It sounds like you have reached the point in your audiophile journey where you are tired of screwing around with gear and just want to sit back and listen to a system that sounds good. Nothing wrong with screwing around with gear, by the way. It’s just a lot of work and it can get tiresome after a while. Enjoy yourself.
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I have the same thoughts.....but I'm looking at NAD for the all in one integrated with Dirac. My dilemma is my system sounds great as it is, so do I want to go though the whole process of selling everything and doing a new system.....speakers and all
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Before you jump into Dirac, you really need to look at "Room Perfect".....Simply amazing reviews and seems to make more technical sense than all other automatic room corrections. This Lyngdorf's circuit design is really neat also. Pretty amazing piece of equipment for around $2500....
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Just a friendly piece of advice from someone who has been there and back. Buy what sounds good and forget about what makes sense on paper.
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The problem is the inability to audition in your own environment on your own time. And with certain products needing break-in, this can be a prolonged time.
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One of the most knowledgeable audio people I know (swarm subs, Atmasphere amps, etc.) has Lyngdorf for other the other part of his house and bought the Lyngdorf for at least one of his grown kids. Maybe he'll weigh in, here, but he is a very smart and committed audiophile and Lyngdorf gets his nod for simple-but-quality audio.
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@85 dB efficiency you'd better pray that 60 watts will be enough.
Good luck. I couldn't live without a USB A player and a tape loop.
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Freeing yourself of all that "stuff" could be liberating. If you are ready to simplify your life and just listen to music, see if you can get a trial unit to determine if it meets your musical needs.
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Room correction works best with at least a little room treatment. If you want the best out of it keep this in mind.
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FWIW...I was leaning to Lyngdorf but decided to get an Anthem STR for various reasons, not the least of which is ARC, which is widely considered to be among the best. Also much more power. I haven't even gotten around to messing with the correction and am blown away by the amp. Just throwing it out there.
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i would love to hear how the lyngdorf stacks up against the VTA ST-120. Its little brother, the ST-70 took the place of a high end SS amp which costs nearly double the price of the lyngy.
I'm skeptical and would love to have a one box system which does it all very well. My wife would certainly welcome it also. But I have seen these one unit wonders from woodworking to auto repair and of course audio. They most often fall short. But maybe this is the one to revolutionize the audio world.
I don't mean to be so negative.but the room correction throws up red flags to me. I have yet to hear any electronic gadgetry which didn't do more harm than good. I guess time will tell
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I have reduced the number of boxes but have not made the jump to All In One.
Would love to hear your impression's. If I did I think it would be Bel Canto e1x.
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I'm running a Lyngdorf MP-40 pre/pro and while not the exact product you're thinking about, it also comes with Room Perfect. The difference between the Lyngdorf with Room Perfect and my previous receiver with Audyssey was very noticeable, in favor of the Lyngdorf.
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I remember being mightily impressed by a Lyngdorf system when I heard it at a couple of stores. I can't remember the reasons why I didn't pull the trigger. But it still struck me as an extremely high quality product.
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I use the Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 as a preamp with RoomPerfect. Using the 2170 menu I disabled the amp and I feed a Parasound A21 from the 2170 analog output. The Parasound drives Maggies and a SWARM sub system. Clean, detailed, easy and puts a smile on my face. I will say the 2170 menu takes time to understand but I learned the navigation and can use the extreme power of RoomPerfect to give me great sound.
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Hearing John Darko in my head " no amp can correct your room "
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IMO & experience, NAD products seem to be well engineered & generally offer good sound for the $ BUT the quality of construction & long term reliability isn’t there . I will never own another NAD product again. I’ve been burned several times by their products failing & not worth being repaired just after the warranty expires. For what you’re thinking g about, maybe look into Naim . Much better built & long lasting.
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I have a TDAI 1120 in my second system. It’s a fantastic box of tricks. I prefer it without Room Correction and but with some Custom tweaks I apply in the Voicings.
For me, it doesn’t quite cut it for a main system.
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MiniDSP SHD with Dirac live was a game changer for me.
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I am using RoomPerfect (the Lyngdorf system) via an MEN220 (McInstosh licenses the software) - the difference it made was overwhelmingly positive - so, at least in terms of RoomPerfect, I think it’s terrific - I can’t imagine going without at this point
(and certainly understand the appeal of “one box” solutions, with the Lyngdorf a very nice looking piece of gear)
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I can definitely recommend the M33 as well. I’ve spent time with the M33 with Wilson Duette speakers and it was incredible. Very impressive. Of course, my system sounds a good bit better, but cost much more and there are many more components. Also, I don’t know what Lyngdorf uses for an app, but two thumbs up for BlueOS. The app you use is, after all, what can make or break the components in terms of daily use without headaches.
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@rbertalotto
Have you considered KEF LS50 Wireless II’s? If you’re going for simplicity, they are definitely fits the bill.
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@chayro
Just a friendly piece of advice from someone who has been there and back. Buy what sounds good and forget about what makes sense on paper.
Simply brilliant advice. Take heed.
Charles
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Downsizing is what I do with most everything in my retirement. Wonderful concept for a body that can do less and less without hurting. However audio is not one of them. Best thing I ever did in my late life is expanding my entire audio experience with a dedicated music house and the freedom to have all the separates I want and no access to any of it by my wife questioning why I need all of that. BLISS!
Her passion is Turkish TV soap operas, in the main house :)
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Not to mention all the "ugly" acoustic treatment 🙂
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Have you considered KEF LS50 Wireless II’s? If you’re going for simplicity, they are definitely fits the bill.
