New MOFI speaker (Andrew Jones)

I believe gimmer has a pair of the new MOFI speaker.

Reading the Stereophile review raised some questions for me related to horizontal and vertical dispersion. JA listened with the speakers placed horizontally, but did not mentioned orientation for his measurements (unless I missed it). As the front baffles are not perfectly square, wouldn’t perceived dispersion, sound stage, and instrument placement differ between a vertical vs horizontal placement?

there is a used set being resold out of oregon... listed on the other site... knock yourselves out folks 😁

there is also a very recent youtube video with steve mccormack being interviewed, stating he is very impressed with his set of these -- he is up there in age these days, but i would still trust his assessment more than most others on the ’tube...

I am about a month in with mine.  Amp is the the Allnic 30th Anniversary T2000 with KT170 tubes.  I am still waiting on the stands.  Dealer was told end of January or into February.  I currently have them on some loaner Wharfedale stands 

I have had Golden Ear Reference, Tekton Encores, Martin Logan Montis, Wilson Yvettes and some B&W's as a reference.

These were really supposed to be temporary speakers in one system while I am waiting for a pair of Janszen 9.5s to be built (I am anticipating May/June).  I would then move them into a secondary system.

I listened to some Klipsch Forte's and Cornwalls at my dealer and did not connect with either one and I liked these immediately in the dealer's space.  I was really looking for some sort of speaker/dollar formula when making the purchase.

Looking at them as the $3700 speakers they are, I am pleased with the purchase.  Imaging is really good and the soundstage is well defined.  I have not tried them on their sides yet (waiting for the real stands).  Bass is actually fairly full for a 10" driver and I do not find the treble bright which could be the KT170s helping.  To my 55 year old ears, I preferred the sound over the 6K Cornwalls.

They are probably a little big to be a set of bookshelf speakers.

My listening habits are mostly classic rock and acoustic rock (which these are good at) and some classical (not as good.)

@gimmer, thanks the information and your willingness to share :-)

@gimmer I will echo lak in thanking you for sharing this information.  I have been interested in this speaker from the get go, but just a bit leery as all the initial hype has been from spin doctors and not actual users.

I wrote on this thread that I own The Mofi Sourcepoint 10's. They sound fantastic. It amazes me that people endorse or criticize them if they did not hear them. It is hard to believe speakers at any cost can sound this good. Maybe it is because Andrew Jones developed speakers that have sound coming from one point, and not several drivers trying to correctly blend sound before it hits the ears.

A lot of high end audio is hype, and a lot of people listen to reviews and buy into the hype.  I heard the Mofi's at the Capital Audio Show and they blew me away. Before passing judgement, wait until you hear them from a dealer or from someone who bought them. They are dynamic and live sounding as hell. I think the Sourcepoint 10's are game changers, and are a threat to high end audio. 

The SourcePoint 10 review (and measurements) is up on the Stereophile site now.

t amazes me that people endorse or criticize them if they did not hear them.

Even more mind boggling: over on sites like Jay’s Audio Lab, where he has posted a number of "demo videos" of the SourcePoint 10s, the comment section is filled with people actually thinking they can evaluate the speaker, and give their conclusions, over youtube!

Yeah if YOU really think that you will be able to tell how these speakers will sound in YOUR room via  YouTube video then best to you. Tell us all how this works out

That S..ts funny to me someone would take stock on speaker sound quality from a recording of a speaker played through different speakers. 
 

“hey Bob did you hear doze new Wilson Maxx 54s on the YouTuber! Man that s..t was amazin! Gonna get me a pair of dem”

just kiddin. MAYBE you can get a general voicing signature from those videos but other than that…….. 

ive had this speaker for about 3 weeks now - its one of the few speakers where i actually really like the fact that the treble and bass are all one driver . Because its so one pieceish - its very clean and tight 

Coherence with a capital C make this speaker very grown up and sophisticated - Its very good for home theater as well - although its not talked about much

In fact its very arguably a great home theater speaker.

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For music i would give it a solid 8 stars out of 10

For home theater -  i would give it 9 stars out of 10

You guys should see my comments on the Qualia IQ thread.  You cannot buy the speaker driver used in the Mofi....but you can buy the all the parts for the Qualia and make a much better version for about $2.5K.  The stock Qualia is a whole nuther level up from this very good speaker (Mofi) that uses ordinary Chinese sourced wire, xover parts and jacks.  Even if you made an external xover using the worlds best parts and execution.....the modded Mofi would still not image as well or play as delicate or be as dynamic or go as low as the stock Qualia......and since you can make your own Qualia clone that is way better than the stock Qualia for $2.5K.....game over.

@ricevs 

Very interesting 411 about the Qualios. I didn't see any DIY info.

