You should compare it to the new SIM audio 861 amplifier after you hear it I don't think you'll be as happy.
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ckr1969,
that's too bad because the 861 is better obviously you haven't heard it you'll be crying if you do. it costs a lot less and it's a lot better, The technology is way ahead of Bermester, It's the first A/AB that has no local or global feedback, every other amp out there uses some local feedback.
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ckr1969,
I don't know if you got my email message that I sent you directly but yes I have compared both and the SIM audio is better because of the new MDCA circuitry that they have developed, I know of no other A/AB amp on the market that uses no local or global feedback, every other amp that uses no global feedback still uses some local feedback which causes the background to not be as black so you can't hear it as deep into the sound stage Go listen to the 861 if you can I don't think you'll be very happy but you have to do a fair comparison one-on-one not a stereo amp against bridged monoblocks.
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CKR 1969,
I can say that you'll be disappointed because I've heard both of them now you haven't obviously, the Sim audio 861 amplifier will leave the 218 in the dust you will hear stuff way in the background in the small little details that you won't hear with the 218 because unfortunately it uses local feedback which masks those fine little details, The background is much blacker with the 861 so until you hear them both side by side like I have you obviously are talking from being uninformed unfortunately and I'm not saying that the 218 is a bad sounding amp it's very good it's just not as good as the new 861.
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ckr1969,
what is BS? The fact that you can't handle the truth? like I said I've compared them both stereo amp to stereo amp obviously you have not that's why I can tell you that the 861 is better so until you go listen to the both side by side you can't say BS to anything because you haven't done the comparison have you? but if you like overpaying for inferior product that's totally up to you.
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just wanted to let everyone know who's interested I just bought the new SIM audio 861 amplifier and compared it to the Burmester 218 which costs $70,000 in Canada, the new SIM audio amplifier at $29,000 Canadian sounds better than the Burmeister 218 at $70,000, the new MDCA circuitry that SIM audio developed is a real game changer it's the first A/AB amp on the market that I know of that uses no local or global feedback all the other amplifiers that use no global feedback still have local feedback in them which affects the sound, so if you want to overpay and pay $50 or $70,000 for a German amp that will be bested by a $29,000 amp from sim audio go right ahead but you've got to give yourself the opportunity to go listen to the 861, I think after you listen to it you won't be spending 50 or $70,000 for an amplifier. It's that good.
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ghdprentice,
The differences I heard were in the background details The background was blacker you could hear fine little details in the music way in the background that I was missing with the Burmester, The b a s s was also better with the 861, don't get me wrong it wasn't huge differences but for a $22,000 US amplifier to go up against the $50,000 US amplifier and be better is saying something about the new MDCA technology that SIM audio has developed.
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grislybutter,
so I shouldn't answer GHDPrentice When he asked the question what differences did I hear? if you don't like what I say you don't have to read it and you don't have to come on this forum do you?
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grislybutter,
how rude I am? lol what did I say to CKR 1969 that was rude I just told him what I heard and the differences, how is that rude? I've been at this for 40 years and my ears are extremely good I used to play French horn in the Vancouver symphony orchestra so my ears are very attuned to know what instruments sound like and voices sound like in real life unfortunately most audiophiles don't and I also have the ability to do something that many people can't I can go listen to one system in one store and then go and listen to another system in another store and make the comparison in my head and hear the differences not too many people have that ability and I'm thankful to God that I can, and my system is quite expensive but it's taken me 40 years to get here.
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audphile1,
Don't you think that the reviewer should have stopped the review and sent the amplifiers back and got a second pair to see if they would be doing the same thing? saying that the amplifier still sounded great and you got audible buzzing? how can an amplifier sound great when you got buzzing going? that would drive me crazy.
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ckr1969,
I think you're the one that needs to grow up, I was just stating what I heard and the differences if you don't like that because you own Burmester too bad and the Stereophile review was a joke obviously Burmester bought a lot of advertising from them when two super expensive amplifiers start buzzing and he still said it sounds good you're full of crap and you should go on some of the other forums and see what people are saying about that review it was a joke and everybody said it when two amplifiers start buzzing you shouldn't be continuing the review you should send them back and get another pair and if it does the same thing then you know that there's a problem with the quality control and the manufacturing.
