Help me find my ideal Stereo Integrated Amp


Hi all. Do you know of a Stereo Integrated Amps with these features?
1) $10,000 or less

2) DAC

3) Streamer

4) Phonostage

5) XLR connections (does not have to be truly balanced)

6) 200 Watts at 8 ohms/400 Watts at 8 ohms

7) Optical/Coaxial/HDMI digital inputs

Thank you in advanced for your help.

luvazquez

Gato Audio DIA-400S comes close at about $5k with the network module upgrade. Only missing the built in phono preamp built in. Don't personally own one but have heard good things and been eyeing one for a while now. 

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WTH do people continue to make recommendations that do not hit required targets?
Anthem:NO Streaming!
Hegel:$12,500.00,NO Phono stage!
Naim:LOW power & NO Phono stages!
OP: The only I/A I can think of that ticks ALL your wants is the NAD Masters Series M33 @ $6000.00 but the 4 ohm power doesn’t quite make your requirement @ 380wpc...

Thank you for directing me to the NAD unit. That seems to be the best candidate so far. 380 Watts is close enough at 4 ohms. Will wait and see if there are any other candidates, I could not find any myself (but was looking at the wrong brands, apparently). 

Be Canto E1X. I’m looking at one now to replace my Bel Canto Pre-5 and ref 500 monoblocks. 

Agree that the NAD is the only one that I know of the answers OP’s question

separates are obviously a possibility under many circumstances, but there are reasons why people may not choose separates

I will get parasound JC5 and HINT 6/ or P6 for less money 💰 meet all your requirements 

https://www.javahifi.com/review-product/integrated-amp-double

https://www.javahifi.com/review-product/integrated-amp-single

I have the single shot integrated and it's beautiful. It doesn't have the streamer but everything else and sounds wonderful too. Even the headphones amp is wonderful.

@freediver  Almost weekly I read posts and shake my head. People ask specific questions with definitive parameters and there are always people who suggest items not within those parameters and sometimes way outside of them.

 

IDK if they don't really read the OP or just do what they want regardless of the info given. 

@roadcykler it looks to me like it's 50/50 right down the middle between the non readers & the IDGAF crowd hahahahaaa!You really can't fix stupid or lazy!
OP:The NAD I recommended is a Stereophile Class A rated component for 2024..Here's the excerpt from their take:NAD Masters Series M33: $4999
This extraordinarily versatile amplifier incorporates a fully integrated BluOS streaming platform, sophisticated control options, Dirac room correction, analog line and MM/MC phono inputs, digital inputs, a headphone output, and an output stage based on the Purifi Eigentakt class-D technology developed by Bruno Putzeys. KR was impressed. Listening to a brass band recording, he found the M33's sound notably transparent. "There was a satisfying balance between the drum and tuba at the low end, the brashness of the upper brass, and the filigree of winds in between," he wrote, going on to say that "the soundstage was full and wide, and there was the impression of significant weight and body." "The M33, in one well-integrated and handsome box, replaces all the traditional components and can be operated from a smartphone or a tablet," concluded KR, adding "Keep your beloved speakers and let the NAD M33 do everything else. It will do it all superbly." On the test bench the M33 exceeded its specified continuous output power of 210Wpc into 8 ohms and delivered 460Wpc into 4 ohms. JA was impressed by the "excellent" phono stage and concluded that "NAD's M33 packs a lot of well-engineered performance into its relatively small chassis." The M33 was both Stereophile's Amplification Component of 2020 and the magazine's overall Product of 2020. (Vol.43 No.10 WWW)

1:  Audition the Devialet Expert 220 Pro listing at $10k.  It has all you’re looking for in a sleek Class D design.   
2:  Better IMHO is a preowned Mola Mola Kula.  It should come in may be at or a little above your budget.  It will be hard to find but not impossible if you are patient.  
3:  +1 on the Bel Canto E1X, another sleek Class D design.  

All will have different SQ characteristics.  All have more than adequate power to drive almost any speaker.  Audition a must.  Good luck.  

NAD M33, as mentioned. Class D with Eigentakt Purifi design.

McIntosh MA8950. You will need a streamer.Class AB.

 

 

 

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If you concentrate on the quality of sound and performance of the integrated amp, you might have to consider using a stand alone DAC and streamer as opposed to a do it all receiver.

Luxman and Accuphase make superb integrated amps.

Hey, there are some here who cannot appreciate the helpful suggestions given, and should stay out of this thread.

What will be your primary listening source, stream or vinyl?  When streaming, what is your preferred provider (some amps will do one but not an other service)?

The new Hegel H190v might be something for you to check out.  It has all of the features you mentioned or with the H400 now out, you could check out the Hegel H390 and getting a phono preamp. I’m pretty sure getting a separate phono preamp will sound better than most built in ones.

All the best.

Looks like the upcoming ARCAM SA45 ticks all the boxes although falling somewhat short on power (180W/300W, 8 ohm and 4 ohm respectively). It may come down to a decision between that one and the NAD. The two brands reportedly have different sound signatures (warmer and brighter respectively).

@freediver You are correct the Hegel H600 has an MSRP of $12,500.  Are you the guy that paid the full price that one time?  🤣  As for not having a phono stage, my thought was if you're not caring about the quality of the phono, it could be added for a couple hundred and still be within the 10K budget.  Anyone interested in a higher end vinyl set up would most likely be looking at a stand alone phono stage?  So IMHO, someone looking at spending $10K, should consider the H600.  

I would not buy and integrated with a DAC or a Streamer, that $hit is going to change, so are connector types. I just had to say it.

