The 60 Minutes segment on Google's new AI program BARD was truly thought-provoking. The capabilities showcased are both astonishing and a bit unsettling. Considering its ability to generate content across various domains, the potential impact on music is intriguing. Imagine the fusion of AI with the essence of legendary eras, like the Beatles from the Rubber Soul era. It could revolutionize music creation, blending the familiar with the novel. And as for crafting personalized, heartfelt songs, having AI assist in capturing emotions could be an innovative way to convey feelings. However, the challenge lies in maintaining the authenticity and human touch that music brings. It's an exciting prospect, but striking the right balance will be crucial.
It's interesting to have music, and the choice for an apk app about online music.
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You judge people very harshly and very rapidly...
I own a computer and i am not a Amish...
But you completely dont understand what is at stake...
You think that A. I. is like a can opener or a computer...
And you think that music is a set of organized sounds , nevermind the spirit behind...
I will not repeat all my posts here...
If you qualify me as a "bigot" who use prejudice as an "excuse for a mind" ; you are the perfect sleepwalker, and you dont even know what is "progress", and it is not technologically related AT ALL...If you think so then you are like the Spaniards killing Indians and aztecs as sub humans because they were technologically inferior ... Progress is only MORAL...After this murders century with machine progress we learned this...
And what is at stake here with A. I. the scientist who created the neural networks mathematical design , Geoffrey Hinton himself , think the same as those you called "luddites" or "bigots"...In a word , our sleepwalking corporate controlled society is not ready for this "tool" which is not a tool at all...
And no, Beethoven and Scriabin cannot be replaced by machines , guess why in your "vast" progressive mind ? It is because their musical choices were not only inspired by the past set of sounds but they were ethical choices , expressed VALUES, no machine can emulate...Beethoven is not musak ascensor music... Science cannot decide for us about values and freedom..
But believe me, the day A. C. will come , artificial conscuiousness , and it will be sooner than later, way over A. I. , you will begin to understand WHY A. I. is not a mere tool and why applauding for the progress is to be sleeping ...
And you will begin to understand what a "soul" is...
The soul is connected and grounded in a universal infinite information field... A. C. cannot be grounded in an infinite field as all living interconned entities from primitive cell to over humans...
The mathematics behind A. C. is already here... It is way over neural network maths... But it is grounded in a finite number of primes...
Read the Book : Nanobrains by anirban... You see , i am a very informed "luddite"... Perhaps you are a "retarded" transhumanists ?
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This article will explain to you why there must be an "information field" :
https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1693250&dswid=7460
And this video will explain to you the relation of this information field with time itself :
Alain Connes the music of shapes on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z52ZAPrRbqE&t=521s
After that you will begin to undeerstand why we cannot replace life by machine, even by " artificially conscious machines"...
And yes intelligence and consciousness dont coincide at all and A.C. is and will be captive of this material universe with "no soul" or no spiritual connection to the universal informative field... I call it the "source" some call it God... It is the same... Then creating A.C. would be a great spiritual burden... The movie "Blade Runner" is no more impossible science fiction...
it is not necessary to thank me...
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"Only men can create hell " -- A children of Faust
Well, it’s not like anyone has a time machine and can go back in time to kill the person who was inventing the Hurdy-Gurdy.
Or the “Jews Harp.” MAN those are annoying…
Reminds me of a story about Keith Jarrett’s air of superiority about not using a “synthesizer” as it was beneath his dignity as a REAL musician.
Harpsichord makers wept.
Fact is, AI’s can, do and will create music insofar as we have a functional anthropocentric definition of the verb “to create” and some bigots will forever exclude anyone or anything’s contribution to music if that entity doesn’t meet certain specific criteria in THEIR minuscule excuses for a mind.
Change is a funny thing. Evolution is a funny thing. Creation too is “funny” whether that’s funny ha-ha or funny OMG! is up to the listener/consumer.
Oh, I know, let’s pass a LAW that ONLY human-created music is MUSIC and can be copyrighted and money earned therefrom.
buggy whip makers wept when Henry Ford’s Model T’s began rolling off assembly lines. It was much too late for protectionism. Should we still have horse/buggies instead of ICE automobiles?
FWIW.
Chatter among yourselves.
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Well, it’s not like anyone has a time machine and can go back in time to kill the person who was inventing the Hurdy-Gurdy.
Or the “Jews Harp.” MAN those are annoying…
Reminds me of a story about Keith Jarrett’s air of superiority about not using a “synthesizer” as it was beneath his dignity as a REAL musician.
Harpsichord makers wept.
Fact is, AI’s can, do and will create music insofar as we have a functional anthropocentric definition of the verb “to create” and some bigots will forever exclude anyone or anything’s contribution to music if that entity doesn’t meet certain specific criteria in THEIR minuscule excuses for a mind.
Change is a funny thing. Evolution is a funny thing. Creation too is “funny” whether that’s funny ha-ha or funny OMG! is up to the listener/consumer.
Oh, I know, let’s pass a LAW that ONLY human-created music is MUSIC and can be copyrighted and money earned therefrom.
buggy whip makers wept when Henry Ford’s Model T’s began rolling off assembly lines. It was much too late for protectionism. Should we still have horse/buggies instead of ICE automobiles?
FWIW.