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and here's the last thing I'm going to say about this topic any reviewer that says amplifier sound great when there's a buzzing going on in the amplifiers has lost all credibility Stereophile has become a joke.
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grislybutter,
You're now becoming laughable so I don't even want to bother to waste my time with you anymore thanks for your incoherent babble lol
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immathewj,
You're so full of crap your eyes are brown, not one Burmester dealer in Canada sells SIM audio so how could you compare them at every dealer in Canada lol, The only way to compare them is to be able to listen to them side by side, obviously you couldn't do that because none of those dealers have Simaudio, man you must think I'm pretty stupid.LOL!!!
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grislybutter
How is telling someone what I heard being a bully and saying that I thought that the 861 was better than the 218? please explain that, if he doesn't like that I'm telling the truth in what I heard too bad for him and you.
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Yes keep convincing yourself of that lol You're comparing them to the dealers amps what other amps are you comparing them to at least I told you what amps I compared, and if you think spending $50,000 on an amp is smart keep thinking that lol. but it's your money if you want to waste it go right ahead, like I said I didn't think the Burmester was bad it was very very good actually but technology moves ahead and the MDCA circuitry that SIM audio has developed is a game changer and this app will definitely go up against 50 and $70,000 amps and be better or as good and obviously you haven't heard the 861 so you can't make any comments can you? since I own it and have and have now taken the trouble to take it down to a Burmester dealer and compared them I can make an honest opinion and the Burmester is not worth twice the price of the 861.
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ckr1969,
I guess you're dumber than you sound so I'll tell you how I heard both I took my 861 down to the dealer who sells Burmeister and I let my 861 warm up for a couple hours and then we put it up against the 218 stereo to stereo not bridged monoblock to bridged monoblock, and the background was a lot blacker with the 861 and the fine details in the background we're much clearer and more airy and spacious and also the bass was tighter faster and more articulate with the 861, and I even brought my OCC rectangular cables which are far superior to anything OFC at any price on the market to use in both systems, so I'm glad you like wasting money and spending another $50,000 on another 218 but you could have got two 861s for only $44,000 which would sound better so until you can compare both like I did stop flapping your gums because obviously you can't say anything about it because you haven't compared the two side by side like I have. and here's another one When amplifiers that cost $50,000 each start buzzing and the reviewer says it's still sounded good you know that reviewer is full of BS don't you lol, what a joke that review was and everybody that read it knows that stereophile is full of BS, they'll give you a good review on the amount of advertising that you buy from them.
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ckr1969,
Oh I forgot to mention the differences weren't huge and the 218 is a very very good sounding amplifier but when a $22,000 amplifier sounds better that's saying something about the new MDCA circuitry that sim audio has developed.So why spend $50,000 on an amp when you can get a better one for $22,000, and let's just say to your ears the 218 sounded a little bit better that doesn't justify double the price does it?.
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ckr1969,
The last thing by the way no I'm not a vet owner I'm a BMW owner.
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clk1969,
Yes driving a BMW was very nice they handle like a dream and the dealer was in Canada so you know what Go look up all the dealers in Canada and you'll find the right one eventually I could tell you and make it easy for you but I'm going to let you do it the hard way and phone every Canadian dealer lol.
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Well if I have the amp already in my house why shouldn't I take it to the store to compare? and don't you think that's my choice to do what I want? and why would I put a deposit on something that I don't want to buy that doesn't even make sense so to me it made more sense to take the amp that I own which is the 861 and compare it to the Burmeister It's too bad that you overpaid for an amp that unfortunately is not as good and even if you compare them and you thought the 218 was better it's only going to be incrementally better in your eyes so it's not worth double the money to get that little improvement that you think you will have and again I will say this any $50,000 amplifier not one but two that buzzes during the review you can't say much on the quality control for that company can you? and the reviewer saying that it's still sounded good with that kind of an audible buzz everybody that read that on the forums was laughing at that reviewer, we know that stereophile has no credibility anymore, you get a great review based on how much money you spend on advertising with them.
