"I can tell by your post you've never had a pair of these speakers." LOL! As a matter of fact I do own a pair of these speakers. I know them intimately and know their strengths and weaknesses. With these, or for that matter any speakers, "fooling with the room" is everything. You have admitted your own limitations in your post. Make no mistake, though, the OP has a room problem, and 802 D diamonds when properly set up are not overly bright or harsh. |
The best way to fix speakers that are not pleasing to you is to get new speakers. There are so many good ones to choose from that it can be overwhelming. You might start by auditioning the Sonos Faber Serafinos These are excellent speakers with a touch of warmth that will never be fatiguing. Some people might find them “soft” while others will think the presentation is exactly what they want. No substitute for listening. |
"B&W sells more speakers, high end speakers, than any other company in the world. And the 802 D diamond is one of their best, many prefer it to more recent iterations of the 802 series." I can tell by your post you've never had a pair of these speakers. The reason B&W sells so many speakers is they look nice, have an exciting sound that makes you say "wow" when you first hear them and they have really good distribution. Most high end speaker brands don't have the manufacturing capacity to fill a chain like BestBuy. If you notice from the comments, most of us had B&W speakers at one time. But the key word is had. So yes, they sell a lot of speakers but people tend not to keep them. I know some people mentioned fooling with the room. It won't fix this problem. Unless you are willing to put something in between you and the tweeter, it won't help. And when I say help, I mean cover up, not fix. You can spend a fortune trying to fix these speakers. I'm not saying you can't get them to sound good, its just that it may be more trouble than its worth. If the choice was mine, I would get different speakers and be done with it. |
When i'm setting up speakers and they're bright or have that glare in the midrange I pull them away from the first reflection point. In my tv room I'll pull the in front of the monitor a little more than usual and if I can't get them away from the sidewall enough I use more extreme toe in. Looking at response curves for bright speakers, not necessarily B&W, jagged measurements evan fairly slight can cause trouble in the wrong room so maybe some digital room correction software? good luck |
@OP It does sound like you have a room and setup problem - see https://www.stereophile.com/content/bw-802d-loudspeaker-measurements - coupled with the fact that your amplification is not the most synergistic match for 802Ds. BTW, apropos the post above, while B&W make a big hoo ha about being used in Abbey Road, they are not studio monitors. Having owned a pair myself for hi fi purposes - and sold them due to their inaccurate frequency response - they are a very long way down the list of speakers I would use as studio monitors. |
Interesting that all of the advice so far has been to ditch your 802D diamonds. While that is always an option, I would call it a last resort approach. B&W sells more speakers, high end speakers, than any other company in the world. And the 802 D diamond is one of their best, many prefer it to more recent iterations of the 802 series. So before deciding that there is no hope for these speakers, I suggest you take stock of your situation in a wholistic manner. After you have really explored all of the options if new speakers are called for that is always an option. Since B&W specializes in monitor loudspeakers, your 802s are relatively flat in frequency response as measured in an anechoic chamber. But what about your room? I don’t know anything about your room, but it is reasonable to guess that there are many resonances and that might be the root cause of the brightness you are hearing. I strongly recommend that you consider system setup as your first priority. You will want to make sure that your speakers are out into the room at least 27" from the back wall, the distance between them is ~ 8’-10’ and your seating position should be about the same distance away. If the room is very hard you should consider room treatments. Although the 802s do not need more bass, you very well could benefit from a PAIR of subwoofers mounted to either side and behind and/or in the corners of the room if possible. Subs do wonderful things for minimizing standing waves and this would help tame the harshness you are hearing. If you are comfortable doing so, you might want to seek a professional to assist you with set up. Even if you ultimately decide on different speakers, proper setup benefits every system. You have a very nice system and there is no reason to think that it cannot be improved by paying careful attention to setup. |
OP here's some info on Franco Serblin https://www.stereohifi.nl/loudspeakers/stereowise-loudspeaker-f/stereowise-l-speaker-franco-serblin |
Sell them, buy a pair of Spendor Classic 1/2s, and start enjoying your life and music again. Life is too short to deal with gear you don't like! No cable, power confitioner, tube, or amp/preamp change can sufficiently or fundamentally change a speaker that was engineered to be inherently bright... simply will not happen. |
First, take your time and carefully choose your approach. Try to band aid it or rethink your choices and put together a synergistic system that sound exactly the way you want it to. I had a very dry and detailed oriented system and did a major upgrade before retiring. First thing I did was to switch over to Sonus Faber speakers. It is very likely you are going to be able to listen to music more in your retirement... and it is also likely you will come to appreciate a more musical system. One that is very emotionally engaging. The first step is the speakers to consider. Sonus Faber also look incredible. You want natural and musical ones. So, I would look to audition some Sonus Faber. Used are good as well, up to about 10-12 years ago. Before that they were even more relaxed and warm... perhaps too much. Alternatively, you can examine your cabling and electronics. If you have some real hot / detailed electronics like Benchmark then swopping for warmer would be needed. Cardas cabling and interconnects are very warm especially the lower level ones. This could be the ticket if you want to do a minimum.
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If you like the clarity you're getting but the brightness is too intense, perhaps something with a ribbon tweeter? I was very impressed with these and in your price range – you might consider the one up, too: https://apertura-audio.com/en/products/edena-evolution/ |
There are so many speakers out there that aren’t as bright as yours (Sonus Faber, for one). Sorry, you’ve just got to do the research and figure this one out for yourself, as this situation requires in-person/in-home/in-store auditioning for you to know for sure what’s best to your eras. Personally, I love the sparkle and natural tone that you get with Diamond/ Beryllium tweeters when implemented properly. My Revel Salon 2 speakers have one of the most brilliant, yet smooth, detailed and transparent, musical, non-fatiguing, tweeters I’ve ever heard (Beryllium), and I’ve heard quite a few. Go listen to as many speakers that you can, even if you have to travel to get to hear them in person. That’s the best (only) way. Also, you can always try to tone down the tweeters of the B&W's by trying to power them with tubes, experimenting with cables, components, etc.. If I were in your shoes, I’d ditch the speakers. Happy listening. |
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Look here Mike |
Put those B&W up for sale. it is their bread and butter to have thin, harsh, edgy, sharp and piercing presentation to their midrange and treble. Some can be fixed with extra damping that is focused on certain frequencies, or you can do the best thing and out it up for sale for someone who can't hear beyond 6kHz who will like B&W's weird presentation of tonal identity. For the Franco Serblin speaker if it is the one I think it is, they're recessed in the lower treble, but the mid treble and upper treble is obnoxious. Room dimensions and what are your amp and source? @onehorsepony
I'd rather you go for a balanced within preference research speakers and let that be the baseline for your system |
