Burmester 218.....

generalizing is always tricky... Like 
"Canadians are polite" 

acman3

Yes he can enjoy wasting money when the the SIM audio 861 is better too bad for him He's got more money than brains I guess lol.

devinplombier,

Who cares what it looks like It's what it sounds like and A few comments on the forums on here have been that the Burmester is not very musical and I agree, It's very technical sounding and it doesn't have the musicality of the Sim audio 861.

ckr1969,

so I assume you live in the United States so are you going to come to Canada to the dealer that I took my 861 too and compared it to your overpriced German amps lol

@zuesman , I just now returned from the airport after several days of touring Canada and going from dealer to dealer comparing Burmester amps to all the Sim 861s I could find and I must say that the Burmesters were the clear winner.

Zuesman,

Give it a rest already...

immathewj,

well I've looked at all the dealers that sell Burmester in Canada and not one of them sells Simaudio, so how are you able to compare the 861 at every dealer in Canada please give me a break You're pretty stupid to think that I would believe that. lol

immathewj,

You're so full of crap your eyes are brown, not one Burmester dealer in Canada sells SIM audio so how could you compare them at every dealer in Canada lol, The only way to compare them is to be able to listen to them side by side, obviously you couldn't do that because none of those dealers have Simaudio, man you must think I'm pretty stupid.LOL!!!

@zuesman according to Burmester website there is 1 dealer in Canada, you mention all the dealers, hmmmm

keeping digging

well I've looked at all the dealers that sell Burmester in Canada and not one of them sells Simaudio, so how are you able to compare the 861 at every dealer in Canada please give me a break You're pretty stupid to think that I would believe that. lol

I must have neglected to mention that I brought a couple of them with me.

Canada is a lovely country though. Especially Québec. VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE !!!

Canada is a lovely country though. Especially Québec. VIVE LE QUÉBEC LIBRE !!!

Yes it is, and now that the Canadian dealers have heard the Burmester, I am sure that they will start dropping the SIMs to make more room to carry the superior Burmesters in their beautiful country.  

I had a chance to hear the Burmesters in AZ last year.  I am a BIG fan of Rowland and in my opinion, Burmester was the only amp in that league if you have hard to drive loads.   The only reason I did not purchase is repair is reasonable and easy at Rowland, and I was afraid  of an overseas company if repairs were ever required.  I would definitely rate it above the flavor of the day d'agostino, Krells and Boulders.

Reading this thread my only conclusion is that Zuesman is a tool or stool who probably works for SimAudio. I have never heard Burmester but have never heard a SimAudio that sufficed

@plaw what Jeff rowland do you use, ive always been a fan of his

This thread would be comical if it weren’t so sad….

@immatthewj ,

Pretty silly of you to try to fool @zuesman .

As intricate and well thought out as it was, he nonetheless saw through your clever ruse...

You’re dealing with unmitigated genius!

@ckr1969 I have had a few of them.   I got the opportunity to meet Jeff Rowland - just a fantastic guy - he seems to put everything into the gear instead of advertising.   I started with the model 7's - a breath of fresh air when trying to drive Wilsons.    I have had the 625s2 - black as black and a great soundstage, but did not drive the mid bass as well as the 7's.  I now run the model 8, great resolution, and almost as good bass as the 7's.  If something ever happened to Rowland, I think I would buy the Burmester - only thing that I have heard that does not sound veiled.  Early on I never thought that an amp can make such a difference - today I think it is almost as important as the speakers.   You know, this is all subjective anyway.   I do run the Classe Sigma Amps in home theater - great amps for the right speaker, but they cannot drive low ohm loads.

thecarpathian,

thanks for the vote of confidence, the Burmester website only lists one in Vancouver but there's actually two I don't know if both of them are licensed dealers but nevertheless both of them have Burmester product.

