+1 for the TAD ME-1. For nearfield listening I don’t think you can find better.
Best Speakers for a small Nearfield room, budget at most $10000 (used is also ok)
Hi guys, I am a newbie here and am searching the best speakers in a small room (my room is about 13’ x 10’).
Consider a pair of bookshelf or small floor standing (like Magico S1 mk1?). Those speakers will be placed near the corner of the room, may be I will prefer a sealed case.
I listen to female vocals, jazz and light original sound tracks at a relatively low volume. Since I am transferred from a headphone system, what I really care is the musically and smoothness of the system. Any suggestions?
BTW, I am in USA now. What kind of brands that could be easily found in Usa?
Now I am looking at Magico a3 (There are multiple driver for a3, I am afraid it is an overkill for my room), Magico a1(seems good), Raidho xt1, xt2, used c1.1 ?
Consider a pair of bookshelf or small floor standing (like Magico S1 mk1?). Those speakers will be placed near the corner of the room, may be I will prefer a sealed case.
I listen to female vocals, jazz and light original sound tracks at a relatively low volume. Since I am transferred from a headphone system, what I really care is the musically and smoothness of the system. Any suggestions?
BTW, I am in USA now. What kind of brands that could be easily found in Usa?
Now I am looking at Magico a3 (There are multiple driver for a3, I am afraid it is an overkill for my room), Magico a1(seems good), Raidho xt1, xt2, used c1.1 ?
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My room is 10 X 11. I sit 60 inches from the monitors that are on stands. The ATC SCM19 V2 is a closed box, an actual off shoot of their studio monitors. They are very linear with a flat impedance curve. 85 dB sensitivity so they like at least 100 watts, I give mine 200 watts and they sound fantastic IMO.. |
I would read nearly any review of the Dali Oberon 5 loudspeakers (1199.00 pr) and actually believe those reviews:) On a whim (bored with quarantine!!) I have a pair in here now I’m listening to on 60 day return period against monitors more than double their price and its a smallish room-- just a ridiculous value for the money! Easy to drive, detailed,dynamic imaging champions, tonally dense etc. Full break-in supposedly 100 hours but at around 30-40 they are already very very special and may not be going back:) If I were you, I’d also very much read Stevehuffphoto blog’s musings, as he has a 12’ by 13’ room and loves the B&W 705, 706, Dynaudio Special 40’s and lately the new JBL L82, all of which I’ve never heard. |
I honestly do not think that you can beat any speakers from Bryston. Your room would do very well with the Middle T which will fill that space wonderfully. I had a pair of them in my 10,000 cubic foot space, which has an 18 foot high vaulted ceiling. They were so good that I ended up trading them out for the even larger Model T. If you want to get a similar performance to the Model T, only with smaller woofer drivers as you do have a much more limited space constraint, I'd look at Axiom Audio's website and read about their LFR1100. I know a couple of guys using them and they rave about this speaker. BTW, Axiom Audio builds all of Bryston's speakers. I am currently using the upgraded Model T with the fully active inputs, however I use the monster PX-1 external crossovers which are built on mil-spec pcb's with massive air core inductors to handle pretty much any power level you can put through it. These crossovers were designed for use with Bryston's 28B3 mono blocks which put out nearly 2000 watts per channel. I am using Anthem M1 mono blocks running on dedicated 240 v/15 amp circuits which will allow for 2000 watts per channel with virtually no distortion. Axiom Audio is up in Ontario and they build everything in their facility, there are no 'imported' parts. They also offer a 30 day trial period and if you are not satisfied, they even pay the return shipping on the speakers; but I doubt you'd be returning them :). Its a no risk purchase. As you can read, I am a huge fan of their products! In fact Ian (the CEO) just built me a custom center speaker out of their M80. He made the cabinet in Knotty Pine veneer to match the area I placed it along my staircase and in a size to fit the area. It is gorgeous! Anyway, give this company a close look; check out their web site. |
> Used Merlin TSM monitors. @vinylvalet had TSM's for 16 years and they're indeed great but I don't know about such a small room. OP said they need to put them near the corners, TSM's do better spaced closer together (they start to sound very lean when spread out) with lots of space to breath. Also they are pretty fussy about amplifier matching, though very tube friendly. |