Chatter among yourselves.
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"Men jail themselves in a cell which is perfectly measured and described in their maps, but there is no borders nor any cell in the real world."
Unfortunately that is a biological necessity of survival.
However, unless you're literally fighting for your survival every hour every day there's no good reason to confine yourself to any cell smaller than your personal requirements for survival insist upon.
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«Men jail themselves in a cell which is perfectly measured and described in their maps, but there is no borders nor any cell in the real world»-- Anonymus "anthropologist on mars"
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You are not a sleepwalker bolong ... 😊
You are completely right...
It is why people think A. I. is a MERE tool...Thats all...
A great book about this is "the Master and his emissary" by Iain Mc Gilchrist,... It is the shorter version of his last 1,500 pages book... It is a neuroscientist...
He studied the way the attention work in the brain...
In simplistic term you have one half of us who live in a map not on the terrain..
Living in the map we reduce the terrain to details we wrote in the new maps without being conscious of the whole terrain out of the map... We sleepwalk as robot in their map...
It is a caricature of his main point about the two modalities of the conscious/subconscious/unconscious attention working...One modality is centered on details and their abstraction , the other look at the periphery and on details as part of the whole out of any possible map...
In sleepwalking mode, even very intelligent people , see the A. I. as a mere tool and see those who see more are against progress...Luddite so to speak... They are unable to get the point we spoke about... The spiritual problem is invisible for them...
See the debate between Josuah Bengio and Yann Le Cun ... 2 very smart A. I. designers one listening his non mechanical intuition and the other not at all...
It would be comical like a Laurel- Hardy movie, but it is a tragedy in the making...
To the extent that we all at times act and think mechanically (as Jiddhu Krishnamurti used to say) then we have been living with artificial intelligence for darn near forever already.
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To the extent that we all at times act and think mechanically (as Jiddhu Krishnamurti used to say) then we have been living with artificial intelligence for darn near forever already.
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Interesting news! thanks for sharing...
For the time being A.I. is not the problem, it will be later; now the problem are those who use and control it for their agenda, not the common good...
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The Writers Guild of America with its 11,500 members went on strike at the start of May.
One of their demands was that the use of AI would be limited in the future for screenwriting purposes.
As an outsider it's difficult to see how they can get the other party, the Alliance of Motion Pictures and Television Producers, to agree to this.
Anyway, it should be interesting to see how this eventually pans out.
In any case, if they were going to do this, then obviously the sooner they did, the better their chances of getting some concessions.
The increasing use of AI is certainly a hot topic right now.
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In the temple Of eleusis where those who wanted to experiment truth were put under a heavy veil of privation for all their senses, those so prepared died for a moment and were revived and tell their tale...
In all hospitals around the world since the Book of Raymond Moody the same revival take place in a perfectly controlled medical environment...
Then i guess you are right...
Behind the veil no A. I. pass the Turing test...
In contact with the universal informative/formative field of the ONE consciousness, no machine can imitate intelligence no more...
Here is the real Turing Test.
Could Not Unsee It
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I had a good friend who was an engineer for one of the commerical radio stations in S.F.
He operated a pirate station for a couple years off and on, broadcasting from his home in the Richmond district, where I also lived.
We hung out in the same coffee shop and got to talking, and we both had telescopes of fairly good calibre (mine is a 6" russian Mak-Newt). So we did a couple of viewing events at his place.
Anyway in the coffee shop one day, talking about astronomy and chances of life in the Universe, he stated there were definitely aliens. He said they were already on the planet. I asked which cities, he said all major cities. I asked if S.F.? He said yes. I asked where are they. He said amongst us. I asked: in this coffee shop right now? He said yes.
That’s when I started wearing my aluminum foil hat and underpants to bed every night, and I haven’t had a port probe since!
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True genius is not mere intelligence...
A fox like Bill Gates the richest man on earth who screw us all in the last three years is not Buddha...
Beating humans on any game and recitating all knowledge of the world is not genius...
When Ramanujan discovered the thousands of mathematical formulas that nobody ever think about, and which revolutionize mathematics, because they were towering complexities, with NO DEMONSTRATION about their truth for any of them , Hardy and Littlewood ask him how in the world he could even imagine as true so complex formulas ? He answered, Namagiri the knowledge goddess taught him about them each night... And he was speaking only truths in his life nor sarcasms or poetical claims by the way...
At the times Hardy and Littlewood were the best mathematicians in the world with few others and they concluded their life works writing that there were only dwarves compared to this Indian Man who was treated in 1914 as an inferior human being from an uncivilized world by most people in England... 😊 He died at 32 years old.. Read his biography...
The goal of life is not being more intelligent , it is being more spiritual and moral being then more CONSCIOUS...
Why ?
Because all knowledge is ALREADY there but cannot be access by beast...It is the universal informative/formative field whose shadow is number theory itself and geometry ..
I believe myself only in number theory and in the source... The only ONE intelligent and conscious is the Source...Call it God ...
Then A. I. is a tool which is a trap for those of us who dont understand who they really are to begin with...
«Intelligence is way overevaluated»--Groucho Marx 🤓
If the entire purpose of existence was to attempt to attain some godlike level of thought, then AI could be our shortcut.
