How 'bout some Ti to foil the AI ? 😏
Foiled again.....*sigh*
AI and the future of music
Last night’s 60 minutes featured a deep look at Google’s new AI program BARD. Frightening, yet compelling.
It got me thinking, if their AI has already read everything on the internet, and can create verse, stories, etc in seconds…What could it do for music?
‘Hey , BARD create a new Beatles like song from the Rubber Soul era, but have Paul Rodgers and Jack Bruce singing”.
“Hey BARD, create a song that will melt the heart of my new girlfriend”.
your ideas?
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The reason why i think A. I. could be and will be useful in music is about acoustic and psycho-acoustic analysis and controls... Nothing else... I am not interested by music generated by A. I. and played by A. I. at all... Why ? Because when i listen music the "imperfect" interpretating playing of a musician matter as much as the written piece, and no A. I. can interpret Scriabin without beeing able to FEEL him and his music... It is the same thing in Jazz... or as with Nikhil Banerjhee playing a raga on his sitar... Forget it... A. I. music will be to music as cartoon books compared to Shakespeare.. Apart Acoustic control A. I. will be escalator perfect music on par with Bach... 😊Thats all...but A. I. will shine and help in acoustic factors controls...
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Ah, friend @mahgister .... It could....and likely, may be...worse....
From Joe's Garage. Acts I, II, & III. Frank Zappa....of course... A glimmer of hope, tho'... Blows against the empire BY the empire... ;) A self eating tale....*L* | |
Listen this interview relatively short with Josuah Bengio... One of the leading A. I. designer... With Hinton and Le Cun and others.. He is right in my book... He does not adress the spiritual danger i spoke about but almost nobody does save seers and very intuitive people... Only the material danger... Nevermind he is not sleepwalking dude whith the song which play first a the music chart right now : " Nevermind stress and doom,any boom is progress! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RknkWgd6Ck
It is useless to be afraid, it is more useless to never think because it could introduce fears in us , we must think to stay conscious...There is no mechanical "on" "off" button on our body where it read : "Push this button and be conscious"...
«Thinking is like walking the dog in our head, we go out of our usual way and stay away from crowdy roads»--Groucho Marx 🤓
As a side note: the only point i differ with Bengio is when he says there is no Ghost in the machine as there is no ghost in your head... I believe because i sense it that my brain is a filter not the cause of my consciousness, then any machine can be the house for a ghost; think about it that way metaphorically speaking, the machine is discrete as atoms are but the ghost is wavelike... Science is right but animist sorcerer are right too... Superstitions as useless beliefs inhabit science as religions ... Any other way of thinking is less arrogance than ignorance... Consciousness exist in a way no material object can... Read this physicist for an easy glimpse about this deep matter : Wolfgang Smith : The vertical causation or his other book the Quantum enigma... He distinguishes phenomenal reality from physical measured reality, as Wolgang Pauli did when working with Carl Gustav Jung...
«Sorry , my wife is a machine with no ghost inside »-- Groucho Marx 🤓 | |
Some might say that it's just another example of mankind's elevated sense of self importance to even begin to think of resisting AI, nevermind still feeling superior in some mysterious way. If the entire purpose of existence was to attempt to attain some godlike level of thought, then AI could be our shortcut. We just need to find some way to safely fit those AI chips into our brains. Who can guess the number of realms of ecstasy that might await us there? At the very least, each one of us could attain a previously undreamt level of genius. In the last 25 years chess engines have not only passed any previous level attained by any human but they getting better at a faster rate than we are. It would appear to be true that we have been guilty of overestimating the human mind and its intelligence and those particular chickens will soon be coming home to roost. Perhaps the invention of the pocket calculator was only the thin edge of the wedge? We gave them an inch and they took everything. "The future's coming fast and we can't run from it." as Billy Bragg once warned. | |
True genius is not mere intelligence... A fox like Bill Gates the richest man on earth who screw us all in the last three years is not Buddha... Beating humans on any game and recitating all knowledge of the world is not genius... When Ramanujan discovered the thousands of mathematical formulas that nobody ever think about, and which revolutionize mathematics, because they were towering complexities, with NO DEMONSTRATION about their truth for any of them , Hardy and Littlewood ask him how in the world he could even imagine as true so complex formulas ? He answered, Namagiri the knowledge goddess taught him about them each night... And he was speaking only truths in his life nor sarcasms or poetical claims by the way... At the times Hardy and Littlewood were the best mathematicians in the world with few others and they concluded their life works writing that there were only dwarves compared to this Indian Man who was treated in 1914 as an inferior human being from an uncivilized world by most people in England... 😊 He died at 32 years old.. Read his biography...
