Goodnight Gertrude,
Goodnight Heathcliff.
Goodnight Heathcliff.
The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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Just throw the whole thing out. Especially if gk goes with it. He can't even get the story about me right. Pull the plug! Yes this thread is just a seething cesspit of "snake oil" BS, just to make money from the technically gullible. I agree just pull the plug on it it's just a weed. Trouble is you can guarantee a new weed thread will will start "The new Synergistic Research Green" fuses or something like it, you can take that to the bank, as the stupid high profit margins will not let this baby die ever it's malignant. Cheers George |
Those of you who have not tried the SR Fuse line but insist you don’t have to, for you already know they cannot improve a system’s sound quality, are trying to sell us your authority over our conclusions based on our experience with the SR fuses. We aren’t buying your appeal to authority--I have no idea what authority you have, i.e., what is your idea of high fidelity sound? How do I know you are hearing the clarity I am hearing? What have you done to your system to eliminate noise and distortion--just what IS your system? Why are you a more careful listener than I? Prove it to me. You insist on proof of how these better fuses work, and if someone cannot provide theoretic proof, then they cannot work as we claim. This is an empty demand, Prof---prove something to US, for we have heard the proof--you have not. George, sprinkle some snake oil on your nothing burger. Wolf, prove to us that you really did try the SR Blacks. You refuse to believe anyone’s experience, yet you expect us to believe YOU? Prove it! I’ll take my listening and system-set-up experience as proof every time over you nattering nabobs of negativism and bloviated blather. So THERE---HA! |
🐩 mapman This thread is mostly the same handful of guys saying the same thing over and over. Just throw the whole thing out. Especially if gk goes with it. He can’t even get the story about me right. Pull the plug! Maybe that because your story is from a galaxy far far away, Poodleman. 🐩 A story best forgotten. Poodleman, the fuse warrior that time forgot. 😳 |
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Mapman I agree entirely and on both "sides". Probably would be the kindest cut to put the thread to sleep to end its suffering. It has degenerated to a point where nobody is ever going to truly listen to anybody else at all. Just a rehash of the same barbs and retorts over and over. And same multiple deleted posts. |
It’s refreshing to wake up after a good night’s sleep and see the same flies in the ointment. What Ted Denny said: NO OBJECTIVE CRITERIA OR TEST THAT EXISTS TODAY THAT CONCLUSIVELY PROVES ANY PRODUCT TO BE BETTER THAN ANY OTHER.is not a repudiation of his product and even the ones with half a brain here know that, yet they immediately jump on it as such. It’s like after having your head buried in the sand for so long, they stand up, bend over backwards, and reinsert their heads in the sand, proclaiming, "I now have a new point to argue with." Geoff has been saying, in a different way, that there’s no way to validate a A/B/X test as there’s too many variables inherent in the test (which is another way to state Ted Denny's statement) and like I’ve always said, it’s a parlor trick. And something has to be said about false equivalency. One side is trolling as best they can while the other can only point to the obvious remedy: try the fuse for yourself. It appeares to be just a tactic to get the thread shut down. And one more thing: there’s nothing in the book that states that a fuse can not effect the sound of one’s system. There’s nothing in "electronic engineering" (as one here loves to say) that says the same. There are no "engineering laws" that say that either. It’s merely the understanding of those with an appreciation and understanding of those rules and laws who surmise, for themselves, that it can not be. They’re just guessing. No body has ever bothered to consider it before someone discovered that a fuse can be of benefit. There’s no way in hell that something which is a part of design can not impart a sonic signature of it’s own, since the design can not work without it’s presence. It’s function is small but that doesn’t mean it’s sonic impact isn’t. Just because no one thought enough to give due consideration to something for a long time doesn’t mean that it’s some kind of electronic engineering law. All the best, Nonoise |