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Some might say that it's just another example of mankind's elevated sense of self importance to even begin to think of resisting AI, nevermind still feeling superior in some mysterious way.
If the entire purpose of existence was to attempt to attain some godlike level of thought, then AI could be our shortcut.
We just need to find some way to safely fit those AI chips into our brains.
Who can guess the number of realms of ecstasy that might await us there?
At the very least, each one of us could attain a previously undreamt level of genius.
In the last 25 years chess engines have not only passed any previous level attained by any human but they getting better at a faster rate than we are.
It would appear to be true that we have been guilty of overestimating the human mind and its intelligence and those particular chickens will soon be coming home to roost.
Perhaps the invention of the pocket calculator was only the thin edge of the wedge?
We gave them an inch and they took everything.
"The future's coming fast and we can't run from it." as Billy Bragg once warned.
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Listen this interview relatively short with Josuah Bengio... One of the leading A. I. designer... With Hinton and Le Cun and others..
He is right in my book...
He does not adress the spiritual danger i spoke about but almost nobody does save seers and very intuitive people... Only the material danger... Nevermind he is not sleepwalking dude whith the song which play first a the music chart right now :
" Nevermind stress and doom,any boom is progress!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RknkWgd6Ck
It is useless to be afraid, it is more useless to never think because it could introduce fears in us , we must think to stay conscious...There is no mechanical "on" "off" button on our body where it read : "Push this button and be conscious"...
«Thinking is like walking the dog in our head, we go out of our usual way and stay away from crowdy roads»--Groucho Marx 🤓
As a side note: the only point i differ with Bengio is when he says there is no Ghost in the machine as there is no ghost in your head... I believe because i sense it that my brain is a filter not the cause of my consciousness, then any machine can be the house for a ghost; think about it that way metaphorically speaking, the machine is discrete as atoms are but the ghost is wavelike... Science is right but animist sorcerer are right too... Superstitions as useless beliefs inhabit science as religions ... Any other way of thinking is less arrogance than ignorance... Consciousness exist in a way no material object can... Read this physicist for an easy glimpse about this deep matter :
Wolfgang Smith : The vertical causation
or his other book the Quantum enigma...
He distinguishes phenomenal reality from physical measured reality, as Wolgang Pauli did when working with Carl Gustav Jung...
«Sorry , my wife is a machine with no ghost inside »-- Groucho Marx 🤓
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Zappa blew my mind at 15 years old.. I never regain ...
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Ah, friend @mahgister ....
It could....and likely, may be...worse....
...to the point of bizarre....
"This is the Central Scruuuuuutinizer...
The White Zone is for loading and unloading only...
If you gotta load or if you gotta unload
Go to the White Zone, you'll love it, it's a way of life
That's right! You'll love it, it's a way of life, that's right
You'll love it, a way of life, right, love it...
This is the Central Scrutinizer..."
From Joe's Garage. Acts I, II, & III. Frank Zappa....of course...
A glimmer of hope, tho'...
Blows against the empire BY the empire... ;)
A self eating tale....*L*
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The reason why i think A. I. could be and will be useful in music is about acoustic and psycho-acoustic analysis and controls...
Nothing else...
I am not interested by music generated by A. I. and played by A. I. at all...
Why ?
Because when i listen music the "imperfect" interpretating playing of a musician matter as much as the written piece, and no A. I. can interpret Scriabin without beeing able to FEEL him and his music... It is the same thing in Jazz... or as with Nikhil Banerjhee playing a raga on his sitar... Forget it...
A. I. music will be to music as cartoon books compared to Shakespeare..
Apart Acoustic control A. I. will be escalator perfect music on par with Bach... 😊Thats all...but A. I. will shine and help in acoustic factors controls...
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Someone needs to develop a mobile Faraday suit, so we can be 'invisible' to Big Bro.
If anyone has Netflix, I suggest you watch Black Mirror Season 6, episode 1.
It's part of the reason the writers and actors continue to be on strike. Plus you'll get to marvel at how Salma Hayek has held up...
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How 'bout some Ti to foil the AI ? 😏
Foiled again.....*sigh*
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Audiophiles should be wearing copper foil hats or at least tinned copper. Anything else would be disrespectful to our avocation.
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Sarcasm can be an armour of cardbord as those children created themselves to go out from reality or to avoid it ...
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All people are conditioned from the cradle to university to cover themselves with the same tin foil hat and the same blinders...
Anything they dont understand about other people, they called it whith a gesture "tin foil hat"...
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I don't have to worry about aliens. I wear my tinfoil hat even to bed, and especially my tinfoil underwear to block those dern port probes!
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Indeed mimicry is part and parcel of the creative process if it is used to absorb and then to recreate, so AI just by recyling mimicry can bring novelty to the art forms. What I wonder is: can AI entities ever actually be inspired?
What most bothers me most about any global (or globalist) promotion of AI is that hidden within it are assumptions about free will that are ultimately nihilist.
Free Will Out
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@clearthinker
It's still funny to think that Neil Innes managed to get closer to the Beatles in a hurried 2 week period (apparently he wanted to watch Wimbledon) than many others who have actively been trying to emulate the Beatles sound for years and years.
Even funnier is the fact that Innes didn't regard his efforts as anything special. He thought that Rutles album was a simple act of mimickry.
Perhaps it is, or permit isn't.