I absolutely love my Emerald Physics 3.4s. I have Mark Ss personal pair, which I assume have upgraded XOs to which I upgraded the  CRAP jumper wiring, making them long enough to get the XOs off the bases, which vibrate like crazy . This simple DIY alone was/is a HUGE improvement

I`m not doubting that DIY speakers can sound great but the resale value of them takes a nose dive.

IMO...even OEM speakers can take a hit value wise when fussed with.

I`d rather buy mint used stock speakers and if I need/want to resell them I won`t lose too much if any money.

Just my opinion

though Ric's EVS upgrades are awesome...

@ricevs can you please post a link to this Qualia IQ thread?

I searched it, but the only hit is this thread.

Just scroll down a little bit on this speaker forum  Sometime this weekend I should have fairly detailed instructions on my website on how to make your own way better than stock Qualia.

That'd be great, ricevs, I'm interested in seeing that.

Ah QualiO, not QualiA.   
 

4ohm.   I just received my GaN1 + Node, so unfortunately the Qualio are off the table.

O not A...my bad.

The GaN 1 should have no problems with the 4 ohm Qualio....it has low impedance at low frequencies........The tweeter is not 4 ohms but higher.....and even if it were 4 ohms you would only be down one quarter of a db at 10K......can you hear that?

Thanks, I’ll keep an eye out for the Qualio.

Won’t be pursuing the Mofi at UK prices.

@singintheblues There are hundreds of UK speaker brands to choose from. I'm in a similar situation in France with French brands. Can't you audition UK gear in your local area? 

I say this because US brands like Klipsch and JBL are greatly overpriced compared to equivalent French brands which get virtually no attention because the USA is the centre of the world. End rant. 

@kokakolia is MoFi a US brand?   They’re made in China.

Absolutely no justification for the price difference.

We're a dealer in Canada and just got our stock in. So far, even with limited playing time, they're impressive and I think they'll be very popular. Lots of interest already. Build quality, fit & finish and sound quality are all at a very high level for the asking price. Very easy to drive, dynamic and sound huge in their presentation.

We have them on custom Skylan Stands for the speakers. You can see some pictures on our website or Facebook page. The combo looks fantastic. Right now, we're breaking them in with an Accuphase E-280 integrated, but will soon be pairing them with a Bel Canto C6i integrated which should be an incredible match for the money.

MoFi stands are now available.  The box for the two of them is about 77 pounds.  The bottom plate is where most of the weight is.

Which (less than $3,500) amps do people recommend running with their SourcePoint 10s? I recently acquired a pair and am driving them with an old Rotel RA-970BX. The sound is great so far, but the bass could be tighter and mids a touch more pronounced. It also seems like my right channel is slightly quieter, even after adjusting the DC bias, so the clock is ticking on this amp. From what I've read/watched so far, people seem to be using:

• "Warmer" Class D amps like the Rose RA 180 (Andrew Jones @ audio shows), Rose RS 520 (per a local dealer), and, @everest_audio's rec above, the Bel Canto C6i.
• Other warm sounding SS amps like pass labs and occasionally tubes

More neutral amps may not be the best match given the chance of too much treble extension (Luxman 595 ASE + PS10 = too much of a good thing). What do people think will mesh well for a slightly warmer sound?

One route i've been considering is a tube pre (Rogue RH-5) and then a more basic Class AB amp like an Odyssey Khartago or Van Alstine SET 120. 

We indeed had mentioned earlier that the Bel Canto C6i should be a very good match and can confirm that's indeed the case. Great synergy between these two. You can read about the combo and see pictures here:  https://www.everestaudio.com/combo-mofi-sourcepoint-10-and-bel-canto-c6i.html

Here's the latest review from High Fidelity of the Sourcepoint 10 by Wojciech Pacula (who is a recording engineer as well as a reviewer). They gave it a Red Fingerprint Award.

All the best,
Nonoise

I had my Sourcepoint 10's for 4 months now. They are game changers in high end audio. I received my Mofi stands. I cannot imagine better sound anywhere. 

woj pacula is an excellent reviewer... one of the best out there

i recall a little while back his review of the spendor classic 100 and comparing it to the harbeth mon 40... wonderful review, so insightful and complete, and absolutely spot on in his sonic observations imo

Look at this deal!!!

https://link.musicdirect.com/u/gm.php?prm=nAIcTsePFM_785278652_3423718_41691&_esuh=_11_37ae8aa1670fbdeb763456022537ab01db0cb5e9e2617832c7e60500c41eaeb6

man, great deal indeed, as they cover return shipping too in event of return...

that is some seriously aggressive retailing... (and vast confidence in the product..or something else not as complimentary ... 😂).

I agree the offer that Music Direct is offering is awesome. If I was only looking for another pair of speakers...