It's fascinating how simply voicing some skepticism about an audio tweak brings out the most emotional, irrational responses in some audiophiles. "jafreeman" has just posted a screed that has been so typical of these conversations. (Certainly not everyone who disagrees with me and other skeptics about fuses has been so off-kilter, but jafreeman-style posts have certainly tend to come up quite a bit in these type of conversations). No matter how many times I explicitly state "I'm not claiming fuses don't make a sonic difference or that people are not hearing a difference" some more "subjectively inclined" can't seem to read this with any intent to understand, and instead replace it in with "He's saying THERE CAN BE NO DIFFERENCE and that I HAVE TO BE DELUDED!" What is it with this absolute addiction to strawman rather than actually trying to understand what someone is saying who...gasp!...just might not share your own confident conviction of the TRUTH that your experience has revealed? |
🐩 mapman geoffkait “The fuse warrior that time forgot." That title is all yours yapdogkait despite the fact you don’t even use fuses yet can run your mouth forever about the choice ones. Did you get freebie fuses as well to rave about but not use? >>>>>yapdogkait?! Whoa! That’s not very original. The dog thing is already taken, Poodleman. I might have gotten freebie fuses. Why not? I qualify for industry comps. Only my hairdresser knows for sure. Do I win a prize if I tell you? |
Another thing to consider is the fact that no reasonable explanation has ever been proffered up as to exactly why the fuses were designed to deal with an issue which likely never existed. Fuses are limited in their design by the fact that they must contain a small wire that will melt on cue to be effective…special end caps might help the basic connection in the fuse holder, the wire could have some proprietary component, something, anything, but are they designed to be tone altering devices? Why or how they work remains a mystery, and I'm pretty sure they're simply designed and promoted to generate money garnered from gullible fans hoping that they too can enjoy the magic tone improvements available from something so small, albeit with Quantum Tunneling involved. The overwhelming support from sincere believers, "Marge, come quick, the cellos are cleaner!", illustrates the fact that people simply need validation from others so they don't feel like knuckleheads from spending 150 bucks on a 2 dollar fuse. Enter hyperbole, the salesman's best friend. |
Wolf Surely fuses run in the same area as caps and resistors and cables and plugs etc. Whoever first thought of swapping those out as they also were obviously doing an adequate job? Did they expect a sonic change when they did so? It is in the nature of the human race to tinker and experiment without always having a rationale or expectation to base said tinkering on. I just do not see how fuses fall into any different regards than any other change from a manufacturer standard issued product. I do not expect everybody to hear a change, way to many system variables, room variables and finally human variables for it to be consistently repeatable. But all you can use is results as a guide as to what you might expect from said tweak. After all if say even 80% report a positive change then its a guide to indicate you may as well. That is all anybody can ask from any review of any product really. |
Prof, hidden within your pseudo intellectual eloquence, your views are clear: You are a skeptic; you have no respect for empirical reports of better sound using SR fuses; you demand scientific method as proof of SR fuse efficacy. Since you have not tried SR fuses, you have no real position to promote or defend regarding the topic of this thread. |
Bingo! That’s the definition of a pseudo skeptic. The next best thing to the real thing. Pseudo skeptics are always trying to prove that they’re not gullible, that they cannot be hornswoggled. They’re also called Barcalounger Skeptics. A real skeptic is actually curious and will go to great lengths to get to the bottom of things. |
you have no respect for empirical reports of better sound using SR fuses Why should anyone? GK and Nonoise themselves have already pointed out how unreliable listening is. Too many variables! Almarg has pointed out the many variables thing repeatedly as well. The only thing anyone can count on is the desire here to get others to buy the fuses. |
The only thing anyone can count on is the desire here to get others to buy the fuses.Silly on it’s face. If your take on what I said was that listening is unreliable, then you’re just having a great time trolling. Try adding some emojis at the end of such a statement, to give it relevance. 🤪 All the best, Nonoise |
mapman you have no respect for empirical reports of better sound using SR fuses Why should anyone? GK and Nonoise themselves have already pointed out how unreliable listening is. Too many variables! Almarg has pointed out the many variables thing repeatedly as well. The only thing anyone can count on is the desire here to get others to buy the fuses. >>>>Actually, you’ve misconstrued what I said. What I said was that negative results of listening tests dont mean the DUT failed. Since too many things can go wrong. That’s completely different from saying listening is unreliable. In fact, if anyone’s hearing is unreliable or in question it’s yours! Hel-loo! See the irony? 😄 Nothing succeeds like success. |