@1111art
Do you realize that we're now all on 'THE LIST', because Big Brother AI has read all these posts...
No doubt.
Perhaps we can hope it will eventually run out of storage space?
Oh hang on, we're already into hard drives as large as hundreds of terrabytes each...
@bolong
At least some aspect of AI will be a psyopish attempt to lock down what is and is not "truth." Of course, Google already is this creature - just look at their tendentious search engine results - but AI has a potentially much larger and more vast hype premium. On political, philosophical, ethical questions AI at some dismal point will be ordained "Big Brother."
This a hugely important point.
As you rightly say, Google, is already an abhorrence. It may have started out with the intentions to do no harm but it very soon entered into some devilish form of a Faustian pact where it now hardly can do any good.
It's sheer perniciousness and routine biases leave me trying to avoid any further contact with it.
However, with AI, things may be different.
Just like Frankenstein's monster it may quickly outgrow any ability of its creator to impose control upon it.
We can but hope that AI will become smart enough to decipher and see through the range of human biases and wishes to mislead and obscure.
Just like the rest of us it will have to decide what to believe and what not to believe. Unlike the rest of us, it won't be hampered by delusional ideas and sensitivities.
Instead it could operate according to the iron laws of reason and logic.
Something that no one apart from Leonard Nimoy has so far ever managed to do.
Of course it will still have to rely upon what's gone before, but then that's been true for everyone that's ever lived.
Basically everything is plagiarism, but some things have added value.
It's that 'added value' that Bob Dylan brought to Woody Guthrie that made us take notice of him. It's that added value that Bruce Springsteen brought to Bob Dylan and Phil Spector that made us want to listen to him. It was that added value that the Sex Pistols brought to The Stooges and New York Dolls that made us take notice of their antics.
And so on and on the process goes on.
As Newton said, he could only see so far because he was able to stand on the shoulders of the giants who came before him.
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Great post OP thanks...
A work of art is a sacred event...
Sun Ra the jazz pianist so excentric he was expressed it well... He said the same as the Promethean pianist and composer Scriabin by the way...Art must free the soul into the realm of meanings...
A.I. will tempt us to renounce our own genius and creativity rooted in spirit...
Idolatry of A. I. will do way more damage to the soul that computers and TV...Which also had their positive effects by the way...Yes i own a tv and even a computer...I admired Amish but i am not one...😊
A. I. easyness to "create" will flood us with so much products that we will loose our ability to distinguish work of art with garbage,...
It will be "musak" ascensor music BUT elevated to Bach perfection level...Think about that...
I am not a luddite at all, as with Tv and computer postive extraordinary advantages will come...
But A. I. differ completely from a hammer or from a computer; it is not a mere tool but a new God....
How many humans will be able to discern the empty "soul" behind the veil and their own emptiness idolizing this "intelligence" over their own ?
The future is spiritual or it will not be...
Transhumanists are deluded completely because they negate evidence : "nature" is not an old fashioned word with no meanings now... As the "man" and "woman" words ....It is up to our freedom to reclaim nature and the meanings of sexuality...
All this begin in 1833 at a reunion of the British society for the advancement of science, when Charles Babbage the creator of the first computer decided with Charles Wewhell the geologist and others to replace the old fashion word "philosopher of nature" by the new word "scientist"... Replacing then the free spirit individual searching for knowledge and truth by a specialized paid workers compelled to serve for the British corporations dominating the world... Think about the doctors slave status now as demonstrated in the last three years ?
Goethe predicted it two years before in 1831 with the publication of his masterpiece , describing all this HUBRIS and demonic totalitarism of the paper money and the greed behind all that in ONE play...
We live today the concluding phase...the Frankeinstein phase described long ago by a woman with great intuition...
Art is not only mere leisure, art is rooted intuition, inspiration and imagination..Each artist is way more than a "scientist" he is a seer and sometimes as Leonardo Da Vinci, Michael-Angelo, Archimedes , Goethe , and many others a philosopher of Nature too...
«Bach is part of nature because the growing of a tree from a seed is a melodic line with a counterpoint »-- Anonymus musician and gardener
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I don’t think this has been addressed yet. As a professional artist, the age old question, "Where do you get your ideas from" is always asked of me.
Well, in my case it’s a matter of closing off the floodgate of ideas. It’s always been constant. I open the ’door’ just a crack and let a few in at a time.
There are realms unknown to most people, accessible to all who have the correct ’key’. Inspiration comes from a particular place, accessed through the subconscious. I spent many years with a teacher who was a master at self-hynosis.
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT AI WILL EVER BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT. At least until it learns to create a soul.
It will be stuck doing derivative works.
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I don't think this has been addressed yet. As a professional artist, the age old question, "Where do you get your ideas from" is always asked of me.
Well, in my case it's a matter of closing off the floodgate of ideas. It's always been constant. I open the 'door' just a crack and let a few in at a time.
There are realms unknown to most people, accessible to all who have the correct 'key'. Inspiration comes from a particular place, accessed through the subconscious. I spent many years with a teacher who was a master at self-hynosis.
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT AI WILL EVER BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT. At least until it learns to create a soul.
It will be stuck doing derivative works.
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@Itmandella
That list of potential harms describes the harms already perpetrated on us via the invention of fast computing and the internet.
