What exactly is textural density??

I looked into the mirror and it turned away.

Reviews are there to sell...

It is a bit easy to mock "metaphor" about product...

I will not go there, i dont push doors that are already opened... 😁


But speakin of" textural density" CAN and COULD make sense... It is not necessarily a metaphor for selling a product but a way to convey a complex acoustical and musical concept in 2 simple words:


See points 2 and 3 and 4 in particular in this 5 characteristics of " timbre" from wiki :

1. Range between tonal and noiselike character
2. Spectral envelope
3. Time envelope in terms of rise, duration, and decay (ADSR, which stands for "attack, decay, sustain, release")
4. Changes both of spectral envelope (formant-glide) and fundamental frequency (micro-intonation)
5. Prefix, or onset of a sound, quite dissimilar to the ensuing lasting vibration

Figure it by yourself if the reviewer is genuine or not , pro or not, i dont know....I just wanted to defend his choice of words.... Nothing else.....By the way the mathematical modeling of these 5 factors are a precise mathematical acoustic problem, about with i have a book of 700 hundred pages....

Then sometimes using 2 words is more than poetry....But sometimes it is a sales pitch.... Decide yourself....

How can that be so hard to understand

Only 13 paragraphs of explanation - followed by a sales pitch, smooth....

Everything’s a sales pitch. Even our bladder’s push to get us to the washroom is a sales pitch.. A pretty darned convincing one, too.

Eg, that one could be filed under spleen venting, with a side order of sales pitch.

Good analogy @twoleftears. Art Dudley was fond of this kind of phrase as well, and both he and Herb used it in their reviews in Art's 90's mag, Listener. I've always taken textural density to mean a full-bodied sound, akin to color saturation in photography.

You know what a "thin sound" sounds like?

Well, this is the opposite.

Erik
I think it could be heard this way. If you listen to a acoustic guitar being played at 15 feet. Then put your ear up close to the guitar when being played. You will hear a much richer harmonic structure. That is something I really enjoy about my system. I think it is why tube equipment is preferred many times.

"...do you know what da dork means in German?"

Hmmm, even if the "dork" were correct, where would "da" fit in there?

Well Erik, is that a two way mirror, how do I look.. Don’t answer that.. LOL

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dadork121 posts02-01-2021 3:48amOnce again someone is trying to learn something audio from an audio forum and they get slammed by a couple of snobs. Good job.
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dadork, do you know what da dork means in German? The Dick

Choose your words wisely. It’s a VERY derogatory term. I mean if you want to learn, that is.. You are "The Dick" after all, by your own admission..


Regards

Just guessing but...

Does it have anything to do with friction?

DeKay

This thread has turned into much more of a mirror of Audiogoners than I had imagined. 

How can that be so hard to understand

Only 13 paragraphs of explanation - followed by a sales pitch, smooth....

Sounds like mental ‘thickness’ to me...

Wait, is this an introduction to the next thread about semantics and poetry?

"I could explain that in detail but those understandings are hard to come by and represent serious IP value.

I’ll go as far to say that it is definitely there but I’m not obligated to explain it to anyone. Science should be free, IMO and IME, but this is conflated business, in this case..."

A rich harmonic structure to the presented signal.

as in the depth of the harmonics and micro harmonics.

rich meaning not light and peaky, but lots of harmonic and sub harmonic layering of signal. the richness of resonance that real instruments can create and generally not properly presented by reproduction equipment. eg, early digital ,where all cymbal strikes tend to sound more similar than different, which we know is not true in the real world of hearing real cymbals.

we hear mostly via transients, micro transients and the timing between those peaks. Our ears are like positive peak edge sensing diodes, and we combine all these peaks together, in timing differences and levels of intermixing, to form the heard signal in our ear/brain system. How the cilia function re neurological input tied to cilia function.

that we hear only about 10% of the signal, which is all we really need to hear. We make up 100% of our impression interpretation of signal in that approximate 10% heard. so that 10% is required to be exceedingly accurate, otherwise we get huge shifts in what is heard, where we can then differentiate nearly microscopically. 100% of our hearing analysis is in that small 10% of the signal.


This small areas of signal heard, are the parts that are damaged in reproduction via the source points for the the vast majority of distortion in reproduction, in an engineering measurement sense,and in the mechanical or real world inference and integration sense of electricity in high delta as it integrates with various materials on the shape and atomic levels..

Where slew and so on becomes all important. where the micro differentials imparted by the complex LCR of the mechanics and the atomic aspects of the materials involved, all come into play.

eg, magnetically sensitive materials and their phase distortions in how they shape signals in high delta. note the hysteresis like curve of the complex impedance response (as charted) to transient function in cheap resistor materials, like steel end caps. then the molecular level self noise on loading and release of all materials, steel, dielectrics, and so on. The inherent noise considerations of transistors. how the shape of the materials shapes the complex field and current flow response and materials integration.

proper gear with lower distortion in these all critical aspects, will tend to have a non peaky rich and unobscured by distortions in complex harmonic and sub harmonic layering, in the presentation. Not just even ordered harmonics and less odd ordered harmonics but a simple better presentation.

Every peak and micro peak unobscured and placed exactly in shape and timing and level, exactly as close to the orignal aspects of these signal components, as can be.

thus a textural density of signal. Moving in that direction, in what is heard.

How can that be so hard to understand when all of the data points are squarely in the wheel house of published understandings.... of how the ear works .....as compared to signal reproduction in electronics and loudspeaker systems?

All this has been open accepted science and on the record, for what, getting into decades now. Piece it together. It’s all right there.

Btw, most cables screw up in these areas, that is the nature of cable distortions when dealing with complex transient signals in cables, so that is why differences can be heard. it’s all we hear, is the areas where a cable distorts.

the teo audio liquid metal distorts these areas of signal the least, compared to that of ’wire’. I could explain that in detail but those understandings are hard to come by and represent serious IP value.

I’ll go as far to say that it is definitely there but I’m not obligated to explain it to anyone. Science should be free, IMO and IME, but this is conflated business, in this case...

Struggling a bit with the polarity between "enhanced" which could imply a level of exaggeration, compared to "tracking the signal like a race car with fresh, sticky tires" which implies a level of precision and exactness.....so, which is it, exaggerated or exact?

There is a blank space to be filled before submittting for publication and, eventually, getting paid. "It sounded much better than model XY" does not do it.

As far as tires go, maybe it is not the best comparison.

This means nothing.Good luck with that.

Once again someone is trying to learn something audio from an audio forum and they get slammed by a couple of snobs. Good job.

the transducer was tracking the signal like a race car with fresh, sticky tires.

Throwing up rock chips? One thing for sure, Erik is happy- found someone with worse prose.

It is related to textural layers(Timbre) within a musical passage.

Happy Listening!

Well he's the Parnelli Jones of the stereo review world... Now think if he was a sanitation worker of the stereo world.. "Did you see that pile of shi%, smell like shi%, sounds like shi%, it's just a big pile of ..... LOL

Style indeed!! Tap Tap.. The Waltz

Regards

That's Herb Reichert's style of prose! That's what he gets paid for! 

Where is my salad dressing?

It's related to inner harmonic intensity.  If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand.