I love the AMT tweeters in my speakers. They are definitely different from other tweeters I have heard. I enjoy their openness and air. But there are qualities of other tweeters that excel in other ways. Some v pricy speakers use beryllium or diamond or diamond coated beryllium. I see that the price of, Seas I think, diamond tweeter is like $6K a pair. Then ribbons offer used. Not to mention plasma, etc.
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hahaha WE all missed that one, a good one
No I am sure Scanspeak offers some nice tweeters to match the Seas Cresendo. I've always been a fan of Seas, 6 of one/half dozen the other. Not sure which Scan tweet matches the Seas Cresendo.
Im still holding Seas T29 Cresendo as Top dawg. Hey what about that recent Beryllium craze? Is it still on?? My tech says he does not care for Be domes..ohh well his opinion is good nuf for me. I'm holding Seas Cresendo as Top Dawg to beat. basically the T29CF002 is a **super** Millennium. Pricey as heck thats for sure Guess if you want the best, gotta pay up. = seas knows what they have But they have nom idea their Millennium is wayyyyy over priced at 87db. Should be reduced to 1/2 asking price and get rid of that thing. DElete it. It ONCE WAS a great tweeter.
This is the new kid on the block and he means business. Shot dead Kid Millennium right through the center of the heart bulls eye.
I bought these months ago. About 300..back then if I remember correctly.. He sends you a matched pair with graphs. Crossover to the Purifi at 3k 1st order on this go around..which I am told is a keeper. Much to do about the cabinet mechanical grounding..oh and the stands. Tom
I have common sense..look at all the magazines tests..of drivers not just this 1 of Russian origin but from all of Europe. We have these in a cast granite speaker now in duo with a Purifi 6.5 in driver and a unique crossover arrangement. My co worker who has built this out thinks its special. Very simple crossover with high quality drivers and no corrective components in the signal path other than a very high quality resistor. Tom
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There are some folks who bought into this ~~Russian~~ THINGY 3rd party? Try common sense.
Ancedotally, a friend lent me a pair of some 1980's AMT's, they were the ~~Rave~~. Same design concept, in oddly shaped black plastic boxes. Sold for like $4G's.
, Folks fell for the contraptions back then. Seems this russian thing is the new rave.
Dynaudio Esotar, goes for like $2G's a pair,, thats a bit stiff for a tweeter, But I must say, looks super high tech and impressive. WOW factor high,, But again, according to Troel's ideas, A tweeter should not add anything to the image. I'd bet on the Seas T35002 or Seas Cresendo, to come out as best performers in not adding anything other than whats in the source recording.
The Dynaudio Esotar is just too expensive, if we find out its doing exactly what either Seas' tweets are doing. = Not adding, not taking away. ,,,for alot less cash.
@mozartfan - my old boss makes a two way with the Seas T35 and Peerless 8" with a modified baffle (T35 baffle in solid copper) in a two way floor stander - exceptional!
Mike Lenehan is developing a stand mount two way using the Purifi 6.5" and Morel ST728 (which is right up there with the T35 in SQ).
Fortunately I have been introduced by some newer electrical components by members here in Agon that I have passed on to Mike. MCoil VLCU for one. Thanks ricevs for that pearl!
We’re in discussions on entirely building these new speakers in the USA, out of American hard woods laminated with other materials, including metals and phenolic for an inert enclosure. With built in TMD (tunes mass dampers) to work alongside isolation technology ie. springs.
I once owned Sonus Faber Extremas that had the Dynaudio Esotar tweeter that is absolutely incredible. I now have a pair of Merlin VSM speakers that also have this tweeter. They are top of the line tweeters.
I just spent 2 weeks without my Gallo Reference 3.1s (blew a midrange driver in both speakers). Drivers are now replaced with new old stock drivers from a Reference AV center channel. I can’t think of a better tweeter than the CDT tweeter in the 3.1s (and other Gallo speakers). Going from my back-up speakers (ProAc Response 3.8s with Scanspeak soft dome tweeters) back to the Gallos was astonishing. Like going from listening to boxes to listening to real music. Don’t know how else to say it. The image just hangs in mid air, and you can almost feel the mid to high frequencies in your chest and head (like headphones). Which makes no sense since its not a bass heavy speaker at all. Just addictive.
I think Troels mentions the Exotic somewhere on his pages, and says
something to the effect that he found another tweeter for alot less
money, (Not Seas) , that matched the Exotic, thus making the Exotic
not anything special. Cresendo and Exotic both priced the same.