McIntosh MA9000, It has a photo stage dac but no streamer 

Cost of 11K new, But you can find them use for 9K or a little less 

You could buy a blue node streamer, all for under 10k 

I happen to have a McIntosh MA9000 with an upgraded dac

(D2)  😁,  sitting in my closet, I upgraded to separates.

Been wanting to sell it. 

 

 

all of this recommended equipment is so far out of my price range I can offer little guidance in that range...its totally beyond my experience. But as a point of reference, I have a TA-1 sold by emotiva that I really love. Its an integrated dac/pre amp with sub output and rca outputs to drive bigger amps if desired, but honestly it sounds wonderful thru the built in amplifier. Will it drive inefficient speakers to ear splitting levels? No, but it will drive them to reasonably loud and satisfying levels. It comes with a decent FM tuner and coaxial/optical inputs and a phono input as well and serves me nicely in an office system. If others are looking for a solution for that kind of environment, you'd be hard pressed to find something better at its price and probably at twice the price. I think this is currently offered at $499.00.

I have to ask, what do you guys do for a living that allows this level of disposable income for equipment? Its so far out of my playing field I cannot comprehend having that kind of budget.

Parasound Halo Hint6 doesn't include a streamer or HDMI input, and is a little below your requested power range.  However, it does include a lot of things you didn't mention, but might find useful.  It's also $3999 new, which leaves you a bit of cash for a streamer.

Preamp and DAC Features

  • ESS Sabre32 Reference DAC (ES9018K2M)
  • Asynchronous USB 2.0 supports PCM up to 384kHz/32-bit
  • USB input decodes Native DSD64, DSD128, DSD256 and DoP DSD
  • Coax and optica inputs accept PCM up to 192kHz/24-bit
  • Analog bass management with high & low pass crossovers
  • Home theater bypass input for surround sound integration
  • Front panel subwoofer level control
  • Dedicated high current headphone amplifier (TI TPA6120)
  • Phono input for MM, MC and MI with 100 Ω or 47k Ω load
  • Front panel Aux input with automatic +12 dB gain stage
  • 5 pairs RCA line level Analog inputs
  • 1 pair XLR balanced Analog input
  • Balanced XLR and RCA left and right preamp outputs
  • 1 balanced XLR and 2 RCA subwoofer outputs
  • Bass & treble controls with relay bypass from remote or front panel
  • Rear panel IR input and IR loop output jacks
  • 12 Volt trigger output
  • Back-lit remote control with discrete buttons
  • 0.5w standby power consumption meets Energy Star & EU specs

Power Amp Features

  • 160 Watts x 2 @ 8 Ohms (RMS, both channels driven)
  • 240 Watts x 2 @ 4 Ohms (RMS, both channels driven)

Yes I agree I used Macintosh MA 12000 or a used MA9000 

350 what's per channel for the 12000, 300 Watts for the MA 9000

Both have equalizers and both have a nice warm sound 

And sound amazing. 

The build quality is great. 

Built-in dac, ( mine is upgraded to the D2)  

I only used mine for 12 to 14 months.  ( Willing to sell).

You can't go wrong with McIntosh. 

Hit me up.

I'll send you photos 😁

@livinon2wheels you are not alone.

my budget is 100s of dollars. (I give away my disposable money to various causes, which serves my children better than an expensive piece of paperweight in my living room)

I just come here to daydream.

I think anything over 3K for a component is wild.

 

Why does it have to do everything? With your budget, you can afford some flexibility.

@grislybutter - partly my reason for being here is to see what reasonable upgrade paths are and how to get more out of what i have. Also to see what’s available that has solid construction and reliability with decent performance. Im replacing most of my equipment and am not up to date on what is good now. Huge learning curve because i loved what i had before and most of that is no longer available. Modern day equivalents to what I had are hard to find. I cant assess equipment i cannot touch and hear, and bricks and mortar audio stores are scarce. It’s a quandry

Most of the forum is comprised of very well heeled buyers that punch way above my weight in purchasing power.

@livinon2wheels If you know where you want to be and you invest the time, you will get there.

It sounds like you know what you are doing - I don’t, I keep changing my system, I keep shrinking my budget by buying high and selling low and the sound is getting worse. But hopefully I learn something and it will get better wink

Most of the forum is comprised of very well heeled buyers that punch way above my weight in purchasing power.

I think a lot of people here have been very successful and are retired and have a lot of time and money to spend and are one or two zeros ahead of me. But it's not a competition, it's just as easy to make improvements to my simple system from 2 zeros less as it is for very high end systems.

I'm not "well heeled" but I like to spend money on tangible things that give me years, sometimes decades of enjoyment.  I'm not one to hop on a plane and go somewhere , I would rather have something lasting.   Can't think of anything better than something like a MA9000 or 12000.  Those are great amps.   A little beyond my means but worth it if you can afford it. 

I buy used and new if I can and will almost always be selling what's displaced.   I'd rather save for a year or two than compromise.   I will usually stretch my budget to avoid buyer's remorse .  Buyer's remorse is almost always due to lateral moves.   If you avoid those you save in the end from not constantly rotating gear.   

 

 

I had a Gryphon DIablo 300 that sounded amazing. You can find them occasionally here with the phono-stage module in your price range used. I did upgrade from there and sold mine for about $9500. I did compare it to a lot of other integrated amps - McIntosh - Hagel - Acuphase - Luxman - Moon. The only amp that sounded better to me was an Audio Research amp that I bought in the end. The Gryphon was tight - iron gripped - nuanced with a LOT of power..... I was driving a pair of Sonus Faber Serafino's at the time.

 

Good Luck...!