acmaier3,

sorry but I don't work for SIM audio I just say what I heard when I compared both if you don't like it tough luck for you, don't care if you believe it either like everyone knows everyone's ears are different right? so I'm entitled to my opinion, and did I ever say that Burmeister was crap actually I said it was very very good if you look at my threads that I wrote but it wasn't as good as the 861 especially way in the background details I can hear things from the 861 that I wasn't hearing with the Burmester, so if you can't accept that go read another thread lol

acmaier3,

Obviously then you have never heard a w8, an 870, 868 V2 or the 888's or read any of the reviews on all of them, when two $50,000 each amplifiers start buzzing and the reviewer says they still sounded great everyone knows that reviewer was full of sh t, he obviously has lost all credibility, he should have stopped the review said he was sending these two amps back and getting two others to review and see if the same thing would have happened, everyone that's read the review has agreed that that's what should have happened.

stable genius indeed!

@immatthewj you humorless troll!

(I love it )

PS: I am opening a Simaudio dealership on this bridge

the walls will be built from Burmester 911s....

After I visited those Sim dealers up in The Great White North and did the A/B comparisons, they (the Sim dealers) were saying, "Give me Burmester or give me death!"  I expect to see a lot of Sim gear going out of a lot of dealer's doors at bargain basement prices.

plaw,

I guess you haven't heard the SIM audio 861 or their other evolution amps there's nothing veiled about any of their amps, in fact they are world-class if you read any of the reviews on any of them. The 861 will leave the Burmester 218 in the dust The burmaster only has 165 watts lol The Sim 861 has 300 watts, The bass control is much better with the 861 and you can hear deeper into the sound stage It's much blocker and you can hear fine little details way in the background that you can't hear with the Burmester.

@zuesman You are correct, I have not heard the SIM Audio and have no opinion on them - nor do I really care.   The OP's topic was Burmester which is what I had experience with.  I have heard the Moon stuff (I think they are made by Simaudio) and it was nice - more of a mid-fi product to my ears.    I would take the Classe Class D stuff over Moon.

The burmaster only has 165 watts lol The Sim 861 has 300 watts,

Well, you know what they (the Sim dealers) are all saying, "One Burmester watt is worth at least ten Sim watts."

If zuesman really did compare them, then he can't help it he has bad hearing.

If zuesman really did compare them, then he can’t help it he has bad hearing.

All of the Sim dealers whom I spoke to when I was up in Canada last week did tell me that the Sim gear is mostly popular with the audiophile crowd that is suffering from tinnitus.

I heard the SimAudio 761 this summer when I visited Toronto. A superb amp which reminded me of a more refined Benchmark AHB2 with much more power. I would definitely like to own either a 761 or 861. The 761 had great detail but also a KRELL XD-like smoothness. 

I have also heard a few of the German amp at local shows and dealers in Los Angeles.

ckr1969,

because I wanted to and I can. and I think you better reread the review again because he said it times the buzzing was quite loud I guess you didn't read that part, $50,000 amps that are buzzing should not be reviewed The proper thing to have done and everybody agrees would have been to send the amps back and get two different ones to see if the same thing would happen and if it did then obviously the quality control is not very good is it? Stereophile and that reviewer have lost all credibility and everybody on all of the different forums said the same thing. so if you want to excuse poor manufacturing and quality control and spend $50,000 on amps that can't be easily serviced because there's very few dealers in North America go right ahead lol

@zuesman sorry, but you are full of crap, your story never happened,

I do agree tho, if there was a buzz than the review should have been cancelled until they got replacements,

also, they have a service center in Atlanta if there was to be issues, so not very difficult, Burmester is one hell of a company to do business with unlike many others

enjoy the Sim, im sure its a nice amp

ckr1969,

It's hard for me to believe that both amos would have been damaged in the same way to cause both to be buzzing that's more of a quality control issue, I majored in electronics in trade school and I was a CATV technician in case you don't know what CATV is it's cable television and I think you should reread the review again because the reviewer said at times the buzzing was quite noticeable, how is that a superb sounding amp? that would be extremely annoying trying to listen to music with buzzing coming through the speakers are you really that stupid to try and convince yourself that the amps sounded good when there was buzzing going on in them? are you really that stupid? Good luck trying to get them serviced if yours start buzzing, I wonder how long you'll be waiting to get them back when they have to go back to Germany to be serviced.LOL

And SIM audio is even a bigger hell of a company they service 65 countries around the world and have 57 dealers in North America, and they are huge in Asia a lot bigger than Burmester.

