I’ve heard only good things about the sopra 2.
~$15K floorstanders: opinions sought
There a chance I'll be able to make a significant investment in my speakers within a few months, and jump from $4K/pr Focal 926 to something in the 10-15K range. I'm running krell gear and have no intention of changing electronics, they are perfectly suited to my ears - - but if new speakers expose weaknesses, then I'll tackle that later.
Here's the thing: aesthetics matter to me, a lot, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I love my art and home and music is a huge part of my lifetime joy. These are some of the brands /models that I personally think are beautiful, and I'd love to hear from folks who could speak to a possible pairing with Krell. I like precision, speed, clarity, and firm bottom.
Room is approx 18x20x9. New or used is ok.
Von Schweikert Endeavor SE
Vienna Acoustics Klimt The Music
Magico S3
JBL Synthesis (4700, 9900, etc.)
Spatial (loved the demos I heard but not sure if OB would work in my space)
Appreciate any insight, despite the aesthetic emphasis.
Here's the thing: aesthetics matter to me, a lot, and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I love my art and home and music is a huge part of my lifetime joy. These are some of the brands /models that I personally think are beautiful, and I'd love to hear from folks who could speak to a possible pairing with Krell. I like precision, speed, clarity, and firm bottom.
Room is approx 18x20x9. New or used is ok.
Von Schweikert Endeavor SE
Vienna Acoustics Klimt The Music
Magico S3
JBL Synthesis (4700, 9900, etc.)
Spatial (loved the demos I heard but not sure if OB would work in my space)
Appreciate any insight, despite the aesthetic emphasis.
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bump, Any progress? What I have been doing is checking resale prices here and buying speakers I can spend some time with without worrying about losing my shorts reselling them. I bought the salon 2 used for $11k and resold them for same, all I was out was the gasoline and time picking them up. I can say the same for several other pair and it really helps to have them home where time isn't against you when deciding. The way I see it If I want the speaker new I can still resell the used model I decide on and order thew new model in the finish I like. |
I like both the looks and sound of Boenicke speakers. I think it W8 is below $15k, even the W8SE. If you can find a used speaker you might get a W11 or W11SE. The W11SE+ is said to be even better but more expensive and newer which means it is probably hard to find used. http://hifiknights.com/reviews/speakers/boenicke-audio-w11-se/ |
You do not mention anything about the type of sound you are looking for. Like filed coil speaker sound, open baffle, horns, etc. it comes down to preference not ours. If you are more specific on your experiences and what you like then there is a starting point. DynamiKKs are German made speakers that to me have a horn sound, details/clarity, deep bass, very open and airy, easy to drive, the company makes their own drivers. Happy Listening. |
I listened to a speaker with as plasma tweeter and walked away thinking, just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be done. That was a few years ago and they might be improved now. Again VA 'the musik' Kef 'blade' meridian 'dsp 8000' Dutch&Dutch Kii 3 paradigm 'persona 7f' usher 'be20 dmd' In no specific order and obviously at this price component matching with the passive models will determine results |
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lisa1jaj-lansche-audio-lansche-plasma-4-1-full-range You can consider used Lansche 4.1 I had lived with the speaker since 2007, but I have nothing to do with linked listing. It gives the pristine treble out of plasma tweeter. Eva Cassiidy’s voice sound spooky. With two active 10 inch drivers, it can go down to 20 hz. It also looks gorgeous with excellent finish. Nice WAF. If you live in California, you may ask the seller to audition it. I may let you listen to my speaker if you are in Pacific Northwest. Thomas |
Hi dramatictenor, I'm leaning toward SF Olympica, Focal Sopra 2, Rockport or Von Schweikert. The SF and Rockport weren't really on my radar before I put out this call for help but I'm impressed by what I'm learning about both. I've heard the Sopra so I'm hoping to audition a few more brands in the days and weeks ahead. I typically move very slowly and then very quickly once I hear "It" that I'm looking for. I'm overwhelmed by the generosity of the folks here and so very grateful. |
You’ve been given a lot of options. To the point of being overwhelmed, I imagine. I’ll throw out two suggestions to add to the fray. 1. Coincident Total Victory V, $15,000 new - these rarely come on the used market; owners just do not part with them 2. Martin Logan ESL 13A ~$15,000 new - very revealing speakers; require a lot of space around them. Not for everyone. If you have to position your speakers in a corner, these aren’t for you. - ML’s are demanding - they can draw down to 1Ω so they require an amp that can drive them (you are OK here) I have the Martin Logan Spires ($10,000 when new) so I obviously like the sound of the hybrid electrostatic. I play in an orchestra and I find the ML’s most closely resemble what I hear when I’m performing. Good hunting! |
The Legacy speakers look great in person, not so much in photos. So I do suggest checking them out in person. I own the Signature SE. The Endeavor MK2 was my second choice when I was speaker shopping, I'm sure the Endeavor SE is very good. Other aesthetically pleasing speakers in that range: Proac D48R Monitor Audio Platinum PL300 MK2 Dali Epicon 8 Audio Physic Codex However, if aesthetics is the main thing, whatever Sonus Fabre fits the budget. They just look beautiful IMO. And they sound good enough. |