@jjss49 Music Direct covers the return shipping IF the return is due to damaged / deflective items. But if the return is simply "don’t like it", the customer will be responsible for the return shipping. Their 60 days’ in-home auditioning policy is indeed very gracious although I do not encourge people to abuse it. The staffs are courteous and responsive. Highly recommended.

Not in this special case with the SourcePoints. The linked ad clearly states MD covers both shipping to the customer AND the return shipping, no exceptions.

Music Direct covers the return shipping IF the return is due to damaged / deflective items. But if the return is simply "don’t like it", the customer will be responsible for the return shipping.

Not in this special case with the SourcePoints. The linked ad clearly states MD covers both shipping to the customer AND the return shipping, no exceptions.

+100%

good speakers, no doubt

but somehow i have a picture in my mind of a warehouse chock full of these speakers on sitting on pallets, looking for good homes

i suspect to keep the cost per pair low, many many pairs were manufactured in a sizable bulk order, and a full container load has landed here in the usa...

in any case, it results in a great offering to potential customers interested in hearing a pair in their own systems

Music Direct is running a special offer, if you purchase the new MOFI speakers and don't like them Music Direct will pick up the cost of return shipping.https://www.musicdirect.com/audition-mofi-electronics-sourcepoint-10?sc_src=email_3427087&sc_lid=233389523&sc_uid=kKEjFFAfqd&sc_llid=87826&utm_source=Emarsys&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=musicdirect+soundbytes+issue+%231089_5_04-07-23sc_eh=9d64fd06b3ab51201

The MoFi Sourcepoint 8 is now available for order.  $3000.00 plus $250.00 for the stands, if you want them.

MoFi Sourcepoint 8

smart next product in the launch plan

i always kinda wonder how the midrange purity would be with the tweet crossed over into the 10 in woof, neither perfectly suited to the vocals range ... 8 in driver may well produce more precise, purer mids, at some sacrifice to the bass depth and impact, and overall easefulness of the sound

i am sure one or more of the talking heads on the ’tube will do a comparo soon! ... or maybe someone here!

Looks like they are $2750 sans stands and $2999 with the stands. According to the link above...

I really enjoyed the SP 10’s sound, but the size was a bit too much for my living space to where i had to unload them. I would be willing to revisit them at the smaller size in exchange for less bass depth and slam.

• SP 10: 14.5” x 22.5” x 16.6” (WxHxD), 46.2 lbs each

• SP 8: 11.4” x 18” x 13.2” (WxHxD), 27.9 lbs each

I think most people will find the 8" driver of the SP-8 to more than satisfy for their musical needs. I have a 7" driver in my two way Atalante 3 monitors and they are just a tad shy in the bass compared to my JBL 4319s with their 12" driver, but that's  in my small-ish room. I get all the bass I need with that 7" driver.

This is a smart move by Mofi in reducing the imposing size of the SP-10 to accommodate tastes and the old WAF.

All the best,
Nonoise

With most of the research cost already sunk in the Source 10, a smaller and cheaper version is something that makes sense.  I've seen and heard the Source 10 (pretty nice sounding speaker), and while I liked how it looked, it struck me as being a bit too large for a lot of rooms as far as aesthetics are concerned.  The Source 8 should find favor in most domestic settings.  If bass extension and high volume capability are the primary areas of compromise vis-a-vis the Source 10, that won't be too bad because it struck me that the Source 10 had plenty to spare in these areas.  If it is efficiency that suffers the most, that would be a bigger deal as the best sounding amps (to me) are somewhat low in power.

larry - great point, one which had eluded me earlier

sp 10 is 91 db/wm whereas sp-8 is only 87 db/wm --- that is a significant sensitivity difference... a major selling point of the 10 was its fairly high efficiency allowing use with lower powered tube amps, single ended sweeties... that is something definitely traded away if one goes with the 8’s

Ah yes. 10 “ drivers. 8” drivers. Just like the good old days! My ohms are 12” and 8” drivers respectively. Hurray for Real speakers not with undersized drivers that are still around these days and are of high quality but  that won’t break the bank. Happy Days!

+1 @mapman 

One of the big challenges in designing the speaker was to have a 10” woofer respond high enough for the 1.6 khz crossover point (the speaker must have a bandwidth much higher than this point even with a 12 db/octave slope).  That makes it quite impressive that some vintage 18” drivers can operate way up beyond this point.  

Apparently, Hoffman’s iron rule plays here but the trade-off seems too steep. I am on board with @jjss49 in regards to the sensitivity and the ability to use warmer, lower power amp with SP 10. Don’t know if this is a wishful thinking that someone (if not AJ himself) could eventually come up a design with a breakthrough to Hoffman’s rule, i.e., nice 7-8 inch coaxial woofer/tweeter in a SP-8 cabinet that goes down to sub 40 hz and >=90 dB sensitiveity. I’ll jump on it.  Buchardt has  almost done that even in a smaller closed box.