I’m curious about this product from Perfect Path Technologies and would like to hear from those that have experience with it. I’ve bought and used the Total Contact enhancer and like what it does for my system so I’m interested in hearing how this Omega E mat performs.
I have been told that you have over 20 of the Omega mats. That’s $12,000 in Omega Mats! Do you have a financial arrangement with Tim since you have so many? Also, I notice that you are using Audio Research equipment, with all those tubes perhaps they are generating RF/EMI and that’s why you have so many?
The one mat that I have is good, I can't imagine how much better 20 of them would be.
We are all happy for you that, as you keep telling us ad nauseam, you have found equipment that was designed and built to account for every conceivable factor that could negatively impact sound quality, and therefore cannot possibly benefit from any tweaks.
The rest of us have had trouble finding these mythical components, and surely couldn’t afford them, even if we did. Please give it a rest.
You seem to have so many challenges with your setup - slowing and smearing of sound etc. At what point do you call it a day and start replacing the main components that make up your system? After all, six E-Mats, contact paste, Bryston Isolation transformers and fuses etc. is running quickly into many thousands of dollars?
At what point do you say something like,”I am frustrated that even with countless thousands spent on band-aids, the basic system still needs improvement. Something just isn’t right with my main components, as no high end high fidelity components should be so incredibly finicky. Fidelity means accuracy or faithfulness to the recording and I just can’t get there without a ridiculous number of never-ending band-aids. Worse, my system is so tricky that it has taken no less than 6 E-Mats to achieve the improvement I currently enjoy and I probably still have not done enough!”
You are correct. The six E-Mats make a bigger improvement in the sound than adding my Bryston BIT-20 isolation transformer. which was a subtle improvement after I replaced the stock A/C cord (slowed and smeared the sound). I do not plug my big tube amps into it and it can't handle the power draw and ruins the amp sound.
Just dropped in to see what condition my condition is in.
The E Mat is an easily portable and near malleable power conditioner that will make I think any audio system sound more enjoyable. The fact that it can even make a power conditioner sound better makes me want to say who needs a power conditioner.. except perhaps as a connecting block for all the a/c cords. Maybe better off with a quality empty box milled and drilled for your favorite duplex and then mechanically direct coupled to the Mother of all grounds. When the credit card E Mat shows its face maybe stacked multiples ...could be placed inside to condition what condition your condition is in..Tom
Frank was fortunate to hear in person the group know as the Lighthouse All-Stars at the Hermosa Beach club in the 1950s. His system reproduces the excitement of hearing those musicians in his living room.
oregonpapa ”....it was like a veil was lifted as the noise floor lowered dramatically. I could "see" into the sound picture more clearly than before. It was way more three dimensional in nature.
With the installation of the Omega E Mats, there was a lot more there there than with just the TC alone. Now, I have a reach-out-and- touch-it type of thing going on. The sound space and the musicians within it are super clear and detailed without any negatives at all. I was listening to a "Poll Winners" CD last night with Shelly Mann on drums. I swear to you that drum set was in the room. The whack of the rim shots - amazing. The rattle of the snare drum - amazing. The brassiness of the cymbals - real.”
>>>>>Corny 🌽 as Kansas in August. Normal as blueberry pie.
@oregonpapa , are you talking about the room treatments? I am also under the impression that one e mat has improved my system as much and probably more then the tc. I still have yet to paint tc on my tube pins but I think as soon as I get three weeks on my e mat I will bite the bullet and paint those tubes. I was worried about frying my tube pre but I think I can trust that the tc will not do that now. What I am hearing after 11 days of my e mat being under my power conditioner is amazing. The soundstage and natural presentation of the music has never been better. Also as I have pointed out before the bass and upper frequency details of music are also at a high point. Very happy at this point and hoping that the mat improves after the 2 week period as some others have said.
".... we are suddenly living in very exciting times."
Are we ever! If someone told me two years ago that I'd have an audio system that sounds like it does now, I wouldn't have believed it. The improvements over the past two years or so are all based on tweaks. I thought the SR fuses and the Herbie's tube dampeners were the best thing since sliced bread ... until Tim Mrock came up with TC and the Omega E Mats.