Not a big fan of power speakers for a main system.....I have KEF LS50 Metas. I had other speakers (Magnapan, Klipsch, B&W, ) and sold them all. The LS50s are freak’n amazing! I’ve been in the business for over 50 years and in all that time very few speakers impressed me as much as these KEF LS50 Metas....Magnepans, Dahlquest DQ10s, B&O 60s, .......All have one thing in common. Driver phase correction. I think speaker phase "distortion" is greatly misunderstood and not considered in most every design. These tall tower speakers that every single speaker manufacturer is building, to my ears, are horrible. The distance from the bottom driver to the top is huge. The time alignment is impossible. And it has been proven time and time again that you can’t get two drivers, operating in the same frequency, to react at exactly the same time.....and they cancel out certain frequencies.....Not to mention what a "Line Array" does to dispersion and imaging....And then add a VERY complicated crossover RIGHT BEFORE THE DRIVERS trying to correct this mess......I have a couple friends that after listening to KEF LS50 Metas, sold their tower speakers costing upwards of ten times and bought LS50 Metas.....I receive calls weekly on how happy they are with their $1600 speakers.....
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If you’re that happy with the speakers, I would consider the matching sub. It supposedly has good room correction ability. Remember also that if you love the speakers, part of the reason, perhaps a big part, is because they are well matched with the electronics you have now, so you might not want to screw with a working combination.
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Yup...Saving for the sub...
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I love my new MP-40 with Room Perfect. After going from top of the line Denons, to top of the lines Marantz,'s, to the top of the line Lexicons.. I switched to an entry level Lygndorf. I honestly think this will be my last purchase unless technology points me otherwise. All my previous changes have been for the sound I'm wanting. I found it ..
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I can’t speak about Lyngdorf, but will say +1 on simplifying. About three years ago I sold all the separates and bought a Devialet Expert Pro and haven’t looked back. While room correction isn’t built in like the Lyng, you can configure it with settings from REW. Honestly though, a few tweaks by ear to DSP in Roon was all it took for me.
Considering its a streamer/dac/phono/preamp/poweramp all in one, the cost of those separates plus cables makes it a great value proposition too IMHO. |
I think the Kef require power to make them perform to their capability which is the trick in this equation.
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Recently I'm driving them with an 8 w/ch tube amplifier and loving it! Usually I'm running them with 50 w/vh Pass Labs First Watt....
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Lyngdorf lover here. I have a TDAI-3400. Speakers are Spatial Audio X5. I also have a Whammerdyne DGA-1 (SET amp) and an MSB Analog DAC, which goes against the OP's goal of simplifying, but I can toggle between which source system drives the speakers. The Lyngdorf sounds so good that I listen to it 90% of the time and only switch to the Whammer/MSB setup when I want to sit, focus and really dig deep into the experience. In that case, the Whammer/MSB does create more space and dynamics, but the Lyngdorf is VERY good. And its room correction and DSP capabilities are fantastic.
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Well... don't know about Lyngdorf... but... I do have the Hegel H590 integrated (DAC, Pre, Amp) in 1 box. Use the Bryston BDP-3 as the player / streamer - which is superb also. This setup drives my Harbeths to perfection - which few others can.
It is much more simple than everything in separate boxes, which you must get just right to do the job as well. And you eliminate a lot of the "cable" questions.
So... I'm sure the Lyngdorf might be "just the ticket" for some speakers - though, it would have to match their requirements to drive them to their best.
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@rbrertalotto- it’s good to save up for things, but from where I sit, everything I want to buy jumps $500 every time I turn around. Maybe better to buy on credit and pay a few months interest. Just sayin. Also, if the 8 watt tube amp is what you love, I doubt any moderately-priced solid state amp will make you as happy. Just get the sub and be done before the price doubles. IMO.
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I bought a Lyngdorf 2170 for my downstairs system. My living room is not a good sounding room, and the Lyngdorf Room Perfect correction really made a huge difference in a problematic room. If you don't have a well treated dedicated room, Room Perfect can be a game changer. My Lyngdorf displaced a very highly regarded 300B amp. I thought so highly of it that I encouraged two of my adult children, who are budding audiophiles in their own right, to go the Lyngdorf 2170 route. They are both well pleased with Lyngdorf. If you are running a digital source, inputing the digital signal to the Lyngdorf is astonishingly good. This digital from beginning to end thing that Lyngdorf advocates is the real deal. I am somewhat less enthusiastic about running analog in. My daughter wanted vinyl, and we had to get her a phono preamp. The built in phono on the Lyngdorf was just not very good.
I bought my Lyngdorf used. That kind of money for a superb integrated amp with an outstanding Internal DAC is just crazy cheap. Highly recommended.
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I have the LS50 Meta’s set up with the KEF KC62 sub and am using the Arcam SA30 integrated amp with built-in streaming. This $3300 amp has sound which is rich and pure. The overall system is knockout, not even considering the low price.
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I went into my local dealer and he had an 1120 playing on Wilson Tune Tots and I was blown away. I borrowed the demo and ran it at home for a few days. I was very much impressed. My current system is a Naim Supernait 2, Naim ND5 XS Streamer/DAC and Tekton Electrons. After listening to the 2170, I am considering going the same route. I primarily stream through Roon, but I do have a decent vinyl setup as well(I didn't try it's built in phono.) I think for the money it is difficult to beat.
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Hi I’ve been a Lyngdorf dealer for about 14 years now,
If any one has any questions about Lyngdorf I am happy to answer you.
This is Neal from Sound Science.
neal@soundsciencecat.com
www.soundsciencecat.com
720.308.4000
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Just a note, I bought my Lyngdorf TDAI-3400 from Neal at Sound Science. He was absolutely great to work with. No sales pressure. He truly wanted to make sure I was happy with the product (TDAI-3400) and that I knew how to get the most out of it before officially pulling the trigger.
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