I look at the hobby a little differently. I view it from a strategic planning angle. I know where the weaknesses are and always have a plan of attack given the equipment available at any given moment which can change as new equipment becomes available. It never effects my enjoyment of listening to music.
When someone listens to your system for the first time.
I love to put something on that starts quiet then explodes like the beginning of The Wall. The look on their face is priceless. I look at the hobby a little differently. I view it from a strategic planning angle. I know where the weaknesses are and always have a plan of attack given the equipment available at any given moment which can change as new equipment becomes available. It never effects my enjoyment of listening to music. |
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I've had both experiences - it depends on their priorities. I have friends who don't blink at buying expensive cars, quilting machines, watches and jewelry but balk at spending more than 100 dollars for something else. I've gotten "WOW! That sounds really good" to "It sounds OK - my Bose stereo sounds pretty good too" to "I just want to listen to music without all the bells and whistles". People who grew up with music as more a part of their lives than just turning on a radio while they worked around the house or in their car are more likely to appreciate a good system. My wife saw many bands in her younger years and will remark how good my system sounds (it's the best I've ever had but not stellar by any account) but my daughter shows absolutely no interest beyond her iPhone and earbuds. |
Very few have heard my set up. Of the ones that have, one person, after hearing my ESL-57's, has been pining over a pair ever since. Had a mono pressing of Ben Websters "Soulville" playing as he sat down in the chair. He couldn't believe the 3d effect coming from a mono pressing. He is now obsessed w these speakers. This from someone who has a pair of Tannoy Canterbury's and a SOTA vacuum platter TT. He is not uninitiated in this. Another friend, listen to Dire Straits "Ride Across The River", while listening to my Cornwalls commented that it was the first time he heard the "wood" in the percussion section. He is also running a proper set up. LS50's, Rega 6, Bluesound streamer etc. But I think his reaction has to do with speaker placement. His set up is not in a good room, and limited with how it can be set up, so not working at it's best. |
Every time I sit down and listen to my reference system that is now three years old I get a little depressed. I start thinking about the last 50 years that I did not have my system set up right. I think about how I was siting off axes. I think of the time I had my speakers hanging from the ceiling as there was nowhere else to put them, snd on and on. Today I can listen to old music that I hardly recognize from listening to all those years which is a nice experience but I keep going back to all the time I missed out. In the end I have always enjoyed the music and always will but now enjoying it even more. Know exactly what that 30 year old experienced as I do myself over and over. |
I am amazed every time I turn on the system, the music comes out fluid, the entire wall behind the speakers seems not to be there, and the speakers they look like knick-knacks but despite this they allow me to recognize every single instrument placed in the space in front of me and the holographic image that comes out of it is amazing.The chain has many years behind it it has only been necessary to do more fine tuning over time.The few passionate people who have had the opportunity to listen were pleasantly surprised, they are honest people in their opinions. |
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Similar experience to pennpencil with my wife not being impressed. As an experiment I placed an Amazon Echo (1st gen) between the speakers and on top of my credenza. Switched between the two channel system and the Echo for roughly half an hour. She concluded there wasn’t too much of a difference… Hell, maybe she’s right. Or maybe it was strategic. Candidly, I’d lie if I said I didn’t critically listen to the Echo for a week afterwards to try and understand. |
terry91,553 posts07-24-2021 8:15amThe first comment comes before listening. It's about the quality of silence in the room.What silencer are you currently running? Will it destroy my neighbor's a) mower b) dog? Preferably anonymously, but not stuck on that. TIA |
My favorite reactions are: "Where is the sound in the middle coming from?" "Does sound come from the turntable too?" "Wow it sounds they're in the room right in front of us " And my personal favorite is when I play them Henry Mancini's theme from the Pink Panther at a decent volume and watch them jump out of their seat from the unexpected horn blast at 2:05. A close second is queuing up The Fairfield Fours' These Bones from the first note sung by the bass singer, that usually gets them to jump and then mouths open as the rest of the quartet joins in. Gets them every time |
"Is there a speaker in the middle, that I just can't see?" I love it when I hear that comment. "I thought I knew that album so well. I have never heard some of that music before now" Another favorite comment. I wish that my wife cared about good hi-fi. She typically leaves the room when I play my system. What a shame, for both of us. |
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Imaging. Many years ago before the screen there was a TV, with a thick blanket draped over it for music. A friend asked how many speakers? Two. No, really. How many? Two. What about the one in the middle? "That's a TV. The blanket is just to stop reflections." https://theanalogdept.com/c_miller.htm When I go to get the next thing to play he gets up, practically runs to the TV and looks under the blanket. What are you doing? "I was sure there was a speaker in there." |
@Builder, I think it’s mostly the 21KW exponential noise floor. It’ll handle a D7 Cat, not sure about the dog. But the Quietrock 545 and the exact dimensions may help a little. For exact dimensions, down to the nearest inch, go to the the tables published by the School of Acoustics at the University of Salford. |
I listen to my system "like a first time" when I swap cartridges or tonearms, or both :)) I feel the same when I swap phono stages or amps, or switch between 2 pair of speakers. |
Reactions I have had are: Wow you don't have a subwoofer? I hear everything! Never heard so much detail. Your room is actually treated. One didn't really compliment but stayed 4 hours none the less. They ask me What are those speakers? They show a lot of interest in them. A few were not that impressed. I'm 59 years old and this has been my main hobby for 40 years. I have slowly built a system that is the most I can absolutely afford. I know there's better equipment and better rooms but I'm happy. Below is my system for people that have asked the responders.
Acoustic Signiture Final Tool TT modded with with a platter containing 24 brass and rubber silencers to negate the ringing of the aluminum platter. Two new motors enclosed in a quieter housing with a new type of belt. The tonearm is a Graham 2.2 with an interchangeable ceramic tone arm.
The cartridge is an Ortofon Cadenza Bronze re tipped by Soundsmith. I also have an Ortofon 2m Black, a Dynavector 20X2, and a Shure M97xe with a Jico SAS stylus.
2.Acoustech PH1 P phono preamp.
Cassette decks.
7. Nakamichi 700II not shown. 8. Sony WM D6C
8.JVC TD 711.
9.PS Audio P1000 power regenerater.
10.OHM Acoustics Walsh 5000 speakers.
Headphones--------
1. Grado PS 500 with upgraded pads with Ear Zonk premium 15 ft extension cable .
2. Grado SR 60 with modded pads and mahogany pucks on the outside.
3. Audio Technica ATH-M50X.
Cables-------
1. Kimber Kable silver phone cable.
2. Pangea interconnects.
3. Kimber 12tc 24 strand AWG 8 ga speaker cable.
4. PS Audio power cables.
Miscellaneous
1. Record Doctor vacuum record cleaner.
2. 19 Per Madsen record storage units and 8 stained apple crates.
3. 2 VPI Magic Bricks
4. Aircom fan on top of the amp.
5. Maple slabs under TT, SACD player and phone preamp.
6. Extra ductwork to cool the room.
7.Billy Bags tandom audio rack.
8. 4 ATX 24"x 48" acoustic dampers.
8. 3 ATX corner bass traps.
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I’ve put together a system to present acoustic music at its best, and I like it. But when my brother came over and wanted to hear The Rolling Stones, I knew he was about to be underwhelmed. “I want to feel a punch in my chest,” he says, something my Magnepan .7s just don’t do. To each his own. I want the timbre to be just right on orchestral instruments, what I hear at live performances. |