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Mostly redundant to my previous post. But that is the risk of AI generated cut-n-paste I guess.
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@ltmandella
+1, good one, and on the other hand (from ChatGPT):
AI can potentially harm the music industry in several ways:
1. Copyright infringement: AI algorithms can easily generate music that resembles existing copyrighted material, leading to unauthorized use and potential legal issues.
2. Job displacement: AI-generated music might replace human musicians in certain areas, leading to job losses and unemployment.
3. Lower quality content: If AI-generated music becomes prevalent, there might be a decline in originality and creativity, resulting in a decrease in overall music quality.
4. Impact on streaming platforms: AI-generated music flooding streaming platforms could lead to an overwhelming amount of low-quality content, making it challenging for users to discover new and authentic music.
5. Unequal competition: Smaller artists and musicians might find it difficult to compete with AI-generated music created by well-funded entities, leading to a concentration of power in the industry.
6. Manipulation of tastes: AI algorithms can be used to analyze user preferences and tailor music to maximize commercial success, potentially leading to a homogenization of music styles.
Proper regulations and ethical considerations are essential to mitigate the negative impacts and leverage the positive aspects of AI in the music industry.
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I think there exist only two kind of entities physically...
The living one which are gounded on natural biology and rooted in a universal information/formation field and derivatives from it ... From the primitive cells to extraterestrials with humans in between ...
The non living or artificial one which are not grounded on this field... human or extraterretrials A.I. hive mind... All hive minds are the same with their own clock...
in the non physical dimensions, there exist only four species: coming from the source or going back to the source and staying far from the source or staying near the source ... and all others mix of these cycles..
This is my basic spiritual ecology...
The information/formation field at the origin of life for me is the number theory focus : the prime numbers distributions rythm which contain in itself all knowledge as a spectrum... ...Numbers as geometrical forms are the musical shadows of one light or one sound, one intelligence and one consciousness coming from the source ...
«Are you saying that optics and acoustics are the ultimate forms of theology ?»-- Anonymus scientist
«Why not!»--Groucho Marx 🤓
«Is !=? sometimes or never , or is this equality a non commutative one ?»--- Harpo Marx😎
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Humans have been interacting with AI in the form of so-called "extraterrestrials" for millennia, so it's not really the case that we will suddenly be subjected to some new albatross hanging around our necks. That the ET's have been so reticent with us shows that they are concerned about our minds being able to handle only so much novelty at any given moment in history, and that they are also concerned about, say, our scientists becoming demoralized by encounters with beings that make them look relatively primitive.
ET's appear to be mostly what we would call "AI" though there are species that appear to be something like "angels" who may or may not be using much in the way of advanced hardware or may have grown so advanced that hardware based computation and mentation went away a long time ago for them.
We have seen ET's interfere with nuclear missile bases and military rockets, so it is possible they will intervene with our relatively crude iterations of AI should things be going awry in a big way.
I have witnessed in the sky what are obviously very advanced craft employing anti-gravity. That doesn't mean they weren't "ours." It just means that "AI" level stuff has been with us for quite awhile in a "classified" fashion.
In the Betty Andreasson abduction books by Raymond Fowler there is an intriguing passage about being shown onboard a craft a sort of musical device that emitted unearthly colored bubbles which could be "handled" and that somehow visually reiterated an equally unearthly music that astonished and bewitched the humans interacting with it. This may be a example of how AI generated music will evolve.
On the other hand, it is just as likely that AI could also devote itself to recreating music of the past with a particular accuracy as to notation and instrument reconstruction such that we will be equally "blown away" by things of the past.
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«The Tower stand well and good for now» -- Babel tower engineering corps
«The Tower stand no more but this is a very interesting , we did not understand each one of us no more .. » The first linguist in the ruins of Babel...
«When the Tower was rising, they were very intelligent, united but unconscioully driven ; after the Tower fell they became more conscious of their limits and of themselves as separated » Anonymus Theologian
«The demons consciousness is guided by their intelligence; the Angels intelligence is inspired by ONE consciousness» Anonymus reader of Swedenborg
« My wife may seems more conscious than me but i am more intelligent » -- Groucho Marx🤓
«It seems reading your philosophy that the only way to be right is being trans» Harpo Marx 😎
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For sure you are right...
The only true intellect is the one grounded into meaning by his root in living DNA network all around the cosmos...But there exist also other beings.. 😁
The problem with A. I. it is that this clear separation between problems and solutions, which dit not exist on the same level of the meaning experience ( as Einstein pointed to : problem cannot be solved on the same conscuiousness level as the question itself ) , because solving deep problems provoke a "change in consciousness" , this clear separation did not exist anymore with A. I. ...As it was the case with slime mold optimization algorythm which was discovered by observing slime mold "intelligent" moves without any brain... But in Einstein reflexion something was forgotten : some deep question contain their own answer and setting the question in the right direction is already the answer... No need to a change in consciousness here as with us humans in our history...This is supreme intelligence manifesting spontaneously as in slime mold behaviour...