What Tim has provided us is not only the best thing since sliced bread, its the cat's meow. (a little humor for the old guys). And Tim says he has something in development that will bring everything together. I can't imagine things getting better, but Tim assures me that I haven't heard anything yet. :-)
I'm sorry to say that the TC did not do as much and certainly not as quickly. @fleschler
Yes, the Omega E mat alone is felt by many, including me, to exceed both the SR Blues and TC combined, but I would not want to be without any one of them, as they are all signal enhancers and are more than additive--I would say "multipliers" in combination.
We've been going over the usual enhancements of room acoustics, clean and plentiful power supplies, vibration damping, etc for years, and the above signal enhancers have come along in such a short time, they are something of a period of Enlightenment in audio.
Another E mat is on its way to me now---we are suddenly living in very exciting times. As for improved sound attributes, Geoff, I just keep repeating "increased clarity", but along with that come the usual descriptors of better depth and width, more engaging, sweeter, smoother, more alive--it's all true.
At the eight week point of having the TC on all connections, it was like a veil was lifted as the noise floor lowered dramatically. I could "see" into the sound picture more clearly than before. It was way more three dimensional in nature.
With the installation of the Omega E Mats, there was a lot more there there than with just the TC alone. Now, I have a reach-out-and- touch-it type of thing going on. The sound space and the musicians within it are super clear and detailed without any negatives at all. I was listening to a "Poll Winners" CD last night with Shelly Mann on drums. I swear to you that drum set was in the room. The whack of the rim shots - amazing. The rattle of the snare drum - amazing. The brassiness of the cymbals - real.
These two products combined have brought a transparency to my system like I used to get with planer speakers. The system reminds me of when I had the Acoustat Fours ... except now I have all of that transparency plus better bass and better highs.
Speaking about bass ... that's one of the best parts. The system now gets an acoustic stand-up bass in the most natural, organic way. Again ... amazing.
“Dynamic and lifelike” are not really what I was hoping for. I’m not looking for reasons why your system sounds like it does but detailed descriptions of the sound, especially what you can attribute to the new products. Never mind.
Geoff - I have already providing specific reasons why my audio system sounds great in previous posts. I was just reiterating that fact. It sounds about 50% as dynamic and lifelike as the best system I've ever heard which I've mentioned on these boards was the $1.4 million Von Schweikert Ultra 11/VAC/Kronos system. The E-Mats brought me a lot closer to that system in so many ways. I'm sorry to say that the TC did not do as much and certainly not as quickly. I haven't tried the E-Mats on my speakers or under my amps yet. Apparently, the more you use, the better the results.
It’s two weeks today since I put Omega Mats on top of my speakers. The richness, fullness and emotional impact of the music I’m listening to this morning is rather overwhelming. Isn’t that what this hobby is really all about?
When the response to a product is overwhelmingly positive, the simplest, most obvious, explanation is that it is an exceptionally good product. In my experience, that is the case with the Omega Mat. The only way to know for sure is to try it yourself, in your own system.
You know, after this expression is used more than 10,000 times it kind of loses its impact. But seriously, I’m curious why customers seem to have such a hard time expressing what the sonic changes are that these products bring to the table. Cat 🐱 got your tongues 👅?
Tommylion, I'm the one who heard additional improvement after three weeks in one place. Frank has installed and removed up to 18+ E-mats and used more TC in his system which is why I wonder if anyone else has had my experience. I don't care to remove them to find out. My audio system sounds great and my TVs have richer color with more dimension (75" Sony 940D).
So you've heard additional improvement with the mat after three weeks in one place? That's good to know. If someone gets a mat to evaluate under the 30 day return policy, I would recommend picking a spot for it right away, and leaving it there undisturbed for at least two weeks. After two weeks in a well chosen place, it should be pretty clear whether it’s a keeper or not 😉
The improvement over time with both the Omega E Mats and the Total Contact is quite remarkable. Don't be impatient with these products. The TC won't sound its best until the eight-week mark. The Omega E Mats come into their own at around three weeks. Leave the E Mats under the components and let them do their thing. The improvement in SQ when it all comes together is astounding.