The goal of life is not being more intelligent , it is being more spiritual and moral being then more CONSCIOUS... Why ? Because all knowledge is ALREADY there but cannot be access by beast...It is the universal informative/formative field whose shadow is number theory itself and geometry .. I believe myself only in number theory and in the source... The only ONE intelligent and conscious is the Source...Call it God ... Then A. I. is a tool which is a trap for those of us who dont understand who they really are to begin with...
«Intelligence is way overevaluated»--Groucho Marx 🤓
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I had a good friend who was an engineer for one of the commerical radio stations in S.F. He operated a pirate station for a couple years off and on, broadcasting from his home in the Richmond district, where I also lived. We hung out in the same coffee shop and got to talking, and we both had telescopes of fairly good calibre (mine is a 6" russian Mak-Newt). So we did a couple of viewing events at his place. Anyway in the coffee shop one day, talking about astronomy and chances of life in the Universe, he stated there were definitely aliens. He said they were already on the planet. I asked which cities, he said all major cities. I asked if S.F.? He said yes. I asked where are they. He said amongst us. I asked: in this coffee shop right now? He said yes. That’s when I started wearing my aluminum foil hat and underpants to bed every night, and I haven’t had a port probe since!
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In the temple Of eleusis where those who wanted to experiment truth were put under a heavy veil of privation for all their senses, those so prepared died for a moment and were revived and tell their tale... In all hospitals around the world since the Book of Raymond Moody the same revival take place in a perfectly controlled medical environment... Then i guess you are right... Behind the veil no A. I. pass the Turing test... In contact with the universal informative/formative field of the ONE consciousness, no machine can imitate intelligence no more...
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The Writers Guild of America with its 11,500 members went on strike at the start of May. One of their demands was that the use of AI would be limited in the future for screenwriting purposes. As an outsider it's difficult to see how they can get the other party, the Alliance of Motion Pictures and Television Producers, to agree to this. Anyway, it should be interesting to see how this eventually pans out. In any case, if they were going to do this, then obviously the sooner they did, the better their chances of getting some concessions. The increasing use of AI is certainly a hot topic right now. | |
You are not a sleepwalker bolong ... 😊 You are completely right... It is why people think A. I. is a MERE tool...Thats all...
A great book about this is "the Master and his emissary" by Iain Mc Gilchrist,... It is the shorter version of his last 1,500 pages book... It is a neuroscientist... He studied the way the attention work in the brain... In simplistic term you have one half of us who live in a map not on the terrain.. Living in the map we reduce the terrain to details we wrote in the new maps without being conscious of the whole terrain out of the map... We sleepwalk as robot in their map... It is a caricature of his main point about the two modalities of the conscious/subconscious/unconscious attention working...One modality is centered on details and their abstraction , the other look at the periphery and on details as part of the whole out of any possible map... In sleepwalking mode, even very intelligent people , see the A. I. as a mere tool and see those who see more are against progress...Luddite so to speak... They are unable to get the point we spoke about... The spiritual problem is invisible for them... See the debate between Josuah Bengio and Yann Le Cun ... 2 very smart A. I. designers one listening his non mechanical intuition and the other not at all... It would be comical like a Laurel- Hardy movie, but it is a tragedy in the making...
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"Men jail themselves in a cell which is perfectly measured and described in their maps, but there is no borders nor any cell in the real world."