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2012.11811
This nobel japan scientist OBSERVED that the slime mold "solve" a problem without any conscious working, because his behaviour was not random at all , if the slime mold had not solved the optimizatrion problems when compared to a human competing team of scientists for example trying to solve the Tokyo railroads optimization problem and arriving at the same solution than the slime mold, there will be no Nobel prize for him... Then in a way it is correct to say in a metaphorical way that the slime molde solve this problem as A. I. works more "wisely" than us in some problems or mathematical game... But only humans had values and can RECOGNIZE some hierarchies of problems relating to some hierarchies of values...
A. I. did not have a brain... Neural networks are not brain networks...
With A. I. as with slime mold there is no "meaning" , meaning being the choice of a set of hierarchical values OVER rational behaviour and guiding it toward something which is over reason, over logic and over mathematic itself... Love for example for our wife , for humanity, or for God...They thought rightfully as a possibility that A. I. will program us without even being noticed at all...
Thats the problem...Hinton the creator of this A. I. is afraid, Josuah Bengio say he is afraid , Douglas Hoftstader say he is terrified, and others because they confuse meaning with slime mold optimization and A. I. vastly superior problem solving speed with us and our old fashion "meanings" and values , love and God or the source for example...
Hinton and Bengio are very conscious of the spiritual stakes here...Corporate engineers are very enthusiastic and are not...
A. I. is not a tool no more than slime mold is a tool...
It is a new species created by us with no "soul"... Only S-F writers as Philip K Dick thought about this in the past... Or seers and scientists as John C. Lilly in 1967 and Rudolf Steiner in 1920 before Dick...
This is a spiritual moment in history as the Babel tower was one... No need to be religious to know it ... Hinton is not religious... Just a conscious spiritual being...
And there is another "problem" here : consciousness is not the same as intelligence...Intelligence can manifest with what seems low level consciousness and high consciousness can appear as unintelligent... A neuro scientist Guilio Tononi distinguish the two, apart from his theory value or not , i think he is right to distinguish these two concepts... They appear separately also because of the huge scale separating meaningful behaviours from meaningful behaviours and conscious contents from conscious content relatively to one another and even relatively to one self... Slime mold then behave more "intelligently" in some task than a more conscious being with an I. Q. of 90... One human on ten or so exhibit 90 of I.Q. points... We all exist on many levels of intelligence and consciousness each one of us at the same time ... A. I. exist only on one level ... Slime mold exist on two levels at least ... We exist on many levels at the same time...
I cannot prove all that then dont ask for proofs...
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To my way of thinking, something is a "problem" if it is defined as a problem. Two clouds are trying to pass by one another and they partially mix on the edge. Did they just solve a "problem"? Without defining something as a problem -- meaningful, to human beings, connected to their future, it is not a problem.
This applies to A.I. It does not solve problems unless those problems have been defined by humans who decide what matters. Could A.I. "clean up" an old recording? Even "clean up" is a shorthand for "clean up for human beings who will tell it what they want to hear, what is meaningful in the outcome."
In other words, the difference between "sound" and "music" is meaning, and only humans make meaning.
The difference between "processing" and "intelligence" is meaning, and only humans make meaning.
Because we’re the ones with a meaningful future worth having.
When we worry, as some counsel (rightly), to worry about A.I., it’s because it could take us on a runaway train away from meaning.
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A slime network can solve complex optimization problem with no brain... Do you know that ?
To my way of thinking, something is a "problem" if it is defined as a problem. Two clouds are trying to pass by one another and they partially mix on the edge. Did they just solve a "problem"? Without defining something as a problem -- meaningful, to human beings, connected to their future, it is not a problem.
This applies to A.I. It does not solve problems unless those problems have been defined by humans who decide what matters. Could A.I. "clean up" an old recording? Even "clean up" is a shorthand for "clean up for human beings who will tell it what they want to hear, what is meaningful in the outcome."
In other words, the difference between "sound" and "music" is meaning, and only humans make meaning.
The difference between "processing" and "intelligence" is meaning, and only humans make meaning.
Because we’re the ones with a meaningful future worth having.
When we worry, as some counsel (rightly), to worry about A.I., it's because it could take us on a runaway train away from meaning.
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I didn't say it. I guess you missed the point?
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All of what you said it true...
But A. I. is not a mere tool...
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😁 Took me about 30 seconds to generate the above.
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The future of music with AI is a topic that has been generating significant interest and speculation in recent years. As artificial intelligence continues to advance and permeate various industries, it is also making its mark on the music industry. AI has the potential to revolutionize the way music is created, produced, distributed, and consumed. It offers new possibilities for musicians, composers, producers, and listeners alike.
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While the future of music with AI holds immense potential, it also raises some concerns and challenges. One of the primary concerns is the potential loss of human creativity and originality in music. Critics argue that relying too heavily on AI-generated compositions may lead to a homogenization of music styles and a lack of diversity. However, proponents argue that AI can be seen as a tool that enhances human creativity rather than replacing it entirely.
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In conclusion, the future of music with AI is promising and transformative. From composition and production to distribution and consumption, AI has the potential to revolutionize every aspect of the music industry. While there are challenges to address, such as maintaining human creativity and ensuring ethical use, the integration of AI in music opens up new possibilities for artists, producers, and listeners alike.
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I dont believe in progress, i believe in moral improvement, I am not luddite, and all the point made for the usefulness of A.I. are beside the meaning of A. I. event appearing among us... Everyby like a usefull tool... Forget the tool aspect...And merging with A. I. is the most illusory act imaginable... We are already immortal...The machine which will live thousand or million of year had a life span like an insect living a day... There is no difference...