I'd like to know what that is? Not the Morel ST728? I'll have to check out the Cresendo, thanks (thumbs up)
No dynamic tweeter not even an Accuton Diamond tweeter can match the Magneplanar ribbon.
Mozartfan, those specs only tell you how you can use the tweeter. They tell you absolutely nothing about how it sounds and works in a room. The problem with most tweeters is that they spray high end all over the place worsening room interaction. This plays havoc with correct imaging and tends to increase sibilance. The Magneplanar ribbon and ESLs do not do this and even if you boost the treble sibilance is absent. Dipoles do not send any energy to the sides minimizing reflections off of side walls, line sources have the added advantage of not radiating either up or down. Next time you are in the presence of a dipole walk around it and see what happens.
twoch400 posts07-11-2021 12:07pmHow Can you ask a question like that You should get 30 different answers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ True But the Seas T35002 has a 95db sensitivity,, = try to find a tweeter than can beat that. Lots of good tweeters , agree, But we are really after only the best 5 of the hundreds avaliable. I'd place the Seas T35002 at top of the top 5 list. Goes down to 1500hz, and 95db, , NO other tweeter can match these specs. The Cresendo is good, but only goes down to 2khz, and db is 92.5. T35002 is superior tweeter.
Hello, The one thing I found out recently is using the JL Audio CR1 crossover. If your system has Dirac like NAD you can accomplish a similar effect. I like to use separates which gives me the ability to install a crossover like the JL Audio CR1. The thing I was amazed about how the system worked was the sound and level of control. You are adjusting the crossover for the subwoofers as well as the speakers. If you have the JL Audio subwoofers to go with it you will be in audio bliss. Even if you do not have JL Audio subs this is universal. It does XLR and RCA so you are covered on connections. It even has a home theater pass through or bypass function so you can use it with your mixed system without the need to buy more subs. The reason I am bringing this up is because by letting your subs do the heavy lifting which most of us do with the subs you get to properly crossover the main speakers too. Maggie’s usually benefit from a sub or two. Now imagine where those subs crossover. If you set it to 80hz at -24db you will never be able to stop listening to your Maggie’s. In fact you will probably listen to you whole music library again. That would take Michael Fremer 3 life times. By taking the weight off of the front speakers you don’t have the bass over smoothing out the mids and treble. All I can suggest is to try this. I have never been to Axpona in Chicago so I have never listened to speakers costing more than $25,000. I can tell you my speakers that would probably cost $7000 today sound better than any speaker I have heard up to $25,000 by using this crossover. It is an audiophile quality piece so the sound is not degraded. In fact just the opposite it’s unbelievable. If you live in the Chicagoland area this store lets you try before you buy. https://holmaudio.com/ I cannot wait for Axpona 2021 so I can experience some of the best sound in the world. It will also be interesting to hear how good my system is compared to the best systems in the world! See you guys soon.
Synergy is part of what we hear when we’re listening, obviously and memory is unreliable they say so with that out of the way and no particular order. Salon2 tweeter, usher dmd gets another vote, se upgrade meridian comes from Norway, the persona is up there and there’s a really good vifa in the VA Beethoven, my current favorite, drum roll.uniq in the blade. I can only vot for the ones I’ve heard
Troels mentions in brief the Exotic here as **too expesnive** somewhere else he mentions the Audax performs just as well, for alot less. Not sure which Audax he is refering tl, Now ck out the Seas T35002, ~~~~~~~~~~~~95dbsens~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $230 Not sure how i missed that one. Thats super high sens, vs Cresendo’s 92.5 I’d go T35002 over the Cresendo for the added 2.5 sens gain. + $100 less per tweet.
EDIT Looking over the graph/specs I'd have to go T35002 over the Cresendo T35002 goes down to 1500, = better xover pt for midwoofers vs Cresendo's 2khz bottom(but has a bit more extended high) + Cresendo voice coil 26mm vs T35002's 35mm voice coil.
rixthetrick649 posts07-11-2021 8:09amSeas T35 exotic are pretty good value for money.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would be great if we can have someone purchase both the Exotic and the Cresendo for a shootout. Exotic 94db, /old technology Cresendo 92db/new technology My bet is on the Cresendo, I think Troels mentions the Exotic somewhere on his pages, and says something to the effect that he found another tweeter for alot less money, (Not Seas) , that matched the Exotic, thus making the Exotic not anything special. Cresendo and Exotic both priced the same.
It’s ALL about the design and the crossover, using the right tweeter in a given design.