I’m going to help you out, Moops. The irony is that it’s your hearing that’s unreliable, not anyone else’s. All the other 20,000 heard it. It’s not their hearing that’s unreliable. You’re practically the only one anyone’s ever heard of who couldn’t hear it. It’s your hearing that’s unreliable. Hel-loo! You’re welcome in advance. |
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They also fall under a very specific personality type with their own specific dominate fear. While the engineer’s specific dominate fear is the fear of criticism, the personality type you described above, Geoff, fears above all else, being taken advantage of. Makes perfect sense, no? Frank |
Prof, skepticism has its place, but if you read the OP's introduction to this thread, he defines his audience as those who are trying the SR Blue fuses. He asks them to post their findings, he does not require a burden of proof. He also asks the doubters and downers to refrain. This is simply a matter of academic discipline: You have not tried the SR Blue and are therefore disqualified from commenting, as are George, Wolf, Mapman et al. Scholarly etiquette invites you to leave and start a skeptic's thread on the downfall of the gullible tweakophile. |
You can't "define your audience" on a public forum and/or "disqualify" anybody from commenting simply because you want to. That's (obviously) not how it works. Actual scholarly etiquette (if that's an actual thing) would seem to welcome all comments. I think it's interesting that people think they hear things from inexplicable magic fuses and are willing to pay 150 bucks for them, and I'll comment all I want. |
jafreeman, Excellent point! Most forum members understand common courtesy & decency and will take the OPs requests into consideration before posting. Unfortunately, some think the fact that it is an open public forum makes throwing courtesy & decency out the window perfectly acceptable. It's not just “Forum rules allow me to post on any thread I want!”, it's asking yourself “Should I post on this particular thread?” |
wolf Not sure if I upset you someway in an earlier life but I have noticed at least 3 or 4 times on this thread I have made what I consider to be a rational detailed response to some of your posts and yet you just blithely ignore them . And that is fine if it is deemed personal for some reason or if you think my direct relies to you are not even worth considering. Just curious you could say |
jafreeman Prof, skepticism has its place, but if you read the OP's introduction to this thread, he defines his audience as those who are trying the SR Blue fuses. He asks them to post their findings, he does not require a burden of proof. He also asks the doubters and downers to refrain. This is simply a matter of academic discipline: You have not tried the SR Blue and are therefore disqualified from commenting, as are George, Wolf, Mapman et al. Scholarly etiquette invites you to leave and start a skeptic's thread on the downfall of the gullible tweakophile. >>>>Well, somebody tried the SR fuse and failed. Was it Wolfman? Mapman? Both of them? I assume they feel obligued to say they’re right and everyone else, all 20,000 of them, must be wrong. |
🐑 wolf_garcia “Another thing to consider is the fact that no reasonable explanation has ever been proffered up as to exactly why the fuses were designed to deal with an issue which likely never existed. Fuses are limited in their design by the fact that they must contain a small wire that will melt on cue to be effective…special end caps might help the basic connection in the fuse holder, the wire could have some proprietary component, something, anything, but are they designed to be tone altering devices? Why or how they work remains a mystery, and I'm pretty sure they're simply designed and promoted to generate money garnered from gullible fans hoping that they too can enjoy the magic tone improvements available from something so small, albeit with Quantum Tunneling involved. The overwhelming support from sincere believers, "Marge, come quick, the cellos are cleaner!", illustrates the fact that people simply need validation from others so they don't feel like knuckleheads from spending 150 bucks on a 2 dollar fuse. Enter hyperbole, the salesman's best friend.” Whatever. |
"You can’t "define your audience" on a public forum and/or "disqualify" anybody from commenting simply because you want to. That’s (obviously) not how it works. Actual scholarly etiquette (if that’s an actual thing) would seem to welcome all comments." Wolf Garcia For the Prof, or any scholar, the OP’s introduction to his thread, although informal, is his abstract and his thesis statement. He summarizes his findings, defines his audience and narrows the scope of his topic to inform the reader what to expect. The OP went to some length there so others would not waste their time or be drawn into the subject without a clear benefit to their academic interests. I am taking a harder line with the Prof, who would understand the discipline of appropriate response. The rest of you ridiculing doubters seek to close down this thread by citing the eventual degradation of discourse, made by YOU, as good reason to shut it down. You ARE the straw men. Now, let’s lighten up and get over ourselves. |