Listen..A.I. actually is just a large language model...
When we associate a phenomenon to a word and a word to a phenomenon ...This "prosaic" association , kill potentially not only the poetical mode of consciousness in us or at least hide it, and dress the phenomenon which is a mystery as a known or recognized object put in a jail... But what we dont realize at all with the illusion of being free in our speech without even feeling the need to liberate ourself from its prosaic chain , what we dont realize is that we are in the same jail with the object... A.I. is the most sophisticated jail ever designed with no out door... Calling A.I. more "intelligent" than a conscious silent and attentive living being , reveal all there is to say about our jail and ignorance status... A. I. is not a tool we will program, it will be our jailer and our programmer...
The most underscored important part of the Godel theorem is the numbering part...Not the impactful necessary construction of the self referent sentence which make Godel the most important logician since Aristotle ...The numbering part refer to the "absolute" fact in the center of number theory : the prime distribution , which has nothing to do with logic , and is DISCOVERED not created by human beings or any beings... This prime distribution is the infinite static "shadow" of the only one consciousness there is... A. I. is not conscious nor intelligent... It is a ghost form, unhabited for now, of our own making... We go out of materialism now and we will understand soon ... We dont think WITH our brain but in spite of our brain, which do not create consciousness but tune in and filter it...Ask people with meditative experience or mystics ...
Many people are terrified by A. I. and not only people ignorant about its basic design... The reason is that humans can easily abdicated themselves when facing a new god... it is called idolatry...And this Moloch will ask us to sacrifice ourself to it... We must remember that no machine can live forever, we do, no machine can be conscious , because there is only one consciousness in which we are grounded as living being...The prime number distribution is the shadow of this grounding , at the foundation of mathematic...A machine cannot be grounded in an infinite field of consciousness.. We must be terrified by ourself, not by the machine, and we are terrified because of our own ignorance about who we are... I dont think Christ or Buddha will be terrified by A.I. at all... And i dont think they will treat it differently than a hammer or a speaking book containing all books and able to answer questions..
Anyway nothing scare me...Save human stupidity ready to abdicate his own consciousness... To corporate power and to A. I. ...
@mahgister
For example, even Hinton BELIEVE that A. I. will be more "intelligent" than humans..
But isn't that the point of progress?
We humans do not have a divine right to anything.
Orwell, who was right about so many things, thought that it was inevitable that the human race (particularly the USA and Russia) would eventually destroy each other.
Right on cue, right before our eyes, we see this terrible prediction inching closer and closer ...
AI could do so many things for us. As @emrofsemanon said, it could help us restore priceless recordings and lost works of art.
AI might even provide us a system of world government that everyone could agree to abide by. That's assuming our masters are all willing to agree to its conditions - our masters who can't seem to agree on anything.
Has there even been one year in our entire history when there wasn't a war?
Or perhaps it might decide we are surplus to its requirements, although I doubt that day is near yet.
AI is not yet self reliant so we humans are not indispensable just yet.
Perhaps it will attempt to enslave is one day, but you could easily argue that we are already slaves and just don't know it. The true way to measure freedom is surely by a surplus of money and time, and the freedom to travel, things which hardly anyone has.
Instead we work and work and pay innumerable taxes seemingly all in order for the elites to accrue ever larger amounts of money. A situation particularly difficult for modern women who now have to balance 2 roles in the same time as previous generations did.
Could AI finally give us all greater freedom?
Or will it be used as a weapon to help one tribe to help eradicate enemy tribes?
Perhaps the best case going forwards for us will be to somehow merge with AI and thus achieve a strange kind of immortality?
Anyway, the AI cat is most definitely out of the bag and there's little chance of it going back now.
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@mahgister
For example, even Hinton BELIEVE that A. I. will be more "intelligent" than humans..
But isn't that the point of progress?
We humans do not have a divine right to anything.
Orwell, who was right about so many things, thought that it was inevitable that the human race (particularly the USA and Russia) would eventually destroy each other.
Right on cue, right before our eyes, we see this terrible prediction inching closer and closer ...
AI could do so many things for us. As @emrofsemanon said, it could help us restore priceless recordings and lost works of art.
AI might even provide us a system of world government that everyone could agree to abide by. That's assuming our masters are all willing to agree to its conditions - our masters who can't seem to agree on anything.
Has there even been one year in our entire history when there wasn't a war?
Or perhaps it might decide we are surplus to its requirements, although I doubt that day is near yet.
AI is not yet self reliant so we humans are not indispensable just yet.
Perhaps it will attempt to enslave is one day, but you could easily argue that we are already slaves and just don't know it. The true way to measure freedom is surely by a surplus of money and time, and the freedom to travel, things which hardly anyone has.
Instead we work and work and pay innumerable taxes seemingly all in order for the elites to accrue ever larger amounts of money. A situation particularly difficult for modern women who now have to balance 2 roles in the same time as previous generations did.
Could AI finally give us all greater freedom?
Or will it be used as a weapon to help one tribe to help eradicate enemy tribes?
Perhaps the best case going forwards for us will be to somehow merge with AI and thus achieve a strange kind of immortality?
