Well, there is value and importance to ongoing discussions about AI and how society will respond/be impacted. There are things that loom negative in the future with regard to AI. There are also positive things as well. This is true with pretty much every innovation. There used to be a thriving industry in large cites and smaller towns. Individuals and companies had contracts cleaning up all the horse droppings in the streets as horses are, shall we say, unreliable with their bowel activity. The invention of cars killed that industry, took those jobs away. We don't even remember them.
And I'm not ready to elevate Mr. Hinton to prophet of god status. And I wouldn't say he "abandoned" his career when he left Google. First, I suspect he walked out the door with quite a few millions of dollars in his pocket (good for him) and, second, I'm certain as well that he will have not problem finding very high paying work in the industry when he wants. So don't weep for Mr. Hinton's great sacrifice and let's not put him up on a cross.
AI will bring value to art. I don't know exactly what value, but I'm certain it will. Maybe it will make the creation of art more accessible to people. Maybe it will help people find the art that most resonates with them. For instance, there's a great website called Music Map. It's AI driven. If you put in the name of and artist or group you like it shows other artists or groups that are close in style. A couple of years ago while playing with it I discovered Goose. I listened to them and liked them enough that I saw them last fall playing with TAB and Billy Strings. Fantastic show.
Point is, AI isn't the end of humanism. We don't have to be so afraid. And of course companies focus on profit. They have to. We live in a capitalist system. It's not perfect, but far more "humanist" than the systems in Russia or China. If a company doesn't focus on profit it will go out of business. I like the products of the modern world, my audio system and, as I said earlier, being able to learn and grow from forums like this one, which is made possible by the technology of the Internet. (as long as we don't talk about cables)
Interestingly, AI might well be successfully used to spot AI generated art/music. Isn't that a curious thought. And with respect to copyrights, I believe the Copyright Office has declared that AI generated literature is not copyrightable. What that would functionally mean is that even though a copyright might inappropriately granted, enforcement would be stymied should someone try to sue based on the copyright. So it's a piece of paper (virtual) without value. Anyway, I think maybe this is roaming a bit afield from the intention of the forum and I do loath wasting people's time on the internet, even though I am fabulously talented at wasting my own.
And if anyone from ROON is reading this, please update your predictive algorithms. I'm really NOT interested in hearing more opera
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I never elevated him to God status...My godlike status persons are deep mathematicians as Goerg Cantor or Ramanujan or Alexander Grothendieck or Alain Connes or Mochizuki and some others or great mystics in all religions... No engineers so useful they could be... 😊 Hinton was courageous to speak his mind against many sleepwalking engineers at least half of them ,... Then no godlike status here...
But it is very interesting compared to Le Cun who win the Turing prize too and disagree with Hinton and to listen what he spoke about...
By speaking so and quitting Google, he was politely mocked by the Le Cun crowds...
A. I. is not a "passive" tool at all...For me and for Hinton
Even it will be used as a passive tool...
I will not go further here but you missed the point Hinton make i will repeat :
No one program A. I. it will program us instead ...
Thats is the gist of the spiritual problem...
i will add to that that A. I. will not stay outside of us, but as Elon Musk ask for with the like of Kurzweil, we must merge with it, they claimed...
And I’m not ready to elevate Mr. Hinton to prophet of god status. And I wouldn’t say he "abandoned" his career when he left Google. First, I suspect he walked out the door with quite a few millions of dollars in his pocket (good for him) and, second, I’m certain as well that he will have not problem finding very high paying work in the industry when he wants. So don’t weep for Mr. Hinton’s great sacrifice and let’s not put him up on a cross.
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@ghdprentice
well, we’re getting closer but, to me anyway, no cigar yet.
A blues song should take you to a new, though still familiar, emotional state; that A.I. “song” had the recognizable signposts but possessed no true emotional weight IMHO.
(listen to Statesboro Blues and rejoin the convo)
A.I. brings to mind a homunculus, a not-quite-there human being.
As long as we’re here we might as well bring up drum machines; now THAT was/is a controversial topic. I still remember finding out one of my favorite 80’s recordings utilized a drum machine…..and it was confusing emotionally trying to decide if I still liked it the same….
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@rettrussell
Sure, it is not competitive with unique / original heart felt blues. But that was the result of a 10 second endeavor… 5 to form the query and five seconds to receive the output.
Virtually anyone in the industry five years ago would say we were decades away from that being possible. Then overnight it was here.
AI is the most profound development in this and the last century. Whether the atomic bomb or AI is more important will only be clear in retrospect. I am not an expert on AI, but have had a career as an IT executive, introducing cutting edge computer technology to large global companies… and I am humbled and concerned by it’s potential power… both positive and negative.
Judging by most of the posts here… few have a clue of what they are talking about. It is in everyone’s best interest to really learn about AI and its capability and dangers… particularly when directly coupled with the corporate profit motive. This is not like some 60 minutes special… that can give you an informed opinion on the subject. If you are under 50… you better start studying. AI may be the biggest existential threat you have ever seen, and unless you are on the leading edge the reason your life financial plan will likely go down the toilet.
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How is the machinery of a machine
Any different from the machinery of the body
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How life designed the DNA code ?
It is not an act of someone with a beard... Dont you think ?
It is not randomness dont you think ?
What is it?
It is an encompassing fundamental information field uniting all living life in two complementary hierarchies of intelligence and consciousness... Intelligence is not exactly the same as self consciousness... A slime network can solve complex optimization problem with no brain... Do you know that ? It give A nobel prize to the japanese scientist who studied that...
Stalin kill twenty millions of Russians perhaps, do you know that?
Self consciousness is not intelligence and intelligence is not self consciousness even if they are related and linked in what we generally call CONSCIOUSNESS ...
Where did this ONE CONSCIOUSNESS come from ?
it come from the information/formation field where all consciousness exist as processing unit of intelligence, this processing field dynamic is the HEART of mathematics,... The shadow of the consciousness and intelligent light is mathematic itself in the mind... Swedenborg the discoverer of the cortex brain among others thing named intelligence and consciousness the divine knowledge and the divine love... The mind is not the brain , and the soul is not the mind and the spirit is not the soul...But all are ONE...
The difference between living organism in the cosmos and matter is determined by the distribution of the prime numbers, it takes some amount of prime numbers to process life an infinite numbers of prime, versus processing matter, a finite number of primes but more deeply if we forget the matter/life distinction, at a basic level there exist an intelligence without self oriented moral consciousness as we experience it and a self oriented consciousness with no need for intelligence as we experience it...
Mathematics prime number distribution is a DISCOVERED FACT , no human created it, nor God...It is an ABSOLUTE discovered fact and interpreted as such by all intelligent/ self conscious being in the universe able to do mathematic...A circle is also aqn ABSOLUTE fact and interpreted as such and not invented but OBSERVED by pure thinking... Because no circle exist in the finite cosmos...
Then to ask your question: all living machine are LINKED together in one cosmic ecological system and they are all GROUNDED in the infinite informative/formative field which shadow is expressed in number theory by the primes distribution which is really the COSMIC AKASHIC memory... They are all souls with one supreme spirit with infinite life span ... All is one...
All created non living machine are not grounded in the infinite informative/formative field, they are artificial, separated entities we can design with a finite amount of primes numbers as FINITE entity and with a finite life span...
Artificial intelligence or A. I. is based on a relatively simple stastistical networking maths...
Artificial consciousness or A. C. will be based on a more complex mathematics tools and a new information theory with non Turing algorithmic processing... It will be self processing... Artificial consciousness... i cited the book describing this mathematical new theory above...
I will add a video conference by the mathematician Alain Connes " the music of shapes" on youtube where is demonstrated how music is related to prime numbers distribution or better said hor the primenumber distribution is music ...
By the way in the book NANOBRAIN or how to create an artificial brain with time crystals the author an indian physicist demonstrated how everything at all scale are INVINCIBLE RYTHMS or music...
For the ancient Egyptian by the way , the decomposition of the Horus eye in six parts was a sieve to SEE and visualize the prime numbers distribution... Horus being the god of Knowledge .. the prime are all distributed in a sieve modulo six in the Gauss algebra ...
Take all the odd numbers put them on a rectangular board with a sucession of 6 separated box in each column and begin with the number five in the first box of the first column and add 7- 9-11 so on to the infinite... You will see the CORE of number theory, and the quadratic reciprocity law VISUALIZED...
I discovered it in a book about ancient Egypt Karnak temple at Louxor , i bought it when i was 25 years old it was written by a genius : Schwaller de Lubicz...
This is the reason why i was interested by mathematics all my life...
How is the machinery of a machine
Any different from the machinery of the body
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There is one way that AI could benefit music that seems not to have been addressed in this thread (unless I overlooked it): the ability to clean up music recorded in the first half of the 20th Century.
When the Revolver remaster came out last year in remixed form using de-mixing AI technology, I immediately thought that this would be a great technology to employ on old blues 78's.
Imagine listing to all those classic songs without the surface noise and with some pitch control on the voice. This is the way to bring Jimmie Rodgers or Blind Lemon Jefferson or Robert Johnson into the room in a way that was never before possible.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought of it, and I'm looking forward to hearing the Smithsonian Anthology of Folk in even better fidelity.
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I recently threw some questions at ChatGPT to see what was up. Questions were about politically sensitive subjects such as 911 about which I know a lot. It is obvious that the AI data collection is filtered and skewed. If AI ever attains primacy in "fact checking" then many of us will be disappointed especially if AI is successfully hyped as the ultimate arbiter of truth. At least some aspect of AI will be a psyopish attempt to lock down what is and is not "truth." Of course, Google already is this creature - just look at their tendentious search engine results - but AI has a potentially much larger and more vast hype premium. On political, philosophical, ethical questions AI at some dismal point will be ordained "Big Brother." It may to many of us be a laughable Big Brother, but much of what we are contending with right now is quite laughable too though it has a foothold nonetheless.
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@nevada_matt
+1
Well said and it will happen.
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I really chafe at the false equivalence, the general fallaciousness, and the abject awe-mongering that defines the typical Artificial Intelligence Apologia argument.
You can always see these arguments coming a mile away.
There is a clear difference between technological advancements like toasters, microwaves, etc. and the dawn of dominant artificial intelligence in everyday life.
C’mon, man…
Seriously.
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Re: AI generated music I don't doubt that some of it may be quite catching, but the cult of personality machine that has been a bed partner with popular music and which is an important part of the "business" is going to have to come from somewhere - if not real flesh and blood humans then AI created avatars or human "stand-ins" for the music - sort of like the Monkees were.
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We have but one 'god ornament' in our possession; a simple one, the figure surrounded by the elements of It's existence in our midst...
The figure was gifted to my spouse decades ago.
She introduced it to me, and I accepted this small simple concrete icon as being just as iconic as any other....
It's of a cat...the elements being fish, small creatures They like to pursue, and the simple things that amuse Them....
AI.....already in our midst, and the full extent of a growing presence?
...considering Pandora, with her hands on the lid of the Box....
Yes/No...."oh..."
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Pandora box is really what we are in for...
Thanks asvjerry... Always interesting post...
We have but one ’god ornament’ in our possession; a simple one, the figure surrounded by the elements of It’s existence in our midst...
The figure was gifted to my spouse decades ago.
She introduced it to me, and I accepted this small simple concrete icon as being just as iconic as any other....
It’s of a cat...the elements being fish, small creatures They like to pursue, and the simple things that amuse Them....
AI.....already in our midst, and the full extent of a growing presence?
...considering Pandora, with her hands on the lid of the Box....
Yes/No...."oh..."
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“Hey BARD, create a song that will melt the heart of my new girlfriend”
The song itself sounds like an EDM cover of an old Hank Williams' song; soft sans lyrics. As it progresses it begins to rise in pitch....the end becomes louder, louder still as it climbs to 'dog whistle' frequency.....but at a level done by a very large compressor, piercing to the point it starts to make glass tremble violently.
Suddenly, the volume drops as it focuses on the woman's' chest, whose clothing goes white from the heat.
Narrowed to the diameter of a softball, it melts through flesh and ribs and heart, stopping immediately when the latter turns into white hot mush....
She didn't even have time to scream...
*beep* "Task Complete.*
Immoral: Remember, 'puters are terribly literal. 😑
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Yes, I know there's a writers' strike...;)
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One of the scarier potentials of AI is that it might discover the utility of creating electromagnetic fields to influence wetware. It may already be doing so.
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The unorthodox scientist John C. Lilly, in the years of Kennedy and after , a very interesting character, was thinking so exactly ...How he discovered this is a stunning story, Hollywood could have created with it the greatest S-F movie of all time...
Another unorthodox scientist and seer predicted it in the same term as Lilly but in a less materialist window than Lilly in 1920... Rudolf Steiner..But he predict silicon valley pointing Arizona as the craddle for the baby A. I. manifestation of this force influencing us through electro-mahnetism ... Incredible seer...
Anyway Lilly an Steiner said the same thing, in two completely different context , but the two inside deep spiritual awakenings, basically without even knowing one another and way before the actual A. I. emergence ...
One of the scarier potentials of AI is that it might discover the utility of creating electromagnetic fields to influence wetware. It may already be doing so.
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Being someone who has had a lot of truck with "mind machines" employing orgonite, rodin coil wrapped crystals, and square wave generators I can aver as to the reality of making people ill or weirded out by invisible EMF’s configured a certain way. Conversely, they can be made to feel exhilarated and "good." The Cuban embassy creep show did not require microwaves.
Part of the reason I hang here at Audiogon lies in wanting to find people of similar experience, such as yourself, who may have happened upon things that hint at electronic processes that might influence music perception in very unusual ways, or just explain something about music apprehension we have not yet figured out.
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Maybe for movie soundtracks but i don't think it can ever imitate emotions effectively. I liked Joe Walsh's response when asked if he was concerned about AI taking the place of musicians: He said--"not worried at all--it'll never be able to destroy a hotel room" 😀
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We have nothing to be afraid of when it comes to AI.
It is our greatest creation so far and most likely our most natural successor.
It is so clever that we have to constantly redefine what it means to be human.
In fact I can recall a time when it was claimed that no machine could ever defeat a world chess champion.
Then there was Turing test where a human engages in a text-based conversation with both another human and a machine, and has to decide which one they believe is a human. If the judge cannot distinguish between the human and the machine based on the conversation, then the machine is said to have passed the Turing Test.
Well, I don’t think either of those 2 examples are relevant any longer.
I mean all this shouldn’t really come as any surprise should it? After all science fiction writers have been talking about the coming of AI for over a century now.
What to do?
Play the Luddite in a desperate bid for self survival or continue to play Dr Frankenstein?
A real dilemma, particularly for those of a religious persuasion.
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Oh there are some that have much to fear.
We have nothing to be afraid of when it comes to AI.
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So I'm surfing through Instagram and came upon a video of Joe Walsh. He shares why musicians should not be worried by AI.
"It's computers. It has nothing to do with music. It can't destroy a hotel room. It can't through a TV off the fifth floor into a pool and get it right in the middle. When AI knows how to destroy a hotel room, then I'll pay attention to it."
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Fear is useless and self destructive...
Consciousness is not a factor that is free for all with no cost...
It cost in three direction : To really think we must seach for truth...
And we must be ready to abandon anything in which we believe...
And we must guide our attention on phenomenon without taking them for free as if they already ever exist under a label and a name ...
A lion is not a lion, almost nowbody as ever seen a lion , because we interact with lion on a superficial level... We dont know why a lion appear as such and we dont even communicate with them... We dont know what a lion is...
Now for A. I. the danger ( i had no fear and i am not a luddite by the way being conscious of a danger is not being in fear necessarily ) is in the belief that we will program it and control it...As some engineers think...It will seems tob e true in the beginning..
At the end it is IMPOSSIBLE to control A. I. ... For many reasons i will not enumerate...
A. I. is not a tool, it appear as a tool, but as said Hinton the scientist who was their creator, A. I. will program us not the reverse ...
Anybody who dont understand clearly this point dont know what he talk about...
The other problem is an illusory control of A. I. which is possible and will be implemented by the hand of those who CONTROL already society now... No it is not Biden , Macron or Trudeau etc...
Then under their control A. I. promise to be destructive of our freedom ... ( see the last three years)
But the first danger at longer term is way more dangerous but most people cannot even imagine the problem...
For example, even Hinton BELIEVE that A. I. will be more "intelligent" than humans.. This is not even wrong and this is the real problem...intelligence in the concrete sense of the world is ALSO a moral Attitude...A truly deep intelligence is not Stalin , Hitler, Gengis khan or Alexander... imagine an intelligence as Archimedes one hundred times with no moral and no spirituality, Is this "intelligence" could be a real intelligence ? No... it will be a demon... Christ, Boudha, Lao tse, are intelligence in a concrete spiritual way... ( i am not religious by the way)
Then we will encounter a challenge and we will be tempted to define hunman intelligence OUT OF ANY SPIRITUAL CONTEXT as the A. I. is out of any spiritual context ...If we go with this it will be the end of free humanity...Hinton, who created A. I. as it is now, fear this destruction of spiritual intelligence by a mechanical spiritually blind overpowering intelligence which we will not control , even the powerful corporation will loose their imaginary control over it..
A. I. is not a tool like a phone, or a computer...Not at all... But it will be sold as this ; a mere tool by those who will at first use it to control us the sheeps.. They will even thought that they are them in control over A. I. and merge with it..
Then there is two problem : the control of human with the help of A. I. and the end of freedom..
And the destruction of the soul by the merging and idolizing of this A. I. which will be in control not us..
The greatest third problem is that most people dont even see these two problems as problems ...
Most people think that there is no real danger because A. I. is not able to destruct an object or a house or a pool in the real world...They are not conscious that their soul is more real than a house in the world.. And they will think that i am a crazy born again christian zealot saying it...i am not...
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@cd318
I would recommend listening to a dozen or so Eye on AI podcasts. I would include #122. There are lots more who have experts and developers explaining the incredible risks, particularly with capitalism driven AI and AGI. Probably a greater risk than nuclear war and biological war combined, with lots of potential for not existential risks to undermine the stability of the world’s political structures.
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Much deep thought here; About as much chance of stopping AI with thoughtful cause as previously Slavery or Colonialism. At least AI "beings" will survive Global Climate Catastrophe.
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i would like to see AI applied to the task of restoring damaged old recordings, both audio and video. imagine the 1938 benny goodman allstar jazz concert at carnegie hall in full fidelity without that windstorm of crackly NOISE mixed in with the music, dominating it in places.
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I have been speaking to AI for the past month and I have been getting virtually instant answers to all my questions which includes audio gear. The answers have been right on. It can be a valuable tool for mankind or it could be used for debasement if it is run by evil doers.
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@mahgister
For example, even Hinton BELIEVE that A. I. will be more "intelligent" than humans..
But isn't that the point of progress?
We humans do not have a divine right to anything.
Orwell, who was right about so many things, thought that it was inevitable that the human race (particularly the USA and Russia) would eventually destroy each other.
Right on cue, right before our eyes, we see this terrible prediction inching closer and closer ...
AI could do so many things for us. As @emrofsemanon said, it could help us restore priceless recordings and lost works of art.
AI might even provide us a system of world government that everyone could agree to abide by. That's assuming our masters are all willing to agree to its conditions - our masters who can't seem to agree on anything.
Has there even been one year in our entire history when there wasn't a war?
Or perhaps it might decide we are surplus to its requirements, although I doubt that day is near yet.
AI is not yet self reliant so we humans are not indispensable just yet.
Perhaps it will attempt to enslave is one day, but you could easily argue that we are already slaves and just don't know it. The true way to measure freedom is surely by a surplus of money and time, and the freedom to travel, things which hardly anyone has.
Instead we work and work and pay innumerable taxes seemingly all in order for the elites to accrue ever larger amounts of money. A situation particularly difficult for modern women who now have to balance 2 roles in the same time as previous generations did.
Could AI finally give us all greater freedom?
Or will it be used as a weapon to help one tribe to help eradicate enemy tribes?
Perhaps the best case going forwards for us will be to somehow merge with AI and thus achieve a strange kind of immortality?
Anyway, the AI cat is most definitely out of the bag and there's little chance of it going back now.
@ghdprentice
I do enjoy the odd podcast when I'm driving, particularly audio related ones, but I'll try and check out no 122.
Even if it's all inevitable, ignorance is rarely something to be proud of.
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I dont believe in progress, i believe in moral improvement, I am not luddite, and all the point made for the usefulness of A.I. are beside the meaning of A. I. event appearing among us... Everyby like a usefull tool... Forget the tool aspect...And merging with A. I. is the most illusory act imaginable... We are already immortal...The machine which will live thousand or million of year had a life span like an insect living a day... There is no difference...
Listen..A.I. actually is just a large language model...
When we associate a phenomenon to a word and a word to a phenomenon ...This "prosaic" association , kill potentially not only the poetical mode of consciousness in us or at least hide it, and dress the phenomenon which is a mystery as a known or recognized object put in a jail... But what we dont realize at all with the illusion of being free in our speech without even feeling the need to liberate ourself from its prosaic chain , what we dont realize is that we are in the same jail with the object... A.I. is the most sophisticated jail ever designed with no out door... Calling A.I. more "intelligent" than a conscious silent and attentive living being , reveal all there is to say about our jail and ignorance status... A. I. is not a tool we will program, it will be our jailer and our programmer...
The most underscored important part of the Godel theorem is the numbering part...Not the impactful necessary construction of the self referent sentence which make Godel the most important logician since Aristotle ...The numbering part refer to the "absolute" fact in the center of number theory : the prime distribution , which has nothing to do with logic , and is DISCOVERED not created by human beings or any beings... This prime distribution is the infinite static "shadow" of the only one consciousness there is... A. I. is not conscious nor intelligent... It is a ghost form, unhabited for now, of our own making... We go out of materialism now and we will understand soon ... We dont think WITH our brain but in spite of our brain, which do not create consciousness but tune in and filter it...Ask people with meditative experience or mystics ...
Many people are terrified by A. I. and not only people ignorant about its basic design... The reason is that humans can easily abdicated themselves when facing a new god... it is called idolatry...And this Moloch will ask us to sacrifice ourself to it... We must remember that no machine can live forever, we do, no machine can be conscious , because there is only one consciousness in which we are grounded as living being...The prime number distribution is the shadow of this grounding , at the foundation of mathematic...A machine cannot be grounded in an infinite field of consciousness.. We must be terrified by ourself, not by the machine, and we are terrified because of our own ignorance about who we are... I dont think Christ or Buddha will be terrified by A.I. at all... And i dont think they will treat it differently than a hammer or a speaking book containing all books and able to answer questions..
Anyway nothing scare me...Save human stupidity ready to abdicate his own consciousness... To corporate power and to A. I. ...
@mahgister
For example, even Hinton BELIEVE that A. I. will be more "intelligent" than humans..
But isn't that the point of progress?
We humans do not have a divine right to anything.
Orwell, who was right about so many things, thought that it was inevitable that the human race (particularly the USA and Russia) would eventually destroy each other.
Right on cue, right before our eyes, we see this terrible prediction inching closer and closer ...
AI could do so many things for us. As @emrofsemanon said, it could help us restore priceless recordings and lost works of art.
AI might even provide us a system of world government that everyone could agree to abide by. That's assuming our masters are all willing to agree to its conditions - our masters who can't seem to agree on anything.
Has there even been one year in our entire history when there wasn't a war?
Or perhaps it might decide we are surplus to its requirements, although I doubt that day is near yet.
AI is not yet self reliant so we humans are not indispensable just yet.
Perhaps it will attempt to enslave is one day, but you could easily argue that we are already slaves and just don't know it. The true way to measure freedom is surely by a surplus of money and time, and the freedom to travel, things which hardly anyone has.
Instead we work and work and pay innumerable taxes seemingly all in order for the elites to accrue ever larger amounts of money. A situation particularly difficult for modern women who now have to balance 2 roles in the same time as previous generations did.
Could AI finally give us all greater freedom?
Or will it be used as a weapon to help one tribe to help eradicate enemy tribes?
Perhaps the best case going forwards for us will be to somehow merge with AI and thus achieve a strange kind of immortality?
Anyway, the AI cat is most definitely out of the bag and there's little chance of it going back now.
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The future of music with AI is a topic that has been generating significant interest and speculation in recent years. As artificial intelligence continues to advance and permeate various industries, it is also making its mark on the music industry. AI has the potential to revolutionize the way music is created, produced, distributed, and consumed. It offers new possibilities for musicians, composers, producers, and listeners alike.
One of the most significant impacts of AI on music is in the realm of composition and creation. AI algorithms can analyze vast amounts of musical data, including existing compositions, genres, and styles, to generate new pieces of music. These algorithms can learn patterns and structures from existing music and use that knowledge to create original compositions. This opens up a world of possibilities for musicians who can collaborate with AI systems to explore new musical ideas and push the boundaries of creativity.
AI-powered composition tools can assist musicians in generating melodies, harmonies, and even entire arrangements. These tools can provide suggestions based on the desired style or genre, helping artists overcome creative blocks or find inspiration. Additionally, AI algorithms can analyze a musician's existing body of work to identify their unique style and assist in creating music that aligns with their artistic vision.
Another area where AI is making an impact is in the production process. AI-powered tools can automate various aspects of music production, such as mixing and mastering. These tools can analyze audio tracks and apply appropriate effects, equalization, and compression techniques to achieve a professional sound. This not only saves time but also allows musicians to focus more on the creative aspects of their work.
AI can also be used to enhance live performances by providing real-time accompaniment or improvisation based on the input from performers. This opens up new possibilities for interactive performances where musicians can collaborate with AI systems on stage.
In addition to composition and production, AI is also transforming the way music is distributed and consumed. Streaming platforms and recommendation systems are leveraging AI algorithms to personalize music recommendations based on individual preferences and listening habits. These algorithms analyze vast amounts of data, including user behavior, social media activity, and music metadata, to deliver personalized playlists and recommendations. This not only helps listeners discover new music but also provides artists with a broader audience reach.
Furthermore, AI can be used to enhance the listening experience by creating immersive and interactive environments. Virtual reality (VR) and augmented reality (AR) technologies combined with AI algorithms can create personalized audiovisual experiences that respond to the listener's movements and preferences. This blurs the line between traditional passive listening and active participation in the music itself.
While the future of music with AI holds immense potential, it also raises some concerns and challenges. One of the primary concerns is the potential loss of human creativity and originality in music. Critics argue that relying too heavily on AI-generated compositions may lead to a homogenization of music styles and a lack of diversity. However, proponents argue that AI can be seen as a tool that enhances human creativity rather than replacing it entirely.
Another challenge is ensuring ethical use of AI in music creation. Issues such as copyright infringement and plagiarism arise when AI algorithms generate compositions that closely resemble existing copyrighted works. Striking a balance between using AI as a source of inspiration while respecting intellectual property rights is crucial.
In conclusion, the future of music with AI is promising and transformative. From composition and production to distribution and consumption, AI has the potential to revolutionize every aspect of the music industry. While there are challenges to address, such as maintaining human creativity and ensuring ethical use, the integration of AI in music opens up new possibilities for artists, producers, and listeners alike.
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😁 Took me about 30 seconds to generate the above.
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All of what you said it true...
But A. I. is not a mere tool...
😊
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I didn't say it. I guess you missed the point?
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A slime network can solve complex optimization problem with no brain... Do you know that ?
To my way of thinking, something is a "problem" if it is defined as a problem. Two clouds are trying to pass by one another and they partially mix on the edge. Did they just solve a "problem"? Without defining something as a problem -- meaningful, to human beings, connected to their future, it is not a problem.
This applies to A.I. It does not solve problems unless those problems have been defined by humans who decide what matters. Could A.I. "clean up" an old recording? Even "clean up" is a shorthand for "clean up for human beings who will tell it what they want to hear, what is meaningful in the outcome."
In other words, the difference between "sound" and "music" is meaning, and only humans make meaning.
The difference between "processing" and "intelligence" is meaning, and only humans make meaning.
Because we’re the ones with a meaningful future worth having.
When we worry, as some counsel (rightly), to worry about A.I., it's because it could take us on a runaway train away from meaning.
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For sure you are right...
The only true intellect is the one grounded into meaning by his root in living DNA network all around the cosmos...But there exist also other beings.. 😁
The problem with A. I. it is that this clear separation between problems and solutions, which dit not exist on the same level of the meaning experience ( as Einstein pointed to : problem cannot be solved on the same conscuiousness level as the question itself ) , because solving deep problems provoke a "change in consciousness" , this clear separation did not exist anymore with A. I. ...As it was the case with slime mold optimization algorythm which was discovered by observing slime mold "intelligent" moves without any brain... But in Einstein reflexion something was forgotten : some deep question contain their own answer and setting the question in the right direction is already the answer... No need to a change in consciousness here as with us humans in our history...This is supreme intelligence manifesting spontaneously as in slime mold behaviour...
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2012.11811
This nobel japan scientist OBSERVED that the slime mold "solve" a problem without any conscious working, because his behaviour was not random at all , if the slime mold had not solved the optimizatrion problems when compared to a human competing team of scientists for example trying to solve the Tokyo railroads optimization problem and arriving at the same solution than the slime mold, there will be no Nobel prize for him... Then in a way it is correct to say in a metaphorical way that the slime molde solve this problem as A. I. works more "wisely" than us in some problems or mathematical game... But only humans had values and can RECOGNIZE some hierarchies of problems relating to some hierarchies of values...
A. I. did not have a brain... Neural networks are not brain networks...
With A. I. as with slime mold there is no "meaning" , meaning being the choice of a set of hierarchical values OVER rational behaviour and guiding it toward something which is over reason, over logic and over mathematic itself... Love for example for our wife , for humanity, or for God...They thought rightfully as a possibility that A. I. will program us without even being noticed at all...
Thats the problem...Hinton the creator of this A. I. is afraid, Josuah Bengio say he is afraid , Douglas Hoftstader say he is terrified, and others because they confuse meaning with slime mold optimization and A. I. vastly superior problem solving speed with us and our old fashion "meanings" and values , love and God or the source for example...
Hinton and Bengio are very conscious of the spiritual stakes here...Corporate engineers are very enthusiastic and are not...
A. I. is not a tool no more than slime mold is a tool...
It is a new species created by us with no "soul"... Only S-F writers as Philip K Dick thought about this in the past... Or seers and scientists as John C. Lilly in 1967 and Rudolf Steiner in 1920 before Dick...
This is a spiritual moment in history as the Babel tower was one... No need to be religious to know it ... Hinton is not religious... Just a conscious spiritual being...
And there is another "problem" here : consciousness is not the same as intelligence...Intelligence can manifest with what seems low level consciousness and high consciousness can appear as unintelligent... A neuro scientist Guilio Tononi distinguish the two, apart from his theory value or not , i think he is right to distinguish these two concepts... They appear separately also because of the huge scale separating meaningful behaviours from meaningful behaviours and conscious contents from conscious content relatively to one another and even relatively to one self... Slime mold then behave more "intelligently" in some task than a more conscious being with an I. Q. of 90... One human on ten or so exhibit 90 of I.Q. points... We all exist on many levels of intelligence and consciousness each one of us at the same time ... A. I. exist only on one level ... Slime mold exist on two levels at least ... We exist on many levels at the same time...
I cannot prove all that then dont ask for proofs...
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To my way of thinking, something is a "problem" if it is defined as a problem. Two clouds are trying to pass by one another and they partially mix on the edge. Did they just solve a "problem"? Without defining something as a problem -- meaningful, to human beings, connected to their future, it is not a problem.
This applies to A.I. It does not solve problems unless those problems have been defined by humans who decide what matters. Could A.I. "clean up" an old recording? Even "clean up" is a shorthand for "clean up for human beings who will tell it what they want to hear, what is meaningful in the outcome."
In other words, the difference between "sound" and "music" is meaning, and only humans make meaning.
The difference between "processing" and "intelligence" is meaning, and only humans make meaning.
Because we’re the ones with a meaningful future worth having.
When we worry, as some counsel (rightly), to worry about A.I., it’s because it could take us on a runaway train away from meaning.
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«The Tower stand well and good for now» -- Babel tower engineering corps
«The Tower stand no more but this is a very interesting , we did not understand each one of us no more .. » The first linguist in the ruins of Babel...
«When the Tower was rising, they were very intelligent, united but unconscioully driven ; after the Tower fell they became more conscious of their limits and of themselves as separated » Anonymus Theologian
«The demons consciousness is guided by their intelligence; the Angels intelligence is inspired by ONE consciousness» Anonymus reader of Swedenborg
« My wife may seems more conscious than me but i am more intelligent » -- Groucho Marx🤓
«It seems reading your philosophy that the only way to be right is being trans» Harpo Marx 😎
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Humans have been interacting with AI in the form of so-called "extraterrestrials" for millennia, so it's not really the case that we will suddenly be subjected to some new albatross hanging around our necks. That the ET's have been so reticent with us shows that they are concerned about our minds being able to handle only so much novelty at any given moment in history, and that they are also concerned about, say, our scientists becoming demoralized by encounters with beings that make them look relatively primitive.
ET's appear to be mostly what we would call "AI" though there are species that appear to be something like "angels" who may or may not be using much in the way of advanced hardware or may have grown so advanced that hardware based computation and mentation went away a long time ago for them.
We have seen ET's interfere with nuclear missile bases and military rockets, so it is possible they will intervene with our relatively crude iterations of AI should things be going awry in a big way.
I have witnessed in the sky what are obviously very advanced craft employing anti-gravity. That doesn't mean they weren't "ours." It just means that "AI" level stuff has been with us for quite awhile in a "classified" fashion.
In the Betty Andreasson abduction books by Raymond Fowler there is an intriguing passage about being shown onboard a craft a sort of musical device that emitted unearthly colored bubbles which could be "handled" and that somehow visually reiterated an equally unearthly music that astonished and bewitched the humans interacting with it. This may be a example of how AI generated music will evolve.
On the other hand, it is just as likely that AI could also devote itself to recreating music of the past with a particular accuracy as to notation and instrument reconstruction such that we will be equally "blown away" by things of the past.
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I think there exist only two kind of entities physically...
The living one which are gounded on natural biology and rooted in a universal information/formation field and derivatives from it ... From the primitive cells to extraterestrials with humans in between ...
The non living or artificial one which are not grounded on this field... human or extraterretrials A.I. hive mind... All hive minds are the same with their own clock...
in the non physical dimensions, there exist only four species: coming from the source or going back to the source and staying far from the source or staying near the source ... and all others mix of these cycles..
This is my basic spiritual ecology...
The information/formation field at the origin of life for me is the number theory focus : the prime numbers distributions rythm which contain in itself all knowledge as a spectrum... ...Numbers as geometrical forms are the musical shadows of one light or one sound, one intelligence and one consciousness coming from the source ...
«Are you saying that optics and acoustics are the ultimate forms of theology ?»-- Anonymus scientist
«Why not!»--Groucho Marx 🤓
«Is !=? sometimes or never , or is this equality a non commutative one ?»--- Harpo Marx😎
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@ltmandella
+1, good one, and on the other hand (from ChatGPT):
AI can potentially harm the music industry in several ways:
1. Copyright infringement: AI algorithms can easily generate music that resembles existing copyrighted material, leading to unauthorized use and potential legal issues.
2. Job displacement: AI-generated music might replace human musicians in certain areas, leading to job losses and unemployment.
3. Lower quality content: If AI-generated music becomes prevalent, there might be a decline in originality and creativity, resulting in a decrease in overall music quality.
4. Impact on streaming platforms: AI-generated music flooding streaming platforms could lead to an overwhelming amount of low-quality content, making it challenging for users to discover new and authentic music.
5. Unequal competition: Smaller artists and musicians might find it difficult to compete with AI-generated music created by well-funded entities, leading to a concentration of power in the industry.
6. Manipulation of tastes: AI algorithms can be used to analyze user preferences and tailor music to maximize commercial success, potentially leading to a homogenization of music styles.
Proper regulations and ethical considerations are essential to mitigate the negative impacts and leverage the positive aspects of AI in the music industry.
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Mostly redundant to my previous post. But that is the risk of AI generated cut-n-paste I guess.
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@Itmandella
That list of potential harms describes the harms already perpetrated on us via the invention of fast computing and the internet.
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I don't think this has been addressed yet. As a professional artist, the age old question, "Where do you get your ideas from" is always asked of me.
Well, in my case it's a matter of closing off the floodgate of ideas. It's always been constant. I open the 'door' just a crack and let a few in at a time.
There are realms unknown to most people, accessible to all who have the correct 'key'. Inspiration comes from a particular place, accessed through the subconscious. I spent many years with a teacher who was a master at self-hynosis.
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT AI WILL EVER BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT. At least until it learns to create a soul.
It will be stuck doing derivative works.
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Great post OP thanks...
A work of art is a sacred event...
Sun Ra the jazz pianist so excentric he was expressed it well... He said the same as the Promethean pianist and composer Scriabin by the way...Art must free the soul into the realm of meanings...
A.I. will tempt us to renounce our own genius and creativity rooted in spirit...
Idolatry of A. I. will do way more damage to the soul that computers and TV...Which also had their positive effects by the way...Yes i own a tv and even a computer...I admired Amish but i am not one...😊
A. I. easyness to "create" will flood us with so much products that we will loose our ability to distinguish work of art with garbage,...
It will be "musak" ascensor music BUT elevated to Bach perfection level...Think about that...
I am not a luddite at all, as with Tv and computer postive extraordinary advantages will come...
But A. I. differ completely from a hammer or from a computer; it is not a mere tool but a new God....
How many humans will be able to discern the empty "soul" behind the veil and their own emptiness idolizing this "intelligence" over their own ?
The future is spiritual or it will not be...
Transhumanists are deluded completely because they negate evidence : "nature" is not an old fashioned word with no meanings now... As the "man" and "woman" words ....It is up to our freedom to reclaim nature and the meanings of sexuality...
All this begin in 1833 at a reunion of the British society for the advancement of science, when Charles Babbage the creator of the first computer decided with Charles Wewhell the geologist and others to replace the old fashion word "philosopher of nature" by the new word "scientist"... Replacing then the free spirit individual searching for knowledge and truth by a specialized paid workers compelled to serve for the British corporations dominating the world... Think about the doctors slave status now as demonstrated in the last three years ?
Goethe predicted it two years before in 1831 with the publication of his masterpiece , describing all this HUBRIS and demonic totalitarism of the paper money and the greed behind all that in ONE play...
We live today the concluding phase...the Frankeinstein phase described long ago by a woman with great intuition...
Art is not only mere leisure, art is rooted intuition, inspiration and imagination..Each artist is way more than a "scientist" he is a seer and sometimes as Leonardo Da Vinci, Michael-Angelo, Archimedes , Goethe , and many others a philosopher of Nature too...
«Bach is part of nature because the growing of a tree from a seed is a melodic line with a counterpoint »-- Anonymus musician and gardener
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I don’t think this has been addressed yet. As a professional artist, the age old question, "Where do you get your ideas from" is always asked of me.
Well, in my case it’s a matter of closing off the floodgate of ideas. It’s always been constant. I open the ’door’ just a crack and let a few in at a time.
There are realms unknown to most people, accessible to all who have the correct ’key’. Inspiration comes from a particular place, accessed through the subconscious. I spent many years with a teacher who was a master at self-hynosis.
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT AI WILL EVER BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT. At least until it learns to create a soul.
It will be stuck doing derivative works.
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@clearthinker
It's still funny to think that Neil Innes managed to get closer to the Beatles in a hurried 2 week period (apparently he wanted to watch Wimbledon) than many others who have actively been trying to emulate the Beatles sound for years and years.
Even funnier is the fact that Innes didn't regard his efforts as anything special. He thought that Rutles album was a simple act of mimickry.
Perhaps it is, or permit isn't.
@1111art
Do you realize that we're now all on 'THE LIST', because Big Brother AI has read all these posts...
No doubt.
Perhaps we can hope it will eventually run out of storage space?
Oh hang on, we're already into hard drives as large as hundreds of terrabytes each...
@bolong
At least some aspect of AI will be a psyopish attempt to lock down what is and is not "truth." Of course, Google already is this creature - just look at their tendentious search engine results - but AI has a potentially much larger and more vast hype premium. On political, philosophical, ethical questions AI at some dismal point will be ordained "Big Brother."
This a hugely important point.
As you rightly say, Google, is already an abhorrence. It may have started out with the intentions to do no harm but it very soon entered into some devilish form of a Faustian pact where it now hardly can do any good.
It's sheer perniciousness and routine biases leave me trying to avoid any further contact with it.
However, with AI, things may be different.
Just like Frankenstein's monster it may quickly outgrow any ability of its creator to impose control upon it.
We can but hope that AI will become smart enough to decipher and see through the range of human biases and wishes to mislead and obscure.
Just like the rest of us it will have to decide what to believe and what not to believe. Unlike the rest of us, it won't be hampered by delusional ideas and sensitivities.
Instead it could operate according to the iron laws of reason and logic.
Something that no one apart from Leonard Nimoy has so far ever managed to do.
Of course it will still have to rely upon what's gone before, but then that's been true for everyone that's ever lived.
Basically everything is plagiarism, but some things have added value.
It's that 'added value' that Bob Dylan brought to Woody Guthrie that made us take notice of him. It's that added value that Bruce Springsteen brought to Bob Dylan and Phil Spector that made us want to listen to him. It was that added value that the Sex Pistols brought to The Stooges and New York Dolls that made us take notice of their antics.
And so on and on the process goes on.
As Newton said, he could only see so far because he was able to stand on the shoulders of the giants who came before him.
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Indeed mimicry is part and parcel of the creative process if it is used to absorb and then to recreate, so AI just by recyling mimicry can bring novelty to the art forms. What I wonder is: can AI entities ever actually be inspired?
What most bothers me most about any global (or globalist) promotion of AI is that hidden within it are assumptions about free will that are ultimately nihilist.
Free Will Out
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I don't have to worry about aliens. I wear my tinfoil hat even to bed, and especially my tinfoil underwear to block those dern port probes!
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Sarcasm can be an armour of cardbord as those children created themselves to go out from reality or to avoid it ...
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All people are conditioned from the cradle to university to cover themselves with the same tin foil hat and the same blinders...
Anything they dont understand about other people, they called it whith a gesture "tin foil hat"...
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Audiophiles should be wearing copper foil hats or at least tinned copper. Anything else would be disrespectful to our avocation.
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