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ckr1969,
I told you where the dealer was in Canada where I live why should I make it easy for you Go phone every dealer in Canada and then you'll finally hit the right one which I was at and then you'll find out so knock yourself out you'll hit the right one eventually there's only a few in Canada not that many lol.
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like I said phone every dealer in Canada and you'll hit the right one and you'll see that you're the one that's in the fairytale and what I do with my time is up to me and if I want to go compare my amp to another one that's up to me as well I just wanted to prove that a $29,000 Canadian amp is better than a $50,000 and a $70,000 amp made in Germany which I did, so you're the one that's a fool wasting $100,000 on 2 amps that aren't as good and like I said before even if you think they're better they're going to be so incrementally better that it's not worth double the money like the saying goes the law of diminishing returns. my system is no slouch It's worth $85,000, and if you bother to do any research you will find out that the rectangular OCC single crystal wire is far superior to anything OFC like companies like transparent charge $70,000 for you got to be an absolute idiot to spend that much money on a piece of wire lol.
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ckr1969,
I assume you live in the US so you want to come to Canada and listen to the amps unfortunately mine won't be there because this store does not sell Simaudio, that's the reason I took my 861 down there do you need me to explain it any clearer lol?
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acman3
Yes he can enjoy wasting money when the the SIM audio 861 is better too bad for him He's got more money than brains I guess lol.
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devinplombier,
Who cares what it looks like It's what it sounds like and A few comments on the forums on here have been that the Burmester is not very musical and I agree, It's very technical sounding and it doesn't have the musicality of the Sim audio 861.
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ckr1969,
so I assume you live in the United States so are you going to come to Canada to the dealer that I took my 861 too and compared it to your overpriced German amps lol
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immathewj,
well I've looked at all the dealers that sell Burmester in Canada and not one of them sells Simaudio, so how are you able to compare the 861 at every dealer in Canada please give me a break You're pretty stupid to think that I would believe that. lol
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thecarpathian,
thanks for the vote of confidence, the Burmester website only lists one in Vancouver but there's actually two I don't know if both of them are licensed dealers but nevertheless both of them have Burmester product.
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acmaier3,
sorry but I don't work for SIM audio I just say what I heard when I compared both if you don't like it tough luck for you, don't care if you believe it either like everyone knows everyone's ears are different right? so I'm entitled to my opinion, and did I ever say that Burmeister was crap actually I said it was very very good if you look at my threads that I wrote but it wasn't as good as the 861 especially way in the background details I can hear things from the 861 that I wasn't hearing with the Burmester, so if you can't accept that go read another thread lol
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acmaier3,
Obviously then you have never heard a w8, an 870, 868 V2 or the 888's or read any of the reviews on all of them, when two $50,000 each amplifiers start buzzing and the reviewer says they still sounded great everyone knows that reviewer was full of sh t, he obviously has lost all credibility, he should have stopped the review said he was sending these two amps back and getting two others to review and see if the same thing would have happened, everyone that's read the review has agreed that that's what should have happened.
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plaw,
I guess you haven't heard the SIM audio 861 or their other evolution amps there's nothing veiled about any of their amps, in fact they are world-class if you read any of the reviews on any of them. The 861 will leave the Burmester 218 in the dust The burmaster only has 165 watts lol The Sim 861 has 300 watts, The bass control is much better with the 861 and you can hear deeper into the sound stage It's much blocker and you can hear fine little details way in the background that you can't hear with the Burmester.
