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Ran into this exact problem a few years ago bought a sunfire subwoofer and the one they had on display said made in USA, Washington. So I bought it but they had to order it for me, four weeks later they call I ran down there to find a box that said made in china. I told the salesman I don’t want that china bullshit he said bob carver sold that company and now there made in china. I said doesn’t matter that’s bullshit quality I’m not gonna trust that china all of a sudden likes us. He said look take it home and if you have any problems with it bring it back. Got home set it up ten minutes into my slam session it just cuts off. I check everything twice still don’t work so I open it up and my heavens what a piece of crap . So don’t open it up just take it back Rodney Pennington
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prime example monitor audio platinum are made in China and they're build quality is every bit as good or better in build quality and sound than magico focal or any of the other super expensive brands and their speakers outperform focal and Wilson and they're only one third the cost because they're made in China, if they were still made in England they would be just as expensive as those other expensive brands, and their driver technology is way ahead of everybody's.
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It isn't that the Chinese can't produce excellent quality products but rather that you know it is being done in China to reduce cost but you have no way of knowing whether you are getting the same quality of product because the reputation for MIC products varies all over the place. Personally, if I order a Danish speaker I expect it to be made in Denmark at those prices. I assume I am getting the quality of labor and manufacture and components that the countries produced products are known to produce.
On the other hand, I may take my chances if the price difference is sufficient to justify the risk.
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mickeyb: "I believe in the long run you will find that the quality is not there."
Why do you say that. Some Chinese products are now world leaders. Look at the great Hi Fi products made by Opera Consonance which consistently win awards in European magazines.
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I’m constantly amazed by the frankly insane bias against MIC. Monitor Audio manufacture in China and produce superb speakers. Frankly I doubt you will find the made in Denmark speakers any better, probably worse! The iPhone in your pocket was made in China. If companies want to give their IP away to Chinese manufacturers that’s their decision, of course even if they don’t the Chinese will steal it if they can. There are huge issues with the Chinese politically and their world view, which is abhorrent, and if you feel strongly that way then return the speakers, but it won’t be because of quality being a problem, but everything else.
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Well noted @mashif; having spent a significant portion of my career on supply chain technology I would further note that no one culture or region has a monopoly on technology or quality. While TQM (total quality management) concepts have their origin in the US, the execution of quality has advanced globally. One reason that the best micro chips currently come from Taiwan (but that could change).
Having seen first hand high tech US/Swiss medical device manufacturing in Mexicali, Mexico, high end German automobile manufacturing in Eastern Europe, I would caution the factors that drive design, production and assembly are far more than just location or culture.
I still believe that the US can achieve the highest levels of design and build humanly possible. We build anything, but only if we desire or find the need to do so.
It simply feels good to say "Swiss made," "German engineering," "Made in the USA," but to imply a unique skill by culture or region is about a century or two behind current global reality.
Keep the Dyn’s; (I love my Contour’s) return them only if their sound doesn’t meet your expectations. Pour yourself some Jamaican Rum or Kentucky Bourbon and let your ears decide on the sound performance.
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I’m constantly amazed by the frankly insane bias against MIC. Monitor Audio manufacture in China and produce superb speakers. Frankly I doubt you will find the made in Denmark speakers any better, probably worse! The iPhone in your pocket was made in China. If companies want to give their IP away to Chinese manufacturers that’s their decision, of course even if they don’t the Chinese will steal it if they can. There are huge issues with the Chinese politically and their world view which is abhorrent, and if you feel strongly that way then return the speakers, but it won’t be because of quality being a problem, but everything else.
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If you bought a Rolex and saw "Made in China" on the back you would be unhappy.
So return the speakers using the reason you mentioned. If you don't you will never feel good about them. Once the shell is cracked ...
I am sure that most makers who moved to China are nervous as a pregnant nun.
Rightly so. Buy a pair from the SF dude for $3,500. All local.
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You paid for one thing and got another. Unless the dealer is willing to make a cash concession I’d return them.
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I would just note that China put a rover on Mars and the Moon on their first attempts. Chinese people are capable of manufacturing to whatever quality standards the manufacturer requires. The issue comes when manufacturers (American, European, or otherwise) ask their Chinese factory to reduce costs instead of maximizing quality. If you trust the company to maintain their standards, it shouldn't be an issue. If you think they're reducing quality to cut costs, act accordingly.
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Send them back. The cost savings is going in the pockets of upper management.
F&$k them. I believe in the long run you will find that the quality is not there. The drivers are but the cabinets? Well……
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Are all the materials produced in Denmark or are there some sourced by the offshore manufacturer?
Is there Danish oversight or quality control continuously on staff at the offshore facility?
Is the retail price dramatically reflected in the price of the offshore models?
Is the manufacturers warrantee the same for both Danish and offshore products?
If a parent company has made the same technological investment in a given country and oversees the workforce trained to the same standards, quality can be quite good.
On the other hand, I'm not a beer drinker but I while in Amsterdam was drinking Heineken at breakfast. I don't know what that stuff is here in the U.S.?
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Dynaudio oversee all the design of the cabinet and drivers and give excellent value in their cheaper models . If you want true Danish quality then spend a bit more for the Contour line , I bought a used pair of 3.4 and totally rebuilt the Xover ,and rewired it with Cardas best wire ,WBT connectors .
with $1500 in parts ,the labor $1k+ if I didnot do it myself ,it’s much better sounding then the new $8k model 30 that replaced it .the ♥️ of any speaker is the Xover , upgrading it is by far the best value ,cost effective upgrade !
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Same kinda thing happened to me but with a coffee machine.
I bought a 'Swiss Made' Jura but what I received was made in Portugal.
Same thing, touting Swiss made and all that. I wasn`t too happy about it at all.
At least it wasn`t made in China
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Chill out, dude...Dynaudio isn't going to manufacture sub-par crap, whether it's made by Danes or the Chinese. Trust your fellow human beings to make a good product.
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Hey dayglow, are you really ebm in disguise?
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Another interesting observation to note. Some companies are designing and building audio products in China that are as good or better than made in other countries. I have a Line Magnetic tube integrated amp that sounds amazing and I would like to try the Wellsenton R-100i. A beast at 42kg and point to point wiring.
Is it fair to automatically assume everything made in China is sub par quality?
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Accept reality-
Likley, your setup has several made in China(MIC) products, though the manufacturer may be based in another country.
If someone has an aversion to MIC, then no internet(computer/phone/router, all consumer/household goods and just about EVERY consumable product necessary for existence.
MIC label is the way the ball bounces.
Feel privileged owning something even assembled in it's country home factory from China sourced parts and sub assemblies-cabinets and components.
No SQ relevance if the company is legit.
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My JBLs were built in Mexico and I could care less as they sound wonderful. You bought a design from Denmark that due to cost savings, was made elsewhere. As long as they sound great to you, who cares?
All the best,
Nonoise
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@deeadhead1000 the A/B compariosn would not be fair since the spekers would need to be broken in. Im trying to see if anyone has a similar experience. I see that many other brands in the $5000+ range have their speakers manufactured in China , Indonesia etc. But dynaudio claims of danish this and danish that and now when it comes manufacturing it its ’Made in China’... ’Made in China’ is not what I paid for.
But in the same vein, I do have DAC thats made in China that I love. So maybe its a psychological thing. Just bothers me.
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well. I checked mine. Made in China. Not pleased. But I am not sure, with quality control, how it could be made better in Denmark. It looks and sounds like a million bucks to me.
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They may sound and look the same as the Built in Denmark, but you'll always have that little doubt in the back of your mind. Although I would want what I paid for, here is one idea: bring them to the dealer and listen to his and yours side by side, without knowing which one is playing, and pick the one you like best. Have him hook it up to an amp with with an A/B switch.
Also, if he refuses, or hesitates to give you the ones from Denmark, that is a sure sign HE feels there is a difference, whether or not there is one.
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I have not run into this exact situation, but you should discuss with your dealer for 2 reasons. First - the product you received was not the same as the product you ordered. It may well be the same quality, but in reality, a product made in Denmark will usually be perceived as having higher quality, thus reducing the potential market value. Second, and perhaps more important - it is upsetting you, thus lessening your enjoyment of the equipment, regardless of how good it may sound. You buy this stuff to enjoy, not to stress. That said, there is no need to act in haste. Leave them in the boxes, call your dealer, have a talk and give yourself a day or 2 to cool down and let things settle in your head. There may be several ways to resolve the issues that you can't even think of right now. That's why opening a dialog is always the best first step.
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My understanding is that while Dynaudio has confirmed transitioning some of its manufacturing to China, their upper end models (Contour, Confidence, and maybe some others) were continuing to be built in Denmark. In any case they should be commended for clearly identifying where they are sourced unlike some other companies who just state where the products are designed leaving it to speculation as to where they are built.
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