Correction on my installation dates of the Omega E Mats in my systems. The Matt paced at the circuit breaker sub panel and also the one on the Pass Lab INT -60 amp were installed July 10. The Mat placed on top of the Oppo 203 DVD player was installed July 18.
The quality of the Audio and the Video with the Oppo took a big step up on day 12.
Today I ordered additional mats to install on the dedicated headphone system and to place a Mat on the whole house Circuit breaker panel.
It's time we stop this bickering and get back to the subject of opinions and comments related to using this mat.
I normally don't take sides but I do understand most points of your reactions. First I would like to say Tim is a wonderful guy if you ever spoke to him. He's very passionate concerning his products as most of us would be also. He's helped me understand their uses and made recommendations that improved my system greatly He's just a phone call or email away and more than glad to help.
Looking from his perspective, there have been many negative comments from non users for both of his products since the beginning of these threads. Maybe he over reacted but we are only human.
Let's start anew and get back to consulting each other to better our hobby.
I know it can be tough for impatient audiophiles like me, but if you leave the mat on your DAC for two weeks, I believe you will fully experience & understand what I, and others, have been talking about. I’m not saying it takes two weeks to hear ANY improvement (as you know), but it gets substantially better over that time (From fleschler’s comments, maybe even beyond?).
“The issue here is that this forum is open to all comments, be they gushingly positive, neutral or not positive. An advertiser using this forum as a sole distribution point does not want perceived negative comments out to be seen in the open. You either restrict the comments and free speech to only positive of a product or allow all sides comment.
(I am not insinuating anything of the product that this thread represents, just the ability to comment sensibly on whatever the subject is)”
amg56,
No one is banning or deleting, negative comments about the mat from you, or anyone else. You, or anyone else, have the freedom to post what you want (within forum rules) on this thread. The flip side is that others can excercise that same freedom and respond to your post. You seem to want to have your freedom to post, but restrict the freedom of others to respond.
Update: The E-Matt has been on my Dac as stated in my comment here dated 07-29-2018 9:28 am. This morning I'm hearing an improvement in vocals, more shimmer, shine, and harmonizing almost like another dimension was added. I don't know why but I like what I'm hearing. I agree the breaker pannels would be a good place to try the E-Mat.
For the same reason as you? Current customer and potential new one on the card size. Plus active Aphile enjoying these threads much like you though not quite as active as you.
Bill Very nicely said but after reading these posts I see no reason or need for YOU to apologise at all. I am not retired but also in the boat of not being able to blow $600 x 5 or 6 like some have here on a tweak no matter how good the claimed results. I would still be interested in trying a number of the smaller mats when they become available.
Tim, when I said I would not buy a $600 mat because of the cost it is not a knock on your product. It is based on the fact that I have just retired and no longer have the income stream to do so. I cannot afford the potential sound improvement of this product (full sized mat). It just won’t happen based on financial needs and priorities. I ask if you are looking for offense? If one is looking for offense they are certainly going to find it. However, if we look for what is good and right we will see and find that. I am talking about our filters and perspective on life, others and relationships. I understand your filter may be tilted due to perceived offenses by others here, but I am not your enemy.
I hope we can can find peace moving forward as I truly believe we have much in common and there is no real offense taking place here on either end. I choose to believe that and this is far more important to me than any product. If I have acted in a negative way towards you or hurt you in any way, then I apologize. I am not perfect and certainly may be blind to times when I hurt others unintentionally.
"he’s a disgruntled customer who has been gunning for the manufacturer"
What are the posts where you concluded jaded Ozzy’s evaluation of this product? I along with I feel many others believe Ozzy conducts himself in this forum within a very high level of integrity, and based his review on his real findings and feelings. He also requested to hold on to the mat a little longer to test for additional gains that could develop.
>>>>Search the archives. I don’t have the time or inclination to do it for you.
Is it possible that you might be sensitive from too many conflicts over products you tried to market?
>>>>I’m not the sensitive type. I’m just going by what Ozzy posted time and time again about the TC product, the first batch of which he beta tested. I’m no. 1 here on Agon on sales and feedback so I wouldn’t be so quick to disparrage my products if I were you.