🐩 mapman Don’t worry Mitch he’ll be yapping about directionality of things that only he understands and nobody cares about again in no time. It’s his imaginary great contribution to the mystery world of high end audio. >>>I keep telling you, the dog reference is already taken, Poodleman. Woof, woof! Speaking of irony, all this discussion about wire directionality on multiple threads for like forever and you STILL don’t even know what directionality is. Some people are unable to learn new things, no biggie. It’s no skin off my nose. Maybe you just don’t want to admit you’re wrong in front of all the other pseudo skeptics, who knows? Remember you have two ears and one mouth for a reason. also, remember you’re practically the only one in the world who cannot hear a fuse. Have you tried candling your ears? Is the whole world crazy except for you? 😬 |
Directionality is a big word for a yapdog gk. Congratulations. Do you know any others? That act is very stale. Also not very good to start even. Can you say One Trick Pony? How about nobody cares? You need a new act bad. Boring! More like a parrot than a yapdog even. When you figure out the right direction how about going there and no need to reverse and come back. Learn a new trick maybe then we can talk. |
Uberwaltz (is that an existential dancing pun?)...I noticed a post you made that I may have initially missed, so I'll respond to it now. All components do not "fall into the same category" as you claim as, for example, fuses are not intended to "do" anything but allow current to run through them and then, if necessary, melt...or not melt. Any tonal impact on components upstream is severly compromised by the tiny wire used to make these things work, and you simply can't hyperbole your way around that. Try as people may....Cables, caps, resistors, transformers, internal wiring, component feet, etc., all generally have clearly stated design goals (Magic Fuses, regardless of how many times you might ask why they work, apparantly do not have design goals, other than as business income generators), and attention is paid by designers and engineers to their individual or cumulative properties of resistance, capacitance, mojo, appearance, smell, and tonal impact on any piece of gear they're stuck in. Fuses, not so much. In fact, not at all. They're fuses...and if people pay 75 times the cost of something for which a 2 dollar version performs exactly as it should in countless well designed products, I say a successful, albeit ethically questionable, feat of salesmanship has utterly succeeded. Congratulations to all who continue to passionately participate in celebrating the Oil of the Snake, and to those who haven't bought into this nonsense, congratulations to you too. |
wolf_garcia Uberwaltz (is that an existential dancing pun?)...I noticed a post you made that I may have initially missed, so I’ll respond to it now. All components do not "fall into the same category" as you claim as, for example, fuses are not intended to "do" anything but allow current to run through them and then, if necessary, melt...or not melt. Any tonal impact on components upstream is severly compromised by the tiny wire used to make these things work, and you simply can’t hyperbole your way around that. Try as people may....Cables, caps, resistors, transformers, internal wiring, component feet, etc., all generally have clearly stated design goals (Magic Fuses, regardless of how many times you might ask why they work, apparantly do not have design goals, other than as business income generators), and attention is paid by designers and engineers to their individual or cumulative properties of resistance, capacitance, mojo, appearance, smell, and tonal impact on any piece of gear they’re stuck in. Fuses, not so much. In fact, not at all. They’re fuses...and if people pay 75 times the cost of something for which a 2 dollar version performs exactly as it should in countless well designed products, I say a successful, albeit ethically questionable, feat of salesmanship has utterly succeeded. Congratulations to all who continue to passionately participate in celebrating the Oil of the Snake, and to those who haven’t bought into this nonsense, congratulations to you too. >>>>File under Whatever. |
Wolf Glad you are not totally ignoring me..lol However you did miss the majority my point I believe What I meant was why on earth did the first person decide to modify caps or power cords when they were doing the job they were designed to do obviously quite successfully? That is what I meant, fuses are just another item in a long line of "what happens if?" People are people and will meddle, does not matter in the slightest just what said item was designed "only" to do at all. BTW you can debate the origin/meaning of my "handle" all you like, my skin is very thick...... |