Yes jerry....not related, but related. Bravo! You’ve found some Chinese companies in partnership with American, French, German and Japanese businesses that have sold to American distributors (in America) and none of them are on the list I linked to, and you said (or thought) they were.
None. Of. Them.
That, and it has nothing to do with the point I was making that there are American companies making stuff in China for American consumption. A point which you argued against. Then, you came up (or is it went off on) with anti dumping tariffs. Way off in the weeds, jerry.
I’m over here talking about apples and you’re over there hating on what I say and going with oranges for your argument. Not related, but related? In your mind, maybe, but not to anyone who’s been following this.
So it looks like the only time you’ve wasted is your own in your haste to bring me down, just out of spite and what you like to say, disdain. You end up like this all the time: going to great and misguided lengths to harm, thinking you got one over on me, and then, the way you celebrate. So sad.
All the best,
Nonoise
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And this folks, is how it always ends.
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The Tyrant of Agon?
jerry, you just hate anyone that has a functioning bullshit meter, and whenever you post something, mine usually goes off.
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Nonoise
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BTW you can look up tariffs with the FED and you sited 2 bearing companies and several tire companies that are subject to Anti Dumping Laws.
Are you confusing me with someone else? Is it the meds? I linked an article with a list of US companies who make products in CHINA. I didn't cite any particular Chinese companies making bearings or tires at all. None of the companies listed on your link are mentioned on the one I linked.
Are you saying you found a link that ties the Chinese with the American companies? Which American companies uses their parts and tires and sells them as their own?
Please, please, please name those companies and the amount of the anti dumping penalties they pay. I'd really like to know.
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Nonoise
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Again jerry, just statements made without facts. I asked for a simple verifiable thing on your part and you punted. Predictable.
Here's some facts for you: GM is 50% owned by China and Ford is 32% owned by China. The Buick Envision is entirely made in China as well as the Cadillac CT6 hybrid plug-in. Throw in cars "made in Mexico" that China actually builds but sends there to bypass that 25 % regular tariff (not some 93% anti dumping tariff) that they've been doing since 2006 and Bob's your uncle.
American companies will build anywhere they want, thank you.
All the best,
Nonoise
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jerry, if you bothered to (again) read the header before the list, it states that some products as well as lots of products made in China are for US consumption. US companies relocated there for the lax pollution standards and lower wages. Have you deliberately ignored that since the '80s and '90s?
Tons of automotive parts for US markets are made in China. Finding a few examples of an entire car being made there, for sale here, doesn't invalidate what the list states. And that's just the car market. Your both nit picking and off on one of your tangents again.
Name the two EVs imported here and the amount of the tariff assessed for reasons of anti dumping, and not just spout your "facts". And, keep in mind the two are connected (by you) so don't leave out the amount of tariff. Why is it you can't admit that US companies are operating out of China, making tons of products for US consumption, and have been for decades.
Turning a blind eye to this fact speaks volumes about your reluctance to admit that US companies sold out regular Americans for a buck.
By the way, I love your admonishments. They're so parochial.
All the best,
Nonoise
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So it's the old "fake news" argument, jerry? If it doesn't conform with your "alternative facts" world, then just dismiss it?
Darn it! I forgot I was talking to a cultist.
All the best,
Nonoise
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jerry, that is a very long list of companies that only represents about 1% of American companies doing business (having factories there for our consumption). If you had simply read the header (the stuff before the list) you’d see that these companies produce there for consumption, here. That's the reason for the list.
They are fully capable of running parallel lines of products and use pre made labeling for intended markets. It’s common practice.
Half of all industrial goods enter out country duty free with an average tariff rate of only 2%. We can charge anywhere from 0% to 550% tariff on goods to discourage dumping practices. It’s just not done that much since it’s relatively easy to know if a country is selling it’s products here for less than they charge for their own market.
What you don’t seem to grasp is that it is American companies using Chinese labor and lax pollution standards to make products for our use. You really need to lose the red, white and blue colored glasses.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Looks like jerry's got his wires crossed, as usual. Those companies listed have American products sold here, made there. And yes, there is an audience of buyers there as well. It isn't one way or the other: it's both ways being done at the same time with it being very, very easy to build for both intended audiences in the same plant.
As for quoting me, did it go over your addled head that I was referencing a British made product that the person who mentioned it, has (the 1979 Tannoy made in London)?
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Nonoise
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Well, those speakers made in China subsidized the pricing and increased the profit margins you paid for those made in Denmark so you should have asked for a discount as well.
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Nonoise
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Gotta love the sane, reasoned arguments posted here with the occasional xenophobic responses peppered in for good measure, as if they just skimmed past what makes sense so their heads wouldn't explode.
All the best,
Nonoise
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If you're talking about the Polestar, you're one lucky owner. Every review seems to love it. That, and it has the looks whereas the Tesla looks like it was designed by someone who used to design toasters.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Must have been made on a Monday. Like British cars from those times, the employees were working off their hangovers from the weekend.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Hey....here's a list of companies you can avoid if MIC is that big a concern for you.
Granted it only represents 1% of American and other countries with business ties in China, but, it's a start.
All the best,
Nonoise
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This topic of MIC (made in China) comes up so regularly that it should be included in the Farmer's Almanac to plant crops by.
All the best,
Nonoise
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That's like the good people of Kentucky refusing Obamacare and opting for Kynect (Kentucky Health Benefit Exchange) instead. The punchline is they're the exact same thing save for the name. Pride of ownership is ephemeral, but if that's going to keep one up all night, then go with god and return the speakers.
All the best,
Nonoise
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@uncledemp , Duh. Since when is a reassuring opinion that he needn't worry out of line? Too many summer patriots post with their hands over their hearts. Tannoy has had lines of their cabinets built in China since 2016, before final assembly back in Scotland and they still sell here with many satisfied customers.
Companies like Dynaudio carefully select factories that meet their standards and not just give anyone the contract.
All the best,
Nonoise
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My JBLs were built in Mexico and I could care less as they sound wonderful. You bought a design from Denmark that due to cost savings, was made elsewhere. As long as they sound great to you, who cares?
All the best,
Nonoise
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