@tommylion I read your post with the uppercase quote in it. Its an interesting position to be in, "...IF YOU RE NOT TOTALLY HAPPY WITH THE PERFORMANCE..."
How do you measure "totally happy with the performance"? Against what? You only hear tweak improvements for a short time until you get used to it, then it becomes part of the norm. It becomes a case of chasing the impossible if whatever improvements you hear become part of the background.
p.s. I do not use any product of this manufacturer, not by choice, but by physical location, no local history of the product being used here and how local's perceive their benefits, and I don't think my system would benefit from and of the products until I have all the upgrades in place.
The issue here is that this forum is open to all comments, be they gushingly positive, neutral or not positive. An advertiser using this forum as a sole distribution point does not want perceived negative comments out to be seen in the open. You either restrict the comments and free speech to only positive of a product or allow all sides comment.
(I am not insinuating anything of the product that this thread represents, just the ability to comment sensibly on whatever the subject is)
My suggestion to Tim is... Build your own website! Add a forum to it. Not only that, but have pictures, videos and instructions on how to use your innovative products effectively.
“No, Tim just wants those who aren’t gushing about his product to pm him instead of posting anything he doesn’t approve of. You know, that thing he said in all caps right under his snarky answer to @jetter....”
“TO ALL THE CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE PURCHASED E MATS IF YOU ARE NOT TOTALLY HAPPY WITH THE PERFORMANCE PLEASE CALL OR EMAIL ME.”
Wow, he’s asking customers to contact him so that he can provide customer service. You know, answer questions, offer tips on how to use the product most effectively etc. Maybe even refund their money.
"he's a disgruntled customer who has been gunning for the manufacturer"
What are the posts where you concluded jaded Ozzy's evaluation of this product? I along with I feel many others believe Ozzy conducts himself in this forum within a very high level of integrity, and based his review on his real findings and feelings. He also requested to hold on to the mat a little longer to test for additional gains that could develop.
Is it possible that you might be sensitive from too many conflicts over products you tried to market?
No, Tim just wants those who aren’t gushing about his product to pm him instead of posting anything he doesn’t approve of. You know, that thing he said in all caps right under his snarky answer to @jetter....
“It is a shame that this sort of "product" thread accepts any opinion that is of gushing gratitudeonly. If an individual states a less than the expected experience, or asks the wrong question, that person is singled out (by many, no, make that nearly all), and vilified on this supposed open forum.
You can say what you like, as long as it conforms with the positive and glowing comments expected.
You call this "freedom of the press"? Only on your terms...”
Makes it sound like Tim has hired a bunch of thugs to beat up anyone who dares to say anything he doesn’t approve of.
@oregonpapa- Hi, Frank! Hope you are in good health and I’m glad you are enjoying your music more than ever. Frank, I understand where you’re coming from, but that is still is no excuse for Tim’s responses on these threads. Latest case in point: you’ve read @grannyring for years. One of the nicest, polite, knowledgeable members on Audiogon, and who incidentally has said very positive things about TC. Yet Tim, for no logical reason, just accused him of having some hidden agenda against him, simply for pointing out the observations of other members. Frankly, Frank, (always wanted to write that!) if he is too thin skinned and reactionary to every perceived slight on these threads and forum, he shouldn’t be using them as his sole advertising/sales venue.
@tommylion- No one is questioning Tim’s right to post here. No one is moaning and complaining like Tim has absolute power on who posts here (although, given what he just wrote in all caps, he's trying to). Our posts are still here because they are within the guidelines of this forum. Anything else?
If this thread were really one big advertisement, do you think posts like yours would be here?
Tim is allowed to post what he wants here, within the boundaries of forum rules (I believe there are some extra ones because he is a manufacturer?), and you are allowed to post what you want in response. Again, within the boundaries of forum rules.
Seems to me like things are working the way they’re supposed to.
At the risk of asking a question to which I do not know the answer... does Mr. Mrock advertise his products elsewhere? I think this thread can seem to some as an "advertisement blog" and hence the upset over negatives toward the product.
The problem with this particular instance of reporting less than stellar performance is that he’s a disgruntled customer who has been gunning for the manufacturer for at least a year. Hel-loo!
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