It would help to know about other considerations, such as room placement (in the corner, out in the middle of the room?), room size, etc. For corner placement, I like the Audio Note line (the specific model will depend on room size). I don't know what you would think about the looks of a plain box, but, they come with very nice wood veneers. Again for corner placement, the Gradient Revolution is another great sounding speaker. Out of the corners of the room, the best bargain in speakers in your price range come from Charney Audio. The look is a bit funky, but, you might like them. They are very efficient, so they might not be the best match for high-powered Krell amps, but, they are simply amazing. Given your preference for the sound of Spatial speakers, I think you might also like the sound of something from SoundKaos. I heard their Model 42 (narrow oval shape) and it was quite good, although it might be a little bit above your price range). Of models mentioned above, I like the ProAc D48R and Vandersteen Quattro. |
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I'm going to get a couple old metal garbage can lids, remember those? and march down the street banging them together shouting persona 7f next time paradigm runs the 20% sale. The Kef and Revel reference speakers I had were really tricky to power with end result me reselling because my amp didn't allow them to reach their potential. a couple brands I've been pleasantly surprised with because they actually sounded good when I brought them home were the Usher be20 dmd, very nice, but large and heavy, and now the persona 7f speakers that if you can find them used have gotten down to the $15k price. My wife thinks they're pretty and for all the people that say paradigms burn their ears off, haven't listened to the persona line yet. Reading the reviews of the Kef Blade if you have the room and right components sound like world beaters, the part that keeps me away is after spending all that coin on speakers they need to play nice with my existing components. |
By now, you might have got 50 or 60 recs. Let me add my 2 cents. I was recently in similar situation: started at 10K and moved unto 15K. I might have auditioned at least 15 speakers. Ultimately you have to audition what you buy. You will thank everybody who have recomended Aerial acoustics 7T. This is one the "best speakers not many have heard". I have upgraded my source to > 25K but never felt like changing speakers: they are just amazing sounding. Others to consider, assuming you will get some deals: B/W 802 D3, Dynaudio confidence 30, audiosolutions Figaro XL (very biggg).. Good luck. |
@wassaicwill, the JBL K2 S9900 is well above your budget (new or used) if you have a hardstop at 15k. But, if you can get your hands on a pair of their S4700s for under 15k, it should truly madly deeply rock your world. My younger sibling has these hooked up to some Luxman gear. It is Jebeesus Christ good. |
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I can’t speak to system synergy. Instead, here are speakers I have listened to, really enjoyed and that are attempting something aesthetically. Not all are to my visual taste but that is a highly subjective front. Some have been mentioned here. Pricing for some may imply a used purchase, which you noted you are open to. Kef Blade 2 Kef Reference 5 Aerial 7T Focal Kanta 3 Totem Element Metal v2 Totem Wind Design Piega Master Line Source 2 Have fun listening and I can’t wait to hear what you end up getting. I am in the for me slow period of saving for my next speakers. |
Given that you have Krell amplification which is brilliant but it is a hair forward of neutral, I find some of the suggestions hear fascinating. It sounds like you prefer a slightly forward sound profile, but some of these combos might end up being a bit fatiguing. If I were you, I would look at the Spendor D9s. I think they would be a brilliant match for your amplification and should meet your needs in terms of looks. It is a natural sounding speaker that I think would really come to life with your electronics. I don’t have them available for Demo but they should be easy enough to find. Another option that you will either love or hate is the Scansonic MB6 B. Sound is to die for but looks are not for everybody. I heard the side-by-side with the Magico S1s and they blew the Magicos out of the water. The MB5 B has broader appeal aesthetically. |
Focal Kanta sound amazing, however I just got a pair and the build quality is atrocious. went with a pair of black lacquer fronts and backs, terrible finish. Spent $10k USD for the pair and I could have sprayed the lacquer better myself. Also glue left in the front port tube. For a company that prides itself on its finishing - I was very disappointed |
(((choice would be Vandersteen 5A Carbon. You don’t see these used very often. There is one pair on Audiogon.))) Smart Move! Yes, but that pair just got sold this weekend I may know when the next pre-owned pair is available. Make sure you also hear a New Pair of Vandersteen Quatro CTs with custom tuning, it's also hard to find these used. ((Tomic,((((even your big amp will benefit w powered bass and the mains high passed ... eleven bands of analog EQ to fix the room...))) So true, Time aligned drivers leged design and your finished asking questions enjoying the music. Best, JohnnyR |