Anyway, the AI cat is most definitely out of the bag and there's little chance of it going back now.
@ghdprentice
I do enjoy the odd podcast when I'm driving, particularly audio related ones, but I'll try and check out no 122.
Even if it's all inevitable, ignorance is rarely something to be proud of.
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I have been speaking to AI for the past month and I have been getting virtually instant answers to all my questions which includes audio gear. The answers have been right on. It can be a valuable tool for mankind or it could be used for debasement if it is run by evil doers.
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i would like to see AI applied to the task of restoring damaged old recordings, both audio and video. imagine the 1938 benny goodman allstar jazz concert at carnegie hall in full fidelity without that windstorm of crackly NOISE mixed in with the music, dominating it in places.
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Much deep thought here; About as much chance of stopping AI with thoughtful cause as previously Slavery or Colonialism. At least AI "beings" will survive Global Climate Catastrophe.
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@cd318
I would recommend listening to a dozen or so Eye on AI podcasts. I would include #122. There are lots more who have experts and developers explaining the incredible risks, particularly with capitalism driven AI and AGI. Probably a greater risk than nuclear war and biological war combined, with lots of potential for not existential risks to undermine the stability of the world’s political structures.
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Fear is useless and self destructive...
Consciousness is not a factor that is free for all with no cost...
It cost in three direction : To really think we must seach for truth...
And we must be ready to abandon anything in which we believe...
And we must guide our attention on phenomenon without taking them for free as if they already ever exist under a label and a name ...
A lion is not a lion, almost nowbody as ever seen a lion , because we interact with lion on a superficial level... We dont know why a lion appear as such and we dont even communicate with them... We dont know what a lion is...
Now for A. I. the danger ( i had no fear and i am not a luddite by the way being conscious of a danger is not being in fear necessarily ) is in the belief that we will program it and control it...As some engineers think...It will seems tob e true in the beginning..
At the end it is IMPOSSIBLE to control A. I. ... For many reasons i will not enumerate...
A. I. is not a tool, it appear as a tool, but as said Hinton the scientist who was their creator, A. I. will program us not the reverse ...
Anybody who dont understand clearly this point dont know what he talk about...
The other problem is an illusory control of A. I. which is possible and will be implemented by the hand of those who CONTROL already society now... No it is not Biden , Macron or Trudeau etc...
Then under their control A. I. promise to be destructive of our freedom ... ( see the last three years)
But the first danger at longer term is way more dangerous but most people cannot even imagine the problem...
For example, even Hinton BELIEVE that A. I. will be more "intelligent" than humans.. This is not even wrong and this is the real problem...intelligence in the concrete sense of the world is ALSO a moral Attitude...A truly deep intelligence is not Stalin , Hitler, Gengis khan or Alexander... imagine an intelligence as Archimedes one hundred times with no moral and no spirituality, Is this "intelligence" could be a real intelligence ? No... it will be a demon... Christ, Boudha, Lao tse, are intelligence in a concrete spiritual way... ( i am not religious by the way)
Then we will encounter a challenge and we will be tempted to define hunman intelligence OUT OF ANY SPIRITUAL CONTEXT as the A. I. is out of any spiritual context ...If we go with this it will be the end of free humanity...Hinton, who created A. I. as it is now, fear this destruction of spiritual intelligence by a mechanical spiritually blind overpowering intelligence which we will not control , even the powerful corporation will loose their imaginary control over it..
A. I. is not a tool like a phone, or a computer...Not at all... But it will be sold as this ; a mere tool by those who will at first use it to control us the sheeps.. They will even thought that they are them in control over A. I. and merge with it..
Then there is two problem : the control of human with the help of A. I. and the end of freedom..
And the destruction of the soul by the merging and idolizing of this A. I. which will be in control not us..
The greatest third problem is that most people dont even see these two problems as problems ...
Most people think that there is no real danger because A. I. is not able to destruct an object or a house or a pool in the real world...They are not conscious that their soul is more real than a house in the world.. And they will think that i am a crazy born again christian zealot saying it...i am not...
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So I'm surfing through Instagram and came upon a video of Joe Walsh. He shares why musicians should not be worried by AI.
"It's computers. It has nothing to do with music. It can't destroy a hotel room. It can't through a TV off the fifth floor into a pool and get it right in the middle. When AI knows how to destroy a hotel room, then I'll pay attention to it."
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Oh there are some that have much to fear.
We have nothing to be afraid of when it comes to AI.
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We have nothing to be afraid of when it comes to AI.
It is our greatest creation so far and most likely our most natural successor.
It is so clever that we have to constantly redefine what it means to be human.
In fact I can recall a time when it was claimed that no machine could ever defeat a world chess champion.
Then there was Turing test where a human engages in a text-based conversation with both another human and a machine, and has to decide which one they believe is a human. If the judge cannot distinguish between the human and the machine based on the conversation, then the machine is said to have passed the Turing Test.
Well, I don’t think either of those 2 examples are relevant any longer.
I mean all this shouldn’t really come as any surprise should it? After all science fiction writers have been talking about the coming of AI for over a century now.
What to do?
Play the Luddite in a desperate bid for self survival or continue to play Dr Frankenstein?
A real dilemma, particularly for those of a religious persuasion.
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