I have Magico S1MKII in 15 x 15 room but open to a long hall and stairwell with 15 ft ceilings. My tastes are similar. No heavy rock or high levels. Although Scott Walker Audio said the S1MKii actually needs a BIGGER room, I am upgrading to the S3MkII. Look for my ad to be posted soon although be aware of their weight and shipping. Will be in your price range. |
If you will have the speakers near the back wall (likely in a small room/nearfield setup), strongly consider sealed/acoustic suspension designs. One of those is the Magico A1 you mention...I've read great things about it. One is for sale used at another website (California pickup only). My favorite nearfield speakers are ATCs. You could get either SCM12s or SCM19s (both sealed 2-ways) and have money left over. |
Here's a used pair of Dutch & Dutch 8c. https://www.gearslutz.com/board/gearslutz-secondhand-gear-classifieds/1301736-dutch-amp-dutch-8c.html |
I have been extremely pleased with my purchase of the Wilson Benesch Vertex Loudspeakers
http://wilson-benesch.com/vertex-stand-mounted-loudspeaker/ Worth a look and they fit your budget. I recently added a single subwoofer....truly giant killers in a small space! Good luck. |
One thing that is kind of neat about Audiovector is when you place them close to the wall, instead of collapsing the soundstage depth at the wall they instead throw the soundstage in front of the speakers. It’s not as “holographic” as a typical mini monitor and some might find it a bit forward, but it’s very engaging and kind of lets you walk around inside the stage rather than being relegated to watching a cardboard image plastered to the wall. |
+1 to a sealed box like ATC, though you’ll still have a considerable amount of boundary reinforcement. Audiovector speakers work very well close to the rear wall, their recommended distance for the R1 is as little as 15cm even with the rear port. I suspect in your room it will give you a really strong bass response with speed and slam. The only caveat is they are not the most engaging speakers at low volumes due to being quite neutral/slightly lean in the lower midrange and presence region which means they are best closer to realistic volume levels (they can play crazy loud without compressing), however the R series seems better than the SR I had in this regard and I believe this will be even more of a problem with Magico. For lower level acoustic listening I suggest comparing the “neutral-ish” speakers like Magico, Audiovector, and ATC to the warmer ones like Spendor, Sonus Faber, Devore, Vandersteen and seeing which style clicks for you. The good thing is in your smaller room there’s less risk of the neutral-ish speakers sounding lean. |
i second the PSB Imagine B. I bought a pair used about 4 years ago and used them in a room about your size. Their range is great and your only problem would be if you don’t have adequate sound absorption in the room the bass can become a bit boomy. That’s easily solved by the addition of the bass port plugs in back. Prices on these seem to have risen slightly but a used pair is still under $700 on EBay, not that I’m recommending you buy them there. |
A pair of Evolution Acoustics MicroOne’s will work great in a space that size. Check out this pair listed for $1775: https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lisa4275-evolution-acoustics-mm-micro-one-excellent-condition-see-... |
You may want to look at the Q Acoustics Concept 300 speakers. John Atkison from stereophile compared them with much more expensive speakers like Wilson's Alexia 2, Magico's S5 Mk.II, and KEF's Blade Two. Here is a link: https://www.stereophile.com/content/q-acoustics-concept-300-loudspeaker-page-2 |
Yes, that is a small room. Your definitely going to want a speaker ported in the front so you can get it closer to the wall. A Harbeth HL5 Plus would be great but might overload the room and a Harbeth 30.2 monitor may be a better choice. Both are great for near field listening, are ported in the front and would go well in a small room....and they fit in your budget. |
I have to throw my hat in the ring in this one and recommend Studio Electric m4. I have two sets of the early art deco version. They are never harsh sounding, never seemed strained and are sealed so no worries about chuffing ports or weird bass resonances from rear ports. If you do get something else at least get a transmission line with front port. Oh did I mention the SE are way under your price range. Try them I think you'll like them. |