Matching drivers, using their strengths and relying on crossover points to diminish the limitations in a process of matching them together to form a cohesive voicing of a speaker - that’s art!
The tweeters on the Yamaha NS5000 are excellent. The beauty of that speaker is that the midrange and massive woofer are also made from the same material as the tweeter. No one else does that.
Several speakers in Usher's line use their DMD tweeter. Usher puts DMD in the name of such speakers. And their TD-10 and -20 have DMD mid-range as well as tweeter.
All of my designs have made the tweeter sound like the best one. It's ALL about the design and the crossover, using the right tweeter in a given design.
That said, there are dogs, but most soft dome tweeters and decent ceramic tweeters can be tamed into very good performers.
I guess a lot of people have not heard big Mageplanars. The ribbon tweeter in the 20.7 is handily the best tweeter made and I do not expect that to change soon. It does everything right. It is effortlessly smooth and disperses perfectly. As a line source dipole it limits room interaction and will sound great in just about any room you put it in. The only downside is it can be a bit fragile but Magneplanar has an excellent tweeter replacement program. They will have a new tweeter to you in three days. You put the old tweeter in the shipping tube the new one came in, apply the return shipping label they give you and they will refund the core charge when the get it back. The magnet structure is immortal, they just keep rebuilding them.
I used to use a Tannoy super tweeter with my Tannoy Westminster Royals. Even though the st’s frequencies were far beyond my hearing, the st had a significant effect on the lower frequencies. Think the nodal points became more pronounced.
@ htd1 Both my Legacy Focus and Signature III speakers have the same tweeter layout as Dali. Soft dome lower tweeter and ribbon upper tweeter. Blended beautifully. Now Legacy uses dual ribbon tweeters. Not to my liking as much.
I have no doubt there may be better tweeters out there. For now I am thrilled with the sealed ribbon of Raidho's D series speakers, and it far exceeds (IMO) the Esotar II I had previously in a Dyn model.
<<<Don’t know where you get that idea, these are the newest horn loaded ones, but are little colored sounding because, of the horn and don't have a 360 degree radiating pattern https://www.lansche-audio.com/products/plasmatweeter/
Cheers George>>>
Searched a little for web links, but this was late 70's/early 80's and all I can find is in German. I lived in Cologne at this time and actually visited the Magnat factory. Learned there that the main function of the wire mesh sphere was to lower ozone emission by establishing a steeper temperature gradient. But the smell was quite obvious and the claim 'below legal limits' applied to a pretty short listening session (30 min I believe) and a ventilated room. Easy to see how this leads to issues in the real world. Magnat discontinued the tweeter although it earned the brand recognition, even admiration as a serious innovator. The press was simply to negative ("Ozonschleuder", something like "ozone pump"); people didn't want them around their kids anymore, and cases of headache/nausea were reported.
Later, companies like Plasmatronics used Helium to minimize ozone emissions. The Corona design also successfully suppressed ozone. But Magnat never went back.
mozartfan1,101 posts07-08-2021 3:32pm I have no idea,
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THat guy has no idea, But I di, IMHO the world sbest tweeter , hands down 2md to none, Is the Seas Cresendo, Troels pretty much says its the best tweeter he has ever worked with. ~~~~~~~~~~92.5db sens~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Magnepan owners (and others) think very highly of that company’s current ribbon tweeter, used in the MG3.7i, 20.7, and 30.7. The long-discontinued Tympani T-IV and T-IVa also used an earlier incarnation of basically the same driver.
The Townshend Audio Super Tweeter---a pure aluminum genuine ribbon---sounds great (I heard it in use on top---physically and sonically ;-) ---of Magicos), electronics feeding it an ARC Anniversary Reference pre and VTL power amps), as does the NEO3 magnetic-planar tweeter from GR Research.
Way back in the 1970’s the RTR ESL tweeter was used in some of the great loudspeakers of the day (the ESS TranStatic, Infinity Servo-Static and 2000A, Wilson WAMM, and Fulton Model J), and still sounds pretty darn good.
You need to be careful to avoid high frequency fatigue. Fortunately I went back to listen for two hours to a pair of Martin Logan Motion 60’s with ribbon tweeters. To date I have not listened to a better pair of speakers than a pair of SALK Sing3 Encores.
Viawave SRT7 is the best ribbon available so that's what I will be using along with the Purfi 6.5 and revised crossover in the poured granite cabinets I have with externally tuned brass connecting rods all mechanically grounded so resonance exits primarily in one direction, The floor..
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