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ckr1969,
because I wanted to and I can. and I think you better reread the review again because he said it times the buzzing was quite loud I guess you didn't read that part, $50,000 amps that are buzzing should not be reviewed The proper thing to have done and everybody agrees would have been to send the amps back and get two different ones to see if the same thing would happen and if it did then obviously the quality control is not very good is it? Stereophile and that reviewer have lost all credibility and everybody on all of the different forums said the same thing. so if you want to excuse poor manufacturing and quality control and spend $50,000 on amps that can't be easily serviced because there's very few dealers in North America go right ahead lol
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Burmester has nine dealers in the United States hahaha, SIM audio has 57 dealers which is more popular lol
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ckr1969,
It's hard for me to believe that both amos would have been damaged in the same way to cause both to be buzzing that's more of a quality control issue, I majored in electronics in trade school and I was a CATV technician in case you don't know what CATV is it's cable television and I think you should reread the review again because the reviewer said at times the buzzing was quite noticeable, how is that a superb sounding amp? that would be extremely annoying trying to listen to music with buzzing coming through the speakers are you really that stupid to try and convince yourself that the amps sounded good when there was buzzing going on in them? are you really that stupid? Good luck trying to get them serviced if yours start buzzing, I wonder how long you'll be waiting to get them back when they have to go back to Germany to be serviced.LOL
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And SIM audio is even a bigger hell of a company they service 65 countries around the world and have 57 dealers in North America, and they are huge in Asia a lot bigger than Burmester.
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ckr1969,
I never said that Simaudio has never had any issues did I I'm sure with as many amps that they have built over the years there's someone out there that's had a problem but having a 10-year warranty is sure nice as opposed to only 2 years, you think a company that charges $50,000 for an amplifier would give a 10-year warranty and stand behind their product better.
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ckr1969,
I don't need to hunt down any of those other ones because I have respect for them and how good they are. but you should listen to the Simaudio 888 monoblocks there are 140,000 US and boy do they sound incredible, I would definitely put those up against CH precision, solution Gryphon, D'Agostino or any other super high-end amplifier.
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ckr1969,
I'm not angry at all I've heard Burmester and it's not as good as the new civ audio 861 if you can't accept that that's two effing bad, that's why some audio has 59 dealers in the United States and Burmester only has seven we can see which brand is more popular can't we? lol
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clr1969,
and just so you know the monitor audio platinum series is much better sounding than the Burmester speakers which are way overpriced.
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jastralfu,
if you don't like it don't come on this thread there's other threads that you can go read, burmester's definitely overpriced for what it is.
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thecarpathian,
well he keeps sending me messages with stupid comments so I keep answering him lol
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ckr1969,
Burmester is not a superior product over Sim end of story you haven't heard the 861 and compared the two so again you're saying stupid things, I have and if you don't want to believe that I have so be it I really don't care, I've heard both so I can make the comment you obviously make stupid comments without comparing the two so again Burmester is not superior to Sim it's just way overpriced and if you're stupid enough to overpay that's your business lol, and their speakers are definitely not better than the monitor audio platinum way over price again though.
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ckr1969,
and you need to triple up your meds lol and I stop believing in Santa Claus a long time ago, Go away you're starting to bore me.
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ckr1969,
well there's only one dealer in Vancouver so it's pretty easy to deduce who I went to are you really that stupid and can't figure it out?
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ckr1969,
if I wanted to buy a $50,000 or $70,000 amp that would be no problem I have the money in the bank I'm just not stupid enough to waste that kind of money When a $29,000 amp with newer technology sounds better or maybe if you heard it just as good so why would I spend 50 or 70,000 when I can get the same sound quality with 29,000?
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grislybutter,
I'm not doing any advertising for Sim so I can say anything I like.
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ckr1969,
I already told you what store it was Go phone them and ask.
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ckr1969,
also the other store that has Burmester is liquid sound try calling them as well
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ckr1969,
just so I can shut your mouth if you want give me your email address and I'll send you a picture of my system and I'll even name it for you right now, SIM audio p8 preamp, SIM audio 861 amplifier, esoteric P10 transport, Wyred4sound 10th anniversary DAC, monarchy audio upsampler, monitor audio platinum 200 ll and the internal wiring will be upgraded to OCC single crystal which is the best wire for audio on the market, far superior to anything OFC you probably don't even know that lol, and all the wiring is neotech Sahara rectangular OCC copper and the power cords are all The Grand rectangular OCC copper. and if you'd like you can go see a picture of it on Thomas and Friends systems of the world part 2 and it's the second system that he reviewed on that video, but that picture still has my w8 because I still hadn't upgraded to the 861
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