Unfortunately that is a biological necessity of survival. However, unless you're literally fighting for your survival every hour every day there's no good reason to confine yourself to any cell smaller than your personal requirements for survival insist upon. | |
Well, it’s not like anyone has a time machine and can go back in time to kill the person who was inventing the Hurdy-Gurdy. Or the “Jews Harp.” MAN those are annoying… Reminds me of a story about Keith Jarrett’s air of superiority about not using a “synthesizer” as it was beneath his dignity as a REAL musician. Harpsichord makers wept. Fact is, AI’s can, do and will create music insofar as we have a functional anthropocentric definition of the verb “to create” and some bigots will forever exclude anyone or anything’s contribution to music if that entity doesn’t meet certain specific criteria in THEIR minuscule excuses for a mind. Change is a funny thing. Evolution is a funny thing. Creation too is “funny” whether that’s funny ha-ha or funny OMG! is up to the listener/consumer. Oh, I know, let’s pass a LAW that ONLY human-created music is MUSIC and can be copyrighted and money earned therefrom. buggy whip makers wept when Henry Ford’s Model T’s began rolling off assembly lines. It was much too late for protectionism. Should we still have horse/buggies instead of ICE automobiles? FWIW. Chatter among yourselves. | |
You judge people very harshly and very rapidly... I own a computer and i am not a Amish... But you completely dont understand what is at stake... You think that A. I. is like a can opener or a computer... And you think that music is a set of organized sounds , nevermind the spirit behind... I will not repeat all my posts here... If you qualify me as a "bigot" who use prejudice as an "excuse for a mind" ; you are the perfect sleepwalker, and you dont even know what is "progress", and it is not technologically related AT ALL...If you think so then you are like the Spaniards killing Indians and aztecs as sub humans because they were technologically inferior ... Progress is only MORAL...After this murders century with machine progress we learned this... And what is at stake here with A. I. the scientist who created the neural networks mathematical design , Geoffrey Hinton himself , think the same as those you called "luddites" or "bigots"...In a word , our sleepwalking corporate controlled society is not ready for this "tool" which is not a tool at all... And no, Beethoven and Scriabin cannot be replaced by machines , guess why in your "vast" progressive mind ? It is because their musical choices were not only inspired by the past set of sounds but they were ethical choices , expressed VALUES, no machine can emulate...Beethoven is not musak ascensor music... Science cannot decide for us about values and freedom.. But believe me, the day A. C. will come , artificial conscuiousness , and it will be sooner than later, way over A. I. , you will begin to understand WHY A. I. is not a mere tool and why applauding for the progress is to be sleeping ... And you will begin to understand what a "soul" is... The soul is connected and grounded in a universal infinite information field... A. C. cannot be grounded in an infinite field as all living interconned entities from primitive cell to over humans... The mathematics behind A. C. is already here... It is way over neural network maths... But it is grounded in a finite number of primes... Read the Book : Nanobrains by anirban... You see , i am a very informed "luddite"... Perhaps you are a "retarded" transhumanists ? 😊 This article will explain to you why there must be an "information field" :
https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1693250&dswid=7460 And this video will explain to you the relation of this information field with time itself : Alain Connes the music of shapes on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z52ZAPrRbqE&t=521s After that you will begin to undeerstand why we cannot replace life by machine, even by " artificially conscious machines"... And yes intelligence and consciousness dont coincide at all and A.C. is and will be captive of this material universe with "no soul" or no spiritual connection to the universal informative field... I call it the "source" some call it God... It is the same... Then creating A.C. would be a great spiritual burden... The movie "Blade Runner" is no more impossible science fiction...
it is not necessary to thank me... 😊
"Only men can create hell " -- A children of Faust
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The 60 Minutes segment on Google's new AI program BARD was truly thought-provoking. The capabilities showcased are both astonishing and a bit unsettling. Considering its ability to generate content across various domains, the potential impact on music is intriguing. Imagine the fusion of AI with the essence of legendary eras, like the Beatles from the Rubber Soul era. It could revolutionize music creation, blending the familiar with the novel. And as for crafting personalized, heartfelt songs, having AI assist in capturing emotions could be an innovative way to convey feelings. However, the challenge lies in maintaining the authenticity and human touch that music brings. It's an exciting prospect, but striking the right balance will be crucial. It's interesting to have music, and the choice for an apk app about online music. |