Considering your original list...I am a Raidho dealer and am a huge fan of the brand. They are best with more than 20" from back wall. They are amazing speakers but 3' of space behind them is essential for the sound stage to come together. Proximity to sidewall is not a big deal. You might find a smallish floorstander from scansonic (MB-5B???) will work better in your room assuming amplification is ideal. I think I am missing what amp you are driving them with and what sources your have? Even at modest volumes you don't want the system to sound bright. What other speakers have you heard that you liked? Everyone has their favorite brand but we really need to account for your personal taste and your amplification. There are a million options. Given your taste in music, something like an Avantgarde Zero would be brilliant and would work in your room but is not a "small speaker" and needs to be paired with a warm amp or they can be unpleasantly bright. Magico is awesome, but requires a neutral to warmer amp. AVM is brilliant with Magico but Chord would be unpleasant. Alternatively, something like Chord paired with a Spendor D7 could be brilliant. Matching is critical. A little more info could help get away from list of everyone's favorite brand and help narrow and target your search. Full disclosure, I am a Raidho, Chord, Avantgarde and Scansonic dealer and have access to some other brands (including my own, Verdant and others mentioned in this thread) that might work well for you. |
Absolutely buy used on Audiogon, US Audio Mart or Canuck Audio Mart. There is a nice pair of Raidho C1.3 currently on AG for half of $17K. My first choice would be the TAD mini monitor. A used speaker may have some small marks on it but most people are very careful with their gear. A used speaker is also broken in which is significant since most speakers can take months the start to open up. |
Ayanamisk, thanks for responding to my question a few days ago. These thoughts come to mind regarding the challenges in a small room: First, the reflection path lengths will be relatively short, so the reflections will arrive earlier. Second, low-frequency boost from boundary reinforcement will usually be relatively strong. The low-frequency boundary reinforcement issue can be dealt with either by using speakers designed or adaptable to that situation, or by using subwoofers which are inherently highly adjustable. The short reflection paths issue implies that the speaker’s off-axis response matter a lot, since most of the reflections will originate from its off-axis response. You want the off-axis response to track the on-axis response as closely as possible, to minimize the discrepancy between the two. Also imo it would be desirable for the speakers to have a fairly narrow radiation pattern over as much of the spectrum as possible, so that they can be aimed to minimize the early sidewall reflections. The Dutch & Dutch 8c’s suggested earlier in this thread address both of these issues, though they are above your price range. The Gradient Revolution is an unusually small-room-friendly and less expensive alternative. I was a Gradient dealer for many years before becoming a manufacturer. Duke |
Hello, The Omega and Joseph Audio Pulsar are rear ported. You will have to pull them too far from the wall or spend a fortune on bass correction. No rear ported speakers for you. I do like the Magico A1 with the stands.( fill them with sand if not weighted) I believe you will have great sound without doing too much acoustic correction for the room. 35hz is good for the bass and you can add a subwoofer later for the days you want to really turn up the volume. Make sure your amp has 4ohm capability but not too much power. 50W to 100w At 4 ohms so you can use the power or turn in up at least 20% of the way. the Magic’s A3s are way too much bass for your room. 26hz is low stuck near the corners of a small room especially without bass traps which can be large and expensive. Also you might have to keep the volume lower because of too much bass So you won’t get to utilize the power of the amp. No Maggie’s either or Maggie type speakers. You do not have enough room to pull them out. Last but not least are the ones with power and possibly room correction. Like Elac or Kai speakers. Full range and the amp already matches the speaker. You have to be careful about too big or too much power because you won’t be able to utilize it in that room without $10,000 worth of room treatment. Magico A1 with the tall stands and a nice tube amp. You can go lower on the amps power say 20w at 4 ohms since you will not be using Solid state. Ask Magico a recommendation for the amp and or preamp. I would go with integrated if you can unless the speakers are farther away from the preamp. Then do longer interconnects from the pre to the amp and shorter speaker cables. Good luck and stay away from the rabbit holes! |
Floorstanders (with manageable bass for small room): Focal Kanta 2 Vivid Kaya 45 Paradigm Persona 3F Monitors: Magico A1 (I liked the A3 but not heard A1 yet) Yamaha NS3000 (have not heard the NS3000 but loved the NS5000) TAD ME1 (have a lot of bass) KEF Reference 1 I plan on using the following guys work to control the bass in my similar sized room. See virtual systems. https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/59000-a-talk-on-digital-room-correction/ BTW - The KEF LS50’s would also be very good in your room. I had to acoustically treat the room for my LS50’s to sound great though. |