Burmester has nine dealers in the United States hahaha, SIM audio has 57 dealers which is more popular lol

@zuesman give it a rest, u have the best amp every built, most reliable by far, best company as well, bravo, Sim has never had an issue with any products, that's amazing and im glad you are so technical being a CATV guy, impressive

im sure its a giant killer, it has taken down Burmester, now search for ch precision, solution, angostino, gryphon, etc etc and disrupt there conversations with this same story

ckr1969,

I never said that Simaudio has never had any issues did I I'm sure with as many amps that they have built over the years there's someone out there that's had a problem but having a 10-year warranty is sure nice as opposed to only 2 years, you think a company that charges $50,000 for an amplifier would give a 10-year warranty and stand behind their product better.

ckr1969,

I don't need to hunt down any of those other ones because I have respect for them and how good they are. but you should listen to the Simaudio 888 monoblocks there are 140,000 US and boy do they sound incredible, I would definitely put those up against CH precision, solution Gryphon, D'Agostino or any other super high-end amplifier.

What a train wreck of a thread, thanks @zuesman for sucking the life out of it.  Not sure why you can’t start your own Sim or Sim/Burmester comparison thread instead of sh*tting all over this one.

@jastralfu because he's an angry troll

but back to Burmester, they are wonderful IMO, I have a full reference system and I enjoy it greatly, have owned many of the top tier brands and IMO nothing compares, if you have the chance to take a listen its definitely worth it IMO.  

@ckr1969 I was enjoying reading about your and others experiences with Burmester.  I’ve heard of it but not heard it.  Given the chance I would love to hear it.  Glad you enjoy it!

jastralfu,

if you don't like it don't come on this thread there's other threads that you can go read, burmester's definitely overpriced for what it is.

ckr1969,

I'm not angry at all I've heard Burmester and it's not as good as the new civ audio 861 if you can't accept that that's two effing bad, that's why some audio has 59 dealers in the United States and Burmester only has seven we can see which brand is more popular can't we? lol

clr1969,

and just so you know the monitor audio platinum series is much better sounding than the Burmester speakers which are way overpriced.

@zuesman ,

Man, let it go. You’ve had your say many, many posts ago. @ckr1969 started this thread because he wanted to share his enthusiasm and how pleased he is with his new gear, and here you are pummeling everyone with your repetitive opinion about other gear after he politely told you (after your very first post) he doesn’t care for that particular brand. That should have been the extent of it. But you just kept on. Then he flat out told you he doesn’t care and still you kept on. We get it. You like something better. YOU like something better, do you get it? Now you’re on the totally unrelated subject of speakers. Let it go. Stop being that guy...

Just so everyone is aware, @zuesman has been banned a couple of times already from this site for the very behavior on full display here. Previous user names are @havocman and @urbie. Look up the posting history of those two names and it is obvious that it is the same clown on this thread. Some people never learn.

Well, that explains a lot...

@zuesman you need to double up on your meds, Santa not coming to your house with this behavior

Everyone hears things differently,  which is why it is so important that someome looking for an audio system purchase  gear that they are happy with.  Too much audio gear is purchased  based on a reviewer's opinion of what an audio component sounds like.  So is it any wonder why so many audio enthusiasts end up chasing gear instead of truly enjoying their systems?  

As for the my system is better than your system argument that's been going on since the inception of this hobby,  the fact is that as long as you are happy with your system, that's all that counts. 👍