattended and it started a kitchen fire there would be no coverage. Wrong! |
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And in the meantime, and back on topic ... as the prototype fuses continue their break-in process, the audio system continues to improve. Last night’s listening session was spectacular. I was listening to some jazz played on a Hammond B3 Organ. Incredible tubey midrange in a very good way. Another LP I played last night was a gift from Mister Golden Ears ... a Japanese import of a guitarist playing Japanese folk music in the style of a Koto. It was fantastic and in the room. I find the unique rhythm patterns of Japanese music played on Kotos to be beautifully fascinating. I can’t tell you anything about the album because the cover and liner notes are all in Japanese, and I don’t speak the language. So, that led me to take out the Bud Shank/Koto album. It was the best I’ve ever heard this album sound. Lots of air and three-dimensionality. It was as though the Koto player was sitting just behind and to the left of the left speaker. Superb playing by both Bud Shank on flute and by Kimio Eto the Koto player. https://www.ebay.com/itm/174556730421?hash=item28a4645435:g:11MAAOSw0lFf1Qxk Frank PS: I listened until 1:30 in the morning, and believe it or not, nothing caught on fire. :-) |
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It has been so long I can no longer remember who it was but back in grade school there was this kid who got so petulant at losing he took all his toys and went home. This always puzzled me. Why did he think anyone wanted to play with him in the first place? I majored in business with a minor in risk management and insurance. Erisch is of course correct. Meanwhile- Improvement over improvement over improvement over improvement over.... One begins to wonder where the system started out from to allow for so much.... Doesn’t matter. The fact of the matter is the very best anyone can do today is still laughably far from replicating reality. When we gush about how something is so much better, more real and lifelike and whatnot, this all stems from a love of music. Only when we really love something, deep and strong, does anyone care when it is made a little bit better. For those of us who care any improvement however small is important and worth the effort. Of course we know not everyone does care. Plenty of people studiously maintain an air of impartial aloofness making a show of not caring while at the same time calling themselves audiophiles. It is sad, and we do feel sorry for you. But it would help a lot if since you really don’t care you would be consistent and not care enough to be rubbing your not care in our faces all the time. Go not care somewhere else. Leave the listening to those of us who do. |
cerberus79 To those non technical thinking of purchasing these $$$ fuses. Just save your $150+ and do this instead. A fuse: 1: two end caps 2: short piece of fuse wire connecting the two end caps through a glass tube (that’s all she wrote). To those "non technical" members that are interested in "maybe" wasting their money, do not listen to the non-technical, listen to the technicians of this industry that design the audio products you have and listen to. AND YOU WON"T SEE THEM ON THREADS LIKE THIS AGREEING WITH WHAT SAID HERE ABOUT THE SOUND IMPROVMENT DETAILS AND AC FUSE PLACEMENT DIRECTION, EVER!!! Just clean and tighten your fuse holder and re-new your fuse (if old) with a good quality 50cent Bussman, Littlefuse or similar.As with "many switch-on surges" they do deteriorate, bend, stretch and get crusty with electrolysis formations on their fusible wire elements before they give out, as these pics show of a fuse wire element ageing over time show. https://ibb.co/9NbTwqK (even the $$$ boutique ones will age just as much also) Cheers George |
For me, the trip down the stereo road all started out with a Nikko receiver, a Micro Seiki turntable, and a pair of Sonab 400 speakers way back in, I think, 1972. I thought it was great. Then, I discovered tubes. It has been a quest for better sound ever since. Millercarbon ... You are exactly correct. It is all about the love of music. I remember as a little kid back in the early 1940s during WWII ... I must have been only three or four years old. My parents hung out at the beach a lot. There was a dance hall right there on the boardwalk. I used to wander off and sit right at the front door and listen to music. Little did I know at the time that I was listening to some of the best big bands of the era. Orchestras like Tommy Dorsey, Glen Gray, and Glenn Miller come to mind. I’ve carried the love of music with me all of my life. I’ve traveled through the Doo Wop and Rythem and Blues era. Through the BeBop jazz era. Through the Big Bill Broonzy blues era. I protested the Elvis and Beatles era and refused to listen to them because I believed they were making a fortune off of the backs of the great Black artists who came before them. Then, I settled in on West Coast jazz with the likes of Brubeck, Tjader, and Howard Rumsey’s Light House All-Stars. Then, other music-loving friends introduced me to classical music and opera. I wonder how many posters here own any Rita Streich albums, let alone ever heard of her? So, that brings me around to my present-day stereo system, and all of the tweaks done to it. The only reason ... and I mean the ONLY reason I go through all of this is to GET ME CLOSER TO THE MUSIC, THE ARTISTS PLAYING IT, AND THE INSTRUMENTS THEY ARE USING TO PLAY IT. At this point, I have collected well over 5000 LPs and several thousand CDs. It is an incremental journey for sure, but some of the latest innovations like these new fuses ... and other things I cannot talk about in public, have worked to get me there in giant steps. Kudos to the designers for allowing that to happen. Mega Kudos to the sweet lady in New Hampshire. Frank |
@oregonpapa Frank, I was trying to follow the thread but the tiresome from down under has made it difficult. I'm I right to so you think the fuses your review were in the same performance range as QSM yellow? If so, how do they rate price wise? Do you have any opinion as to what type of equipment they would be best suited to? You mentioned it has "tube sound" so may it be better suited for solid state components? Thanks |
pauly ... Thanks for the questions. 1. Yes, they are in the same performance range as the QSA Yellow fuses. I now have three of the prototype fuses to play with, and two of the QSA Yellow fuses as well. Overall, I’d say that both fuses are a revelation in the fused world, but overall, I am preferring the prototype fuses by quite a margin. 2. When I say tube-like, I’m not referring to that old-time tube gear sound. I’m talking about the more neutral sound of modern tube gear like Audio Research. It just seems more life-like in the area of a three-dimensional presentation like tubes do. The QSA does a nice job of fleshing out the details as good solid-state gear does. But the prototype fuses are no slouch in the detail department either ... just in a more relaxed way. I took a date to a musical at the Dorothy Chandler Pavillion in Los Angeles one evening. We were early. There was a jazz quartet playing in the foyer. Bass, drums, keyboard, and soprano sax. We had about 45 minutes to listen before we had to enter the auditorium. What struck me the most was how relaxed that live, unamplified jazz combo sounded. I kept closing my eyes and comparing what I was hearing to my stereo rig at home. No contest. Real, live music is relaxed. It is detailed, has beautiful tonal structures, and is again relaxed. THAT is what I am getting from these prototype fuses. Not so much from the QSA Yellows. 3. Which fuse is better for tube or solid-state gear? I’d say it would be a matter of taste. As you can see from the above ... I’ve made my choice. 4. On price >>> I’ve made my humble opinion known to the manufacturer on a couple of occasions. If they stick to that, they will be VERY competitively priced. Once the word gets out, I think they will sell like hotcakes. What audiophile in his/her right mind wouldn’t want this? On a side note, one of my audiophile friends came over last night for another listen. He’s the one that I did the first a/b/a/b/a/b comparisons of the two fuses with. His comment last night was ... "Frank, I actually think these prototypes are doing as much for the system as your Perfect Path Technologies "Gate." So, I can’t say it any better than that. Take care ... Frank |
@oregonpapa Thanks for your response and apologies for the disgusting grammar - not sure what happened but I think I should not post from my phone anymore! I also use tube gear and found when correctly implemented tubes to be exceptionally accurate and natural to an extent that I have not heard from solid state. I just wanted to confirm what you meant by tube sound. Your description of the fuse sounds interesting - something worth having a look at. Please keep us posted as to when they will be released. Thanks |
Wolfie sez >>> "Weird...sort of like believing that fuses can influence the tone of sound reproduction devices." I don't think the fuses are influencing the sound. I think they are getting out of the way of the sound. In other words, they allow for lower noise saturation throughout the system. Like everything else that has lowered noise in the system, more of what is on the recording is heard at the speaker end. This may sound weird, but most of the tweaks I've talked about in this forum over the past five years or so have done exactly that. The PPT Gate, mats, TC, etc., all have had their influence by lowering the noise floor. All of the aftermarket fuses I've tried over the years have done the same thing. With these latest fuses, both the QSA Yellow and the new prototypes, the noise is lowered even further. Frank |
O’papa For many or at least some, for whatever reasons good or bad, the equipment noise floor is not such a concern or noticeable problem as it seems for you. With all the revelatory reductions in noise floor over the years, with multiple fuses and other tweaks, is there a chance that the actual ambient noises of the recording studios or live performance halls are what is being reduced? |
rsf507 >>> It is appalling how dirty the AC power entering our homes really is. Every time I try one of these noise-lowering tweaks, I think there's no more noise to be removed. The PPT "GATE" was extremely effective in lowering noise. At that point, I thought I had the noise issue solved for sure. Little did I know how much further the system could be taken. Again, after installing more tweaks and devices to lower noise, I thought I had the noise issue solved. Then, along comes the prototype fuses. Zowie. They are really good. As a side note, I got the word this morning that the introduction date will be mid-October. No word on price yet. Stay tuned ... Frank |
jetter >>> "... is there a chance that the actual ambient noises of the recording studios or live performance halls are what is being reduced?" Not a chance. What is being reduced is electronic hash/noise from the AC entering the system. What that does is allow one to listen in to the recording more. Last night I was listening to a live Fleetwood Mac recording and was really taken by how present the venue was. I also played a studio recording of a jazz combo, and again, the recording venue was clearly defined. In an earlier post, I mentioned a Bud Shank flute/Koto recording where it was like the Koto player was sitting on the floor to the rear and left of the left speaker. As I said, these tweaks, including the new prototype fuses are all working to get me closer to the music, the musicians, and the instruments they play. Frank |
* - Garden Variety Fuse ** - Gold Plated Fuse |
I think there's at least two different things going on Frank. The Gate and a lot of Krissy's stuff I think of as more of a sink than a filter. Can't be a filter in the normal sense because nothing goes through it. It is not in the circuit, at least not in the normal way we understand a circuit. She will probably have a heart attack but I have explained this a few times and it is so alien to our understanding of electricity I have total confidence in being able to explain it clear as day and yet no one gets it. The Gate is an open circuit. A lot of this stuff is. Shouldn't even work. But it does. Then there is your Mat, your QSA Stones (which I just tried last night) and other stuff that is even less of a circuit. This is stuff that just lays there sort of close and therefore can only act via field control. Everything electrical has a magnetic field which is why it is called an electromagnetic field the one goes with the other they are one and the same we just like to divide stuff up even when it is the same thing. This brings us to the fuse. How's the fuse gonna filter anything? It could be made of materials used in the first two situations. Something like used in the Stones or Mat - or TC or NPS for that matter. This is in fact what we do when we dab some TC or NPS on the fuse. Nobody ever said it can be only one thing. We can do it all. But the main thing I think is going on with the fuse is a massive improvement in power transfer speed. You probably already know the way faster hexfred diodes improve detail, image depth and liquidity. Same for higher quality power supply caps. I think the fuse is working the same way. Not filtering, but simply allowing power to flow so much smoother and faster that the resulting sound is clean and free of artifacts. It sounds as if it is filtered even though it is not. Anyway, whatever it is and however it works the results are freaking fantastic. I put six of those little Stone things on my Raven last night and it was absofreakinglutely insane! Yes a big part is Claire Marlo and Michael Ruff are superbly recorded. But, come on, man! 🤣🤣😍😍 The improvement, to mix metaphors, was yuge! 🤣🤣 Bigly!😁😍 |
MC >>> " Anyway, whatever it is and however it works the results are freaking fantastic. I put six of those little Stone things on my Raven last night and it was absofreakinglutely insane!" See ... that’s what I mean. Just when we think we have it nailed, along comes another product to prove how wrong we were. That’s what the prototype fuses are doing here. On the "stones" --- I know they come in two packs and that there are three varieties. So, are you using all three varieties or all the same? Also, where are you placing them in order to get the best effects? Oh, and by the way, the question came up by another A’goner via phone call who wanted to know if I could see inside the prototype fuses. The answer is no. The glass is completely black and can’t be seen through. Thanks ... Frank |
Well, okay @wolf_garcia, only the sitar ;-). Harrison said he didn’t touch a guitar for a coupla years, and you can hear it. His playing on "Rain" and "Paperback Writer" (both fabulous songs) was great (and on a lot of Revolver, their last excellent album imo), next thing we knew he was writing and playing "Within You Without You", a real nothing of a song. Plus, he was no master of that Indian instrument, just a barely passable dabbler, if that. Acid (I’ll assume) lead Lennon to think Yoko was an artist, and we got "Number 9". I rest my case! To be clear, I love "Strawberry Fields Forever" (acid drenched though it is), and about half the white album. Sgt. Pepper has a LOT of filler, a vastly over-rated album imo. The Let It Be album is dreadful, unlistenable. By the time of Abbey Road they were in my rear view mirror, left in the dust by The Band, Dylan, Van Morrison, Randy Rewman, Ry Cooder, Jackson Browne, etc. etc. They had over-stayed their welcome with me, and were passed their sell-by date. |
THIS FUSE CANCER TALK HAS TO STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course it did, that was going to be a given There’s ulterior rewards to say it did, and nothing to reap if it didn’t. And then to s******g with everyones head😜 to make things look legit, you’ll do a reversal on that, so the other fusee